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The "belt" squeal I was hearing on my Bravada was in fact the RF Axle squeal that ficuss told me about. My dealer performed Bulletin Number: 141101 and all is well. While they had it, they also fixed my memory mirrors. No more alzheimers!
Thanks again for the info ficuss!
Frank
My build date is about 02/01, I believe, so there is a lot of time between mine and yours. I wonder how many failures there of non-Edmunds owners there have been.
You might want to get that fuel gauge checked out, LOL. Do you have the standard-length Envoy with 3.42 gears?
I'll share my experience driving an average of 75 MPH. With my Envoy XL (I6, 3.73 gears) and two passengers with luggage - 20 MPG. If I drive 55 MPH with two passengers and no luggage I get 22 MPG. I am very pleased with the fuel efficiency of this vehicle.
Do you have the standard-length Envoy with 3.42 gears?
I do. I thought the first reading was a fluke, thats why I waited for my second test. I will keep you posted but this seems to be for real. Does your XL have the v8, or do you have the same engine I do? Like I said before, driving this vehicle 30,000 miles a year, a swing from 15 mpg in the dead of winter to 28 mpg has a major impact on my wallet as you might imagine. As an aside, I am in the final run for a job which requires at least 40,000 miles a year of driving. I hope this mpg bump up is sustainable!
I must ask you, how can you lease if you drive 30,000 miles a year???
This big of a difference in your gaz mileage between winter and spring doesn't seem normal. We always get a few miles a gallon less in winter (specialy when it gets to -40C, winter tires, etc). But your example is quite extreme. I am wondering if something else may have been wrong with the truck. Did you do a tune up? Or something else? Did you change the tires from winter to all season? Did you change oil type?
Just curious
I will change my username to "4yearleasebutwithextendedwarrentyjustincaseigetoneoftheselemmons
That is very very funny. Having driven GM for years, I have had my share of lemons and can relate
He writes:
how can you lease if you drive 30,000 miles a year?
Easy, just buy your miles up front at inception. GMAC has one of the most generous high mileage lease programs around. On a 2 year lease you can buy up to 100,000 miles if you wanted it.
He writes: This big of a difference in your gaz mileage between winter and spring doesn't seem normal. We always get a few miles a gallon less in winter (specialy when it gets to -40C, winter tires, etc). But your example is quite extreme.
I agree with your observation. I have to track my miles for expense reasons, so consequently I keep tight track of my mileage. Trust me, it is what I say.
He writes:
Did you do a tune up? Or something else? Did you change the tires from winter to all season? Did you change oil type?
Nope,Nope,same OEM Michelin sneakers that came with it, dealer does the oil changes, clue less as to what they use.
On a personal note, wife and I love Canada. We vacation there twice a year. We want to spend winters in Victoria when we retire. Quebec, very nice, the ethnic polarization was the only detraction. We are spending a week in Ottawa in June and cant wait.
99-08-64-016A; replaces 99-08-64-016; Use of Silicone for Weatherstrip Maintenance; 2003 and Prior Passenger Cars and Trucks
I have the gas pedal vibrations from time to time esp. when going up a small incline at 40-55 mph speed with the engine laboring, but I discovered this by accident: I put in some 89 grade gas by accident 2 weeks ago, the engine sounds much quieter and I can hardly notice the vibrations now(though no improvements on mpg).
Other than the "poor" gas mileage and some wind noise on hiway, I think it is doing very well.
Because ALL gasoline sold in the USA has to meet certain EPA standards for injector clogging, vaporization, combustion chamber deposits etc with mandated additives. Of course some brands tout their specific additive package like Chevron with "Techron". I go to the cheapest high volume station close to me to ensure I get fresh gas, and not the dregs from the bottom of an old tank at a lower volume name-brand station.
16.2 city/ 22.4 Highway, 3.42 gears, 2WD TB after having the PCM recal. done one a month ago. Can't complain. Even performs better!
If you have the choice where you are located, avoid the gas diluted with 10% ethanol. Ethanol does not burn with the same amount of energy per gallon and will effect power and fuel mileage.
The other question is this. I have an 02 TB LS 4x4 and it has 24K miles. It is almost two years old. I haven't had a single problem with mine yet (knock on wood). I was wondering where on the internet I could find all the computer upgrades, recalls, and/or information on any service that needs to get done to the truck. Like I said, I don't have any problems but it is more for preventative measures.
If anyone wants to see my truck, its posted at "www.cardomain.com" In the trailblazer section mine is on the first page and says "Bert's TB. New K&N intake".
Make sure your repair orders document your specific concern VERY CONCISELY. It will help your lemon law case immensely if you can show the dealer has been unable to fix the exact same problem every time.
My '02 Envoy was great the first year, lots of power and a nice ride. Then it started to have a stalling problem, tried to get it fixed 6 times, and now GM is in the process of refunding my money.
Go to the web site below and enter in your VIN. You won't be able to tell what you have exactly but if yours has not had any updates done since manufactured, there are some worthwhile. I ran my VIN a couple of months after I bought my 11-01 built TB in 1-02, and printed out the data. Then about 2 months ago I ran the VIN again and found several updates that had been done to improve cold performance and shift, 1-2 shift, fan control, etc. I can say that after having mine done there are more tweaks than just those. Other things have improved as well like quicker overall trans shifting, up-or-down shifting, shifts back to 1st doing a rolling stop much quicker now is ready to go in 1st rather than being in-between gears, better low-end torque, snappier throttle response, runs a HECK of a lot better when cold. And gas mileage has gone up. Can't beat that!
http://calid.gm.com/vci/
I just want to make sure I didnt drain anything other than oil. They both looked like oil, but did I drain something I should not have with the plug that I facing left if your looking at it from underneath? It kinda seemed weird that there would be two plugs, but having 7 quarts may be the answer. Anyone else that has changed theirs, let me know. Im making sure before I decide to drive it, if I had drained something that I have to replace other than oil.\
Thanks
Ice
If not, you must have drained transfer case fluid.
Anyone on this board have that done??
Was wondering who is making the equipment, what it cost and if you can really feel the extra power.
Anyone know what it does for torque??
I have an article on tweaks to a Z-28. They added an K&N air filter, underdrive pulleys, and a Borla exhaust. They gained 10 h.p. as measured on a dyno. If the manufacturers could find 30 h.p. by changing the exhaust, they would.
GAM
Chevy dealer (service guy)in Golden, CO would not say if they were aware of the problem or not but would fix for $50.00 - I felt like I had just been breathed on by a Snake Oil Salesman (and this is a dealer I have bought 6 vehicles from in the last 15 years).
Frank
I also tried a Volant Cool Air Intake, this replaced the entire stock airbox and both resonators, and hooked-up right to the throttle body. The Volant seemed to flow well, but was very loud, whenever the throttle was opened, even a little. I sent it back, and reinstalled the gutted "stock" airbox and both resonators.
If I was to start over, I would go with a Borla Exhaust and an Airmax Cold Air Intake.
The best improvement I have made to my Trailblazer is changing to 18" AT Italia wheels and Pirelli Scorpion Zero Tires (same tires the new Porsche SUV uses). Now the ride is firmer, I have less lean in corners and it sticks to the road like glue!
Since then as well, the ignition switch went, which caused the tranny to stop working. And last MOnday, the tranny went again and now they are replacing the Transfer motor and Transfer case. I've already downloaded the lemon law papers for NY.
OTher then that, my wife and I love the truck. It's rides nice, I like the interior and how it's laid out. A little too much wind noise, but I can deal with it. Not much more then my 96 pathfinder. Sometimes I wish I splurged and got the Acure MDX.
While under the dash looking around for potentially abraided wires, I did notice the way the gas pedal and its sending unit are mounted to a 90° bracket and it does seem to have a sideways resonant vibration to it when tapped or bumped. On occasion I do feel the pedal vibrate under certain engine RPM and loads but it doesn't bother me - very minor. But it looks like to me anyway it wouldn't be all that difficult for the engineers to come up with a second brace to kill that vibration people complain about.
I ask If you drive on NEW YORK 90, do you stop in Veronia NY to get gas?
Nope, I don't buy gas from Indians. They sell without collecting sales tax or paying property tax which puts all the other busineses which has to out of business. Our spineless governor wont make them collect it like the supreme court said they had to.
I go Buffalo to Rochester and Rochester to Syracuse. I fill up right before I get on and the second I get off. I really am getting 26 to 28 MPG. Good luck to you and wave if you see a dark blue Envoy going by on the back of a flat bed, hey thats how I get the great mileage. Just kidding
The 02 TB is far more advanced technically than the 01 TB, but unfortunately it still has some basic design problems as well as some far more advanced design problems. I guess we'll soon have third generation design problems to deal with. Oh well. It will keep this forum going.
Frank
They found the wire pinched in between two sharp pieces of metal. On Star came in handy during the 6 month ownership of that POS.
I had a 2000 Blazer, a LS I believe was the designation. POS instead would have been much better "truth in advertising" frankly.
tidester, host
02-04-21-008 Shudder, Rocking Motion, Binding, Feels Like Vehicle is Stuck in 4WD (Crow Hop) When Turning at Low Speeds.
I had the TSB above applied to my '02 Bravada last Feb. and I haven't had the binding since.
Besides, who could ever be offended by something they saw or read on the internet of all places? If I had young kids, I would certainly let them read or see anything they wanted on the web. It's a safe place isn't it?
Frank
hondafreak (POSts 10914 and 10915)and elswhere.
Might want to check in to it and enforce membership rules and whatever else he is violating.
For those of you who haven't had any problems with your triplet, good luck. The triplets are smooth and powerful. Mine was problem-free for the first year. Hopefully subsequent years' models are improved enough to provide you many years of reliable transportation.
For those of you who aren't so lucky, here is some advice:
1. Make sure your problem is spelled out precisely in the repair order, each and every time.
2. If they can't fix it/can't reproduce it, keep taking it back. Especially if you think it's a safety-related problem. Again, follow #1 above and spell the problem out the same way, over and over again.
3. Have your service advisor get the shop foreman involved if this is your 2nd or 3rd attempt.
4. Have the shop foreman get GM Technical Assistance Center involved. The men and women who built these trucks in Detroit might have a better clue, or at least seen more unsolvable cases like yours nationally than your local shop has.
5. By your 3rd attempt, your service advisor should be upgrading your free rental car, courtesy of the dealership. Ask for the Caddy DeVille.
6. Keep all your paperwork in one spot. Never throw any of the repair orders away.
7. Borrow a camcorder to video your problem, if it's something visible. But don't try to videotape and drive at the same time. It's difficult to do and dangerous unless you have a helper.
8. Don't bother with the GM Customer Assistance Center or BBB arbitration. That will only slow you down, it won't fix your problem, and you won't be satisfied. Hire a good lemon law attorney who gets paid by the manufacturer only if you win. Your attorney will decide if you have a solid, winnable case.
9. Be polite and professional through the whole ordeal. It's easy to lose it with the service advisor and shop foreman, but you want them to work WITH you instead of AGAINST you.
Steve, Host
tidester, host
tidester, host
99-08-64-016A; replaces 99-08-64-016; Use of Silicone for Weatherstrip Maintenance; 2003 and Prior Passenger Cars and Trucks "
Info - Use of SIlicone for Weatherstrip Maintenance #99-08-64-016A - (01/21/2003)
2003 and Prior Passenger Cars and Trucks
2003 HUMMER H2
This bulletin is being revised to add model years and update the Parts Information for Canada. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 99-08-64-016 (Section 08 - Body and Accessories).
In the past, questions have been raised regarding the proper care and maintenance of weatherstrips. The purpose of this bulletin is to clarify which materials are recommended for use when required.
Periodically, a thin coating of silicone grease can prolong the life of the weatherstrip. The silicone will reduce wear in the contact areas as well as reduce squeaking and sticking conditions. During very cold or damp weather, more frequent applications may be necessary.
PN# U.S.12345579 Goodwrench Dielectric Silicone Grease (or the equivalent)
PN# Canadian 00992887 Goodwrench Dielectric Silicone Grease (or the equivalent)
PN# U.S.3634770 Goodwrench Weatherstrip Lubricant (Krytox) (or the equivalent)
PN# Canadian 10953518 Goodwrench Weatherstrip Lubricant (Krytox) (or the equivalent)
The use of KRYTOX for coating weatherstrips is allowed, but not required.
They seem to restore a rich color to them and do not cause any sticking problems.
The thought of a grease product in an area where a person might inadvertantly touch does not seem like a good idea.
Any reason why my strategy is not sound??