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How did you get your vehicle into the dealer? Did you have to be towed, or were you able to reach down in there with something and press the release?
Thanks
Bobbies
Anyway,
sorry for the lack of info. I own a 2002 LT and it was towed to the dealership. I dont have a warrenty with it, at 42,000 ended at 36,000. I looked on this site prior to having it towed and saw some responses. I was unable to check the selonid, but did check the wires near the shifter and everything was connected. I had someone check the brakelights to make sure they were working and they are. I could not use the orange override switch because I already had it taken out from the recall. No one, as of yet, had looked at it so I dont know what they will find or say they have found. I have to call in the morning and find out, getting ready for the deep pocket drill from the dealer. Other things, checked the tranny fluid and it was fine, pushed the car to see if it was torque lock, no good either. All I know is my wife parked the truck and then came back in 30 secs and it wouldnt coomu out of park.
The kit fits together very well, according to the muffler shop that did the install for $100.00 and an hour of their time. Installer was Al's Big Muffler and Brake in Centerville OH. If you elect to install the Boral system, be aware that there will be increased noise or drone in the cabin interior.
By the way, I have been away a while, so I will give an update:
My 02 TB LS 2WD is still the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned! 60K miles WITH NO OFF ROAD and the front end makes enough noise going around right turns that the neighbors all stare. Already replaced tie rod ends at 50K.
Took our '02 TB LTZ 4WD out of town for the Holiday weekend. I-6, w/ 3.73 rear end). Two adults, two kids, one dog, not packed *real* full. A/C on the whole way home. 38 psi in fronts. 36 psi in rears. Strong winds, but blowing at about our 4:00 position, so probably helped some. Averaged 23.5 mpg for the 240 mile trip, cruising about 4-5 mph over the limit. Absolutely thrilled!!
Purchased new in Jan '02. Several recalls, and a few very minor warranty items that I've had addressed while in for scheduled oil changes. Otherwise, no problems in 2+ years. I love my TB.
BTW: the kids shared a 7" portable DVD player we had sitting on the center console.
You should know that this is a silky smooth engine and if it vibrates, or shudders at all at idle, then there is something wrong (which could be contributin to the poor mileage)
Allen
What does this mean?
When towing my 4000# trailer, mine doesn't like to upshift until it revs up to an insanely high rpm, and even then I sometimes have to really baby the throttle to get it to upshift at all. If not, it will just hang in second gear at 4000-4500 rpm all day long on level ground. Frustrating...
Dean
I'll be calling Chevy to share my joy of having to pay for something that broke only after 2 years. It was a Shift interlock that had to be replaced, the price for the piece was $170, but they charged 3 hours for labor, 3 hours????? Well thats what the book says, so they charge by the book, but come on 3 hours!.
Anyway, I love my truck and havent had many problems with it, but it shouldnt be breaking like this. Chevy will be getting an ear full!
Chris
And this info off of GM's website concerning the GM oil life monitoring system...
"Customers don't have to worry about deciding when the best time is to change their engine oil because our Oil Life System technology adapts to their driving conditions and habits, and determines the right interval," said Peter Lord, executive director, GM Service Operations. "Since the new maintenance schedule is based on oil change intervals determined by this technology, customers can save time and cost."
System offers significant benefits
First introduced in 1988, the GM Oil Life System (GMOLS) is a computer-based algorithm that determines when to change the oil and filter based on engine operating conditions. The system enables owners to maximize the performance of their vehicle engine oil by sensing engine speed and temperature. There is no actual oil condition sensor. Rather, the computer continuously monitors engine-operating conditions to determine when to change the oil.
With the GMOLS, consumers have an accurate and reliable way to monitor engine oil life. When the system notifies the owner that it is time for an oil change, consumers can go to their nearest GM Goodwrench dealer and a technician will change the oil and filter, properly recycle the old oil, then reset the vehicle's oil life system. Overall operating costs for the customer will be lower, because they only have to change the oil when needed, and they can be reassured that their engine is always running with good oil, improving the long term performance and reliability of their GM vehicle.
Use of the GMOLS will often double or even triple the oil change interval for a typical vehicle when compared to the commonly recommended 3,000-mile oil change.
The GMOLS will automatically adjust the oil change interval based on engine characteristics, driving habits and the climate in which the vehicle is operated. For instance, mild highway driving in a warm climate will maximize the interval between oil changes. Depending on the vehicle, this could be in excess of 7,000 miles and as high as 12,000 miles. On the other hand, short-trip driving in a cold climate may limit the oil change to 3,000 miles or less. In general, most people that drive a combination of city and highway find that the GMOLS will indicate an oil change every 5,000 to 6,000 miles. GM data shows the OLS extends oil change intervals without risk to the engine.
The GMOLS can offer significant benefits to the environment by reducing unnecessary use of oil. GM has built more than 20 million vehicles to date with the GMOLS. In the next five years, as the GMOLS is used as intended — oil changes performed only when necessary — hundreds of millions of gallons of oil will be saved.
The GM Oil Life System is available on all light-duty North American GM cars except for some models of Buick Park Avenue and Le Sabre, Pontiac Bonneville and Sunfire/Sunbird, Chevrolet Tracker, Cavalier and Malibu, S10/Sonoma trucks, Astro/Safari Vans, and the Pontiac Vibe. For more information about the GM Oil Life System, visit www.gmability.com.
With more than 7,000 participating dealerships, the GM Goodwrench network is the largest automotive service chain in the industry. Its technicians receive specialized training from General Motors to provide expert care for GM cars and trucks. For more information, visit the GM Goodwrench web site at Goodwrench.com.
Actually I wrote that badly. I meant to say my city mileage is atrocious at 12 when I get almost that good towing my 5000# trailer/track car combo.
Sorry for the misconception. I'm very happy with my towing mileage. My old '02 short wheelbase TB got about the same mileage, but the '03 EXT V8 tows much smoother and has a bigger gas tank (25 gallons).
My tranny problem is from a 'rollling stop'. When sitting in traffic and I come almost to a stop then get back into the throttle, it feels like I have a bad U-joint. Stealer says they all do that, but did "pack the yoke" to alleviate the clunk. Total BS but at least it is documented on my trouble sheet. I don't notice it too much when towing because of trailer brakes and the load.
Right now we get a slight whine that I haven't been able to get rid of. All ground is common to a single location. Even put in a ground isolation loop. I suspect the wireless FM modulator. I will probably go to a wired modulator to see if that situation improves.
> for performance. Lyndon Westers of Westers Garage has produced some great results on other GM vehicles both cars and trucks. I have
been bugging him for months for a tune for the TrailBlazer and
Envoy I-6 4.2L engine. He is tired of hearing from me, and also
several other owners have inquired. He is ready to do something for
the I-6 engine. What he needs is a vehicle he can work with to
develop and finalize the tune.
I also noted a slight downward fluctuation in the rpm meter when the humming starts. This is very slight, but seems noticeable each time. I had test-driven an '02 TB that had much more pronounced humming and vibration. When the dealer replaced the tires, the vibration almost stopped, but the hum was still there. I test-drove an '03 and there was no hum.
My question is this -- for you, Bert, and anyone else who experiences this problem: When did you first notice the humming? Was it present the first time you held your speed at 60? Or did it develop over time. If I am able to return this vehicle and get another one that does NOT hum, is it just a matter of time before that new vehicle starts its harmonics?
Thanks.
I'll be calling Chevy to share my joy of having to pay for something that broke only after 2 years. It was a Shift interlock that had to be replaced, the price for the piece was $170, but they charged 3 hours for labor, 3 hours????? Well thats what the book says, so they charge by the book, but come on 3 hours!.
If your vehicle was only 2 years old, why was this not covered under warranty, or were you already over-mileage on your warranty miles? Even if you're over on mileage, I agree that I'd let GM know your dissatisfaction. Sometime they will do the honorable thing rather than go strictly by the mileage. But based on what you've said, I don't understand why this was not repaired under warranty. Did they tell you why?
As for charging labor "by the book", I agree that is a real ripoff. Not long ago, on an older car, I decided to put a new O2 sensor. I changed my mind and decided to let my mechanic put it on during my state inspection. I furnished the part, and figured he might charge $15-20 for putting it on, or maybe even nothing since I take all 3 cars there. Well, it took 5 minutes to unbolt the old one and bolt in the new one and hook up the wire, and he charged it on his computer-based billing "by the book"-- installation of O2 sensor, one hour of labor @ $70. I learned a lot from that experience. I would bet, however, that if there was a procedure that took them longer than "the book", that they would find a way to code the extra time.
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General Motors will recall about 636,000 2002 and 2003 midsize SUVs. Some of the following vehicles will be recalled:
Some 2002 and 2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer and TrailBlazer EXT
Some 2002 and 2003 GMC Envoy and Envoy XL
Some 2002 and 2003 Oldsmobile Bravadas
Some 2002 Isuzu Ascenders
Owners will be notified beginning in the third quarter of 2004. Dealers will cover a vent hole in the windshield wiper module with a patch. The wiper motor, circuit board, and electrical connector will be inspected for signs of water intrusion and/or corrosion and be replaced as required.
In some vehicles, water can enter the wiper module, causing a short circuit or corrosion of the components within the module. As a result, there have been reports of the wipers not working properly. Owners should have their vehicles checked and serviced if they are experiencing windshield wiper problems. GM says that most owners will probably not experience any wiper problems, and should wait for the recall notification letter before bringing in their vehicles.
There going to fix a potential problem with a patch? Duct tape maybe?
Seems like the entire unit should be replaced. I'm gonna be pi$$ed if at 60K mine with a patch goes out and I'm handed a bill.
I had to have my drive shaft balanced twice because the first one didn't do it right. See my previous post (#13862) on this subject for specs it should meet. The first 'balancing' changed my vibration so I knew we were on the right track. I asked my dealer to have it done again by a different shop. I took it to a guy who balances drive shafts for race cars. He was great - and he showed me my drive shaft on the balancing machine and how far out of spec it was from the first guy. I realized that this type of work is an art - they heat up the drive shaft with a (welding?) torch in certain spots then cool it quickly to make it warp back into position. Then they spin it on a spindle and measure the runout and balance, and do it again until it's good. So, if you're still vibrating, try again - and get them to show you the readings before they say they're done.
PS - regarding prior comments about torque convertor - one way my dealer ruled out the TC is when the vibration occurs, press gently on the brake pedal while driving. This disengages the TC and for me the noise stopped while the TC was not engaged. This helped us to zero in on the drive shaft as the problem. I had my springs replaced and it had no impact on my vibration. The drive shaft balancing fixed my problem.
There going to fix a potential problem with a patch? Duct tape maybe?
Sounds fine to me. A simple problem warrants a simple solution. In fact, duct tape was originally called "duck tape" because it was waterproof.
They did say that they'd replace the wiper module if there's any corrosion.
Incidentally, during my original pursuit of a solution the dealer let me drive 3 other new trailblazers on the lot (you know the drill - it's a normal characteristic of the vehicle) he was right about that...they ALL had the problem. See prior comments about Three Rivers Plant drive shaft quality...
The only problem I have is that they want me to pay for this.
I have 16,300 miles on the Envoy. Root cause was a problem at the factory. I am not happy. I will be going to another dealer.
You may want to open your rear window glass and check out your bracket and bolts.
I know the wiper bulletin says they will inspect the motor and circuit board for signs of water intrusion, but how? I have an old wiper motor [non-permissible content removed]'y from a TB and the only way to really inspect it internally would be to remove the whole [non-permissible content removed]'y from the vehicle and take the motor-pcb cover off to look inside. Easier said than done, since the cover is sealed in place with tar! Once you break the tar seal it has to be cleaned off with solvent and resealed before the screws are put back in. Big mess too! Be easier to just replace the whole thing.
thing after a restart. Today however I noticed after a fresh start that the reading was not stable. It was close to accurate but was gaining and losing a few degrees every few minutes. After about 20 mins of that, it decided to read 50D for several minutes, and then back to something about 10D below the real temp of 87.
I have an appointment for 6/15 to have it looked at.
I haven't driven the truck since because of the beautiful motorcycle weather; but plan to this weekend.
Dean
C.B.
P.S. I prefer the ST1100 though.
Funny meeting you here! Mine's a 2002 EXT. I love mine too and it's been very good so far in the 45,000 miles we've accumulated.
Dean
P.S. I prefer the ST1100 also ;-)
Thanks