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Here is a post #3 from the Expeditions Problems chat. Maybe you should check out the site.
Smoking Expedition... by bodyman Dec 26, 2001 (10:53 pm)
Hi everyone. I will soon learn what my dealer has to say about the blue smoke that comes from my 2002 4.6 Eddie Bauer. It was noticed at around 250 miles. On initial start up in the mornings, I get a LARGE puff of blue (oil) smoke. It doesn't happen for the rest of the day, once the engine has some heat in it. When I dropped it off at the dealer today with 600 miles on it, the service manager told me he has seen others doing it, and it is "normal". I love the truck, but I will not keep a new vehicle that smokes when it is started. Can any of you offer any similar experiences, and what was done about it? I can't find any TSB material online that relates to this problem, nor have I seen it mentioned in the 500+ posts I just read. Thanks for your input.
Bumper about $400, and bumper guard about $400, parts only, no labor or re-finish included.
Thanks
Quite narrow minded of you to write a post like that about a '67 Galaxy and then an older Expedition when we are talking about new ones.
Can't wait to get my new '03 after GM buys back my LEMON Bravada. (I know, I know, an Oxymoron.)
I just couldn't resist.
Can we please put away the Ford Expedition cheerleader outfits?
I don't care if the Expedition is the most reliable vehicle ever. It's still too ugly, too heavy, and too sluggish.
Anyone has change oil light problem?? Please help.
Bulb replacement isnt too bad. It can be done without taking the grille out. I had to remove the airbox, but that was it. Was able to fit behind and get the hands in to replace and I have replaced a couple to date. Not the bulbls that came with it, but aftermarkets I probably touched when I thought I diddnt. Anyone know if a HID kit is available for the TB? 22K on my truck and STILL LOVE IT!
Info - GM Oil Life System - Resetting #02-00-90-001
GM Oil Life System™ -- Resetting
2002 Chevrolet, GMC S/T, Utility Models (TrailBlazer, Envoy,) and Olds Bravada
These vehicles have an oil life monitor. The GM Oil Life System™ will show when to change the engine oil and oil filter. The GM Oil Life System™ must be reset after changing the engine oil and oil filter.
Resetting Procedure
The current Owner's Manual contains the following reset procedure:
1. Turn the ignition to RUN with the engine off.
2. Fully press and release the accelerator pedal three times within five seconds. If the CHANGE ENG OIL light flashes for five seconds, the system is reset. If the light does not flash, repeat the procedure.
However, it has been found that after completing the reset procedure, the CHANGE ENG OIL light does not flash as stated in the vehicle Owner's Manual.
If the CHANGE ENG OIL light goes out after the reset procedure and does not return after the next ignition cycle, then the system has been reset.
If the vehicle is equipped with a Driver Information Center (DIC), then reset confirmation can also be done by verifying that the Engine Oil Life percentage value has reset to 100%.
Use the above information to prevent the inadvertent replacement of the instrument cluster if there are comments that the oil life reset feature does not work.
EXACTLY what my '88 S-10 4.3 V6 did when I 1st bought it new. Dealer had to install a valve stem seal kit to keep oil from leaking down the valve stems overnight. Used to blow a huge cloud of blue smoke at initial start-up in the mornings.
Now this morning, after being supposedly fixed, engine idle dropped down real low twice, almost stalling.
I'm wondering if running the heater, using the heated seats, and cranking the Bose is putting too much of a load on the electrical system. I also have ECAS, and notice a dip in idle or engine shutter when that kicks in.
Anyone else have this problem?
I've noticed this a couple of times on my Bravada when the compressor starts. Not nearly all the time (and the compressor runs fairly frequently), and I haven't discovered a pattern as to when it affects the engine speed.
Good luck with your Ford!
I could just as easily suspect you of being the president of GM.
I decided to get rid of the Envoy versus waiting for a long drwn out arbitration. The dealer did not want to cooperate with me or loan me another SUV. The dealer's story changed when a local newspaper reporter asked them about my GMC: Professional Grade Lemonade protest across the street from the lot.
The rear hatch was so bad that I could not even get me dog in the back. I had to break down the dog gate and take it out via the rear passenger door. Sure it's just a piece of plastic, but how many pieces of plastic are in an Envoy. How many were going to break in the future? How many times would the guages have to be replaced?
Screw the lemon law and arbitration rules! If I bought a new stove and the oven door didn't open all of the way, I would get an instant fix or a replacement. Why should a car or truck be any different!? (They cost a lot more than stoves too!) As for unloading the lemon on Carmax, they were made fully aware of the rear hatch problem and they can get a free replacement part when it is ready. Yes I took a hit on the trade and yes I'm slightly loaded. Taking a hit in my eyes is much better than dealing with a problematic truck.
GMC will settle with me, even if I end up taking them to court. No...I don't have the truck, but I have plenty of documentation.
You will however dump a significant amount of your "load" in legal costs in your attempt. You will also spend a lot more time and effort trying to get your money back than you would have in getting a minor problem fixed had you gone about it in the right way. (all just my opinion of course)
Did you ever consider just leaving your Envoy with the dealer until it was fixed? Or take it to a different dealer? Rent something in the meantime? It would have cost you less than what you lost in trade I'll bet. You also would have had a good case after 30 days or so if GM didn't fix it.
Just hitting 10,000 on my plastic Envoy - still no problems - all plastic holding up well. Maybe my lemon just isn't ripe yet. Has been a much better truck than my last 3 Ford Exploders. And no, I'm not anti Ford.
Best of luck on your Expedition. It is a big sucker. I considered one but the garage just isn't big enough.
Anyway, a filmclip is supposed to give you an idea of what a movie is about. It doesn't tell you the whole story, you have to wait through the whole movie to find out what happens. I think if you had given GM a chance, they would have fixed the door.
Happy New Year Everyone
Frank
On the other hand I've been lucky enough to spend nearly $500 on rental vehicles while the dealer has my [relatively] new $37,000 vehicle.
I guess the moral of my statements are: Those of you who haven't had the problems shouldn't judge the people who have and are fed up and/or have just given up on their vehicles. Most of us who have had the early '02 triplets have been here from the beginning and, while you may not see it, after a year and half of the same things, some major and some minor, it's quite clear that The General was not at all ready to release these vehicles to the buying public.
Other than a few exceptions, I haven't heard an out-pouring from those of us with major problems telling those of you who haven't to ditch your vehicles. I would say, in general terms, those of us who are eagerly waiting the time when we don't have OUR peices of junk are happy, even maybe a little jealous of you who have not had the problems.
I sure do miss my Bravada.
Steve, Host
The dealer would only give me a Chevy Caprice or the like as a rental. They outright refused to give me a loaner resembling anything close to an Envoy in size or ride.
Taking my Envoy to another dealer wouldn't help.
There is no part anywhere to correct this problem until GM releases it.
It's amazing that when I posted about my screwy gauges, none of you chimed in.
As to your Ford, more good luck. I had an Explorer I bought new that I later found out was wrecked at the factory, repaired and sold new. It had many problems, but I sold it after 3 years so I didn't take a big hit on depreciation (for a Ford anyways).
Happy new year to all!
GAM
We were driving to Hayward, California today, about 250 miles from home, to buy a new 2002 Camaro for me. I had a quote from the dealer from GM buypower, but it turned out to be useless.
We called the dealer on the way down to let him know we were on our way, and when I mentioned the price, he told me that it was including the rebate. This would mean that the asking price before rebate is $20,762, over $1300 ABOVE MSRP. I mentioned that I had a quote from a dealer for one with an MSRP that was $1,000 more that would actually be a couple thousand cheaper and he responded "I don't think so." He seemed to think that his price was great because "They don't make Camaros any more and they're in high demand."
We pulled over and I called the dealer direct and asked to speak to a manager. I was connected to the guys boss, who said that there was probably a misunderstanding, and that the price was $14,762, but that they don't say $14,762 because taxes are calculated on the original MSRP. He even gave me an out the door price of exactly $16,264.01, including all taxes, license, and fees. This price may seem extremely low, but the price we were originally given was slightly over Edmunds TMV. The sticker was $19,030, (it was a base model V6-the only option was a rear window defroster) and there was a $3000 rebate.
About 20 minutes later, my cell phone rang, and it was the sales guy. He told me that "it was inappropriate to call his boss when I'm dealing with him" He told me first that the price after rebate was $16,000, and then told me that he would give it to me for $15,762 after rebate, and if "I didn't like his low prices I shouldn't buy the car." I asked to speak with his boss again, and he said "I don't think that's a good idea, bye" and hung up on me.
This time we pulled into a rest stop about 100 miles from home, and my dad called the dealer direct again and asked to speak to the guys boss. She gave several prices, none of which were anywhere our original quoted price, which I discussed with him on the phone on Sunday. I think the last quote I heard her give was actually about $1000 higher than the original increased price we had been offered. She also said that "somebody had an appointment to buy the same car tomorrow" and asked if we wanted to pay more.
I hated this dealer so much by then that I didn't even want the car anymore, but we kept talking, trying to get their story straight. She said that the price we had was no longer valid. My dad then got the price quote we got from them that I had printed out, which said "Price valid until vehicle is sold." She then told us that it was sold, but we could still buy it for a higher price.
WE HAD A $500 DEPOSIT ON THE CAR, AND THEY RAISE THE PRICE.
We drove a total of about 250 miles today, and made over 30 minutes in long distance calls on our cell phone.
This WOULD HAVE been our third new GM this year, but I guess that doesn't matter much. Just stay away from Hayward Chevrolet in Hayward, California.
We already called GM, and they basically told us that quotes from the dealers made through gmbuypower.com are not binding on the dealer, so just a warning if anyone plans to travel a long distance to pick up a car that having it in writing doesn't actually mean anything.
I know this post is incredibly long, but this is by far the worst dealer I have ever encountered, and I want to let people know about it so they don't have a similar experience.
Frank
Chris
At a stop I was supposedly doing 85 MPH.
I had no idea how fast I was driving when the truck was in motion. The gas gauge went all the way past full to under the E. All of the gauges looked like clock hand in a cartoon, spinning around any which way they pleased. Professional Grade....yeah right!
I hope you can move on past this terrible thing that has happened to you with the GMC. Perhaps some couch time with a Professional will help you heel yourself.
We went out and bought a Ford F150 Super Crew. Not a single problem with it. We have also had ZERO troubles with our 2k Silverado truck that we bought one week after the purchase of the 2k Impala. We still own the Silverado, It's paid for, I gotta keep it!. LOL
Today the Auto show opens in Phoenix, AZ... we are going to look at new stuff.
I have been reading this board for several months now since we are looking at a GMC Envoy purchase perhaps this year.
Tony
And almost a year later, as one of about 300,000 Triplet owners, one of the BEST vehicles I have ever owned. Smooth, quiet, trouble-free, just one trip so far to a dealer for a simple 30 min recall fix for the fuel filter clip. I continue to be impressed by this First Generation vehicle from GM, that they got it as "right" as they did.
Did you rent because the dealer-offered loaner was not adequate for your needs, or did they not offer you a replacement? Don't all dealers have loaners? (Both of the local dealers from whom I have purchased in the last 5 years, Ford and Chevy/Olds, make a point of their policy of loaners for any warranty work on vehicles purchased from them).
We did have a hard copy printed out that had been emailed from the dealer to me, but they told us that they wouldn't honor the quote after we had already left home to buy the car. The email states the price, and that the price is valid until the vehicle is sold.
Sounds like something the Attorney General should hear about.
GAM
We love the ride,engine,comfort,features, and looks. Happy New Year
On the times when it did need to stay overnight (or the time it had to taken in on a flat bed truck after not starting) they did provide a loaner but it was only good for a Neon or Cavalier. I have two big problems with that: A. I don't pay my payment each month to drive around in a compact car and B. I wouldn't drive around in one of those death traps if you paid me. I feel like everyone is going to run over the top of me!!!
So, yes, I have upgraded at times but, as I learned after complaining enough, that shouldn't have been my dime.
A couple of weeks ago I took the Bravada in to have a bunch of things done. Since I now had all of the TSBs in hand for all of the things I had been complaining about since the very beginning they kept the car for a couple of days and paid for Buick Century rental. They order some parts and then I took it in on Monday of this week. They paid for my rental (which was a Trailblazer from Enterprise). I asked the service writer if all my letters and complaints had anything to do with it and he didn't know for sure but when he pulled up my VIN number the service note read "Customer to receive complimentary, like-vehicle (if available), alternate transportation on ALL warranty visits".
I guess it does pay to be the squeaky wheel.
Price was right. 56.99 shipped. mfperformance.com
This filter is supposed to be better than K&N. I just hope it filters the dirt out. Hard to notice any response in the two times I've driven it. I think it does have better throttle response. No noticeable sound difference.
I haven't tweaked the filter box just yet. Planning to review tlauro's site on how too.
So now, after seriously considering the Expedition for several weeks, I have decided on a Tahoe. In the end, I just couldn't stomach getting a Ford product. Although I loved the overall feel of the ride and driving the Expy, everything just looked so cheap in it!
Now I just have to find a 2WD Tahoe LT with StabiliTrak. That seems to be the hardest part.
-mike
mfullmer- Best of luck!
Normally, GMC will allow $30/day for an Enterprise rental, which will get you a Saturn or Focus, IF they have to keep the car overnight. This time, since this will be their third (and final?) attempt to fix the problem, they said I could get whatever I wanted. All the Trailblazers and Envoys were out, the Durango was dirty, and the Pathfinder was headed to the shop, so I had to settle for a Caddy DeVille. It is one smooth, powerful ride!
Happy New Year to everyone.