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Subaru Impreza WRX

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  • kostamojen2,
    I'd like to know how comfortable you felt in the '02 RS, how you liked the ride, were you able to listen to the stereo system, does it sound decent? Basically, can you give me specifics...

    Alex
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Viggens are wild. There were a couple at the joint Subaru Club of America's and Central Penn Saab Club's 2001 Covered Bridge Tour.

    Different price class, though. You could buy a WRX and have enough left over to buy an Impreza TS wagon for your wife.

    Plus, the Viggen has no AWD drivetrain losses, so it should have an advantage in a perfectly straight line. Not around curves, though.

    -juice
  • aceperoacepero Posts: 13
    How much are people paying to insure these Turbo charged cars....anyone give me a ballpark figure?
  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    Alex,

    I'm paying $936 a yr. with GEICO but ......
    Yeah there's always buts,
    1. My car is insured for business use.
    2. I have a clean driving record
    3. I'm a geezer
    4. I live in a rural part of Maryland

    Since you live in N.Y. I would anticipate your prem. to be higher.

    - hutch
  • to the guy who proposed getting rid of the lag with a boost controller...

    what boost controller does is lowers boost levels by opening a bypass valve so not to overspeed the turbo (long story made short: air goes faster than the speed of sound - bad things happen). this happens, obviosly, at high rpms, when the exhaust flow is huge. (saab has the knock sensor wired in there and things, but that's the basic reason for the boost controller)
    The only way to counter lag (without ALS) is a smaller turbo, which obviosly drops maximum boost and top hp. titanium core turbos (evo7) ofcourse help, but still not that great. late supra has2 sequential turbos : 1 small, 1 big - that helps, to an extent. throttle response is no bmw there, and the manufacturing costs would send the scubbie in the big bucks.
    Now what the Anti Lag System (bang-bang system) does is when you reapply the throttle, it leaves the exhaust valve open for a little bit, allowing the combustion mix go into the turbo and explode there. If you want to do a complete rebuild every ~150 miles...
    That's the reason why subaru makes the 2.5 RS - for people who want to drive in a relaxed manner.
    There's one more technology that could dramatically improve things with the turbo, but it's not here yet: saab's variable compression. a high pressure turbo engine would run high compression off-boost and the lower as the turbo spools up. street racer people would be happy of a 9.5 second car that doesn't stall at 1700 rpm
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Get both. Buy an RS and have Rallispec build up a turbo for you. Just budget time and money.

    -juice
  • corduroygtcorduroygt Posts: 19
    Since turbo's are small, they would not require a lot of power to spin. How about hooking the electric motor for the turbo to a (bigger) battery and let it do the work before 3000 rpms, aftewr which the motor gradually shuts off and leaves it place to the exhaust pressure to spin the turbo.
  • aceperoacepero Posts: 13
    What's the general consensus....are people generally obtaining WRX(s) at or below MSRP?
  • guipoguipo Posts: 1
    uhmmm....other than subaru, what oil filters work. either mobil 1 or acdelco ultraguard gold. if you know these part nums, please email me at mrguipo@hotmail.com
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru uses Purolator as their supplier, so you can surely get an equivalent Purolator filter.

    But dealers charge $5 or so, and it comes with a crush washer, so why bother.

    -juice
  • kostamojen2kostamojen2 Posts: 284
    The problem is that Subaru electronically limited the turbo in the WRX, creating an awkward boost curve. A boost controler is the the easiest (next to replacing the ECU with a custom job or getting a chip) way to get around most of that problem.

    And as long as you keep the psi low and in safe limits (below 15 with a MBC) you should not compromize the engine integrity or turbo.
  • kostamojen2kostamojen2 Posts: 284
    Before I get started, I have to say that the WRX and RS feel 99% identicle when it comes to everything but the engine.

    Well, the seats in the RS are fabulous, especially since there identicle to the WRX. The car rides super-smooth on the highway at high speeds but can be moved by wind gusts at 80+ (due to its high ground clearance for the most part, since people who have lowed the car have witnessed an extreme reduction in this) and at low speeds its nice and stiff and solid, but doesnt jar you, and when going over bouncies the car returns to a stable point quickly instead of over-bouncing (like all cars should). The only difference between the RS and WRX is really the rear sway bar, which I could tell needs to be bigger on the RS cause the rear end doesnt like to come out enough and the car has more understeer than the WRX's ive been in.

    The Sound system is ok, but dont get the upgraded speakers/subwoolfer cause its just a waste of money (and the sub is under the passanger seat, where it can be annoying)

    The tires are the same sucky RE92's, and need to be replaced IMO... Theyre good in the rain and snow though, but they squeel WAY to easily (and loudly)

    For real-life normal driving use, the RS has plenty of umph for everything from freeway merging to passing cars across the dotted lines. The only time I noticed any power problems was going uphill at high speeds trying to accelerate hard with the AC on, but this car is nice and turns the AC off for you temporarily until you stop accelerating.

    1rst gear can be annoying at low speeds, and down-shifting into 4th from 5th my cousin has to force the car sometimes...

    Anything more?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is that right? It turns the A/C off during hard acceleration? That's wild.

    -juice
  • aceperoacepero Posts: 13
    I am still undecided as to spend the extra $5-6,000 for the WRX, or go with the RS who most are saying is identical except for the clear difference in power.
    Any opinions on the subject?
  • aceperoacepero Posts: 13
    The RS comes with 165 hp. I've driven a Camry and a Wrangler for most of my driving. Can anyone give me an idea as to what it would feel like in comparison to those two cars?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The RS will probably be a little quicker than either of those. Maybe about the same if your Wrangler was a 4.0l with a 5 speed manual, or a V6/5 speed Camry.

    But the handling will be worlds better in the RS.

    The WRX would be a lot quicker.

    -juice
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    Juice, most new cars I've looked at have this feature - the compressor shuts off when the engine controller senses high engine loads. Even my fiancee's Focus has this feature... too bad it doesn't have much else going for it. We are starting to consider replacing the Focus with a 2.5RS - we are fed up with all of the problems.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wow, already? I thought those were still pretty new.

    -juice
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Posts: 1,339
    The Focus was new to the U.S. in 2000, but was in Europe before then. The number of quality issues many owners have is sad. The recalls were mostly nit-picky things, but the car seems to develop a new problem almost monthly. I'll never set foot on a Ford dealer's lot again - I've learned my lesson.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My previous car was a '91 Escort GT. I was shopping for a Protoge but got the same powertrain for less money in the Ford.

    It had problems too. Trim pieces fell off every once in a while, stuff like that. The A/C went twice, and the fuel guage never worked properly. The powertrain was OK, but the interior kept falling apart.

    It's too bad they still haven't figured out quality. The press likes how the Focus drives.

    -juice
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Posts: 640
    Even my 1994 Legacy Turbo Sedan has the "no airconditioner under load feature". I never knew exactly how it worked until today. Thanks Silver_Bullet. I just got back from a trip to Colorado, and I was reminded of a couple things that might influence the RS/WRX decision. We rented a 2001 Dodge Intrepid, which had the V6, and, IIRC, about 220 hp. That thing was a dog compared to my 1994 Turbo Legacy with its 160 hp. We lived at 10,000 feet when we lived in Colorado. I've heard various versions of these numbers, but most agree that you have lost 15% of your N/A car's power at Denver altitudes, and anywhere from 25-33% of your power at 10,000 feet and above (we spent a lot of time over 11,000 feet). I was reminded of all the times I would get incredulous looks from Maxima owners (222 hp), Jetta VRX owners (172 hp?), and many others you would think were out of my league, as I inched away from them on the hills at altitude. And they were at redline in 3rd or 4th gear, while I just kicked back in 5th gear. There's got to be a wear-and-tear incentive there also. Anyway, if you EVER find yourself at altitude, I'd say there's no question, buy the turbo or be disappointed. As long as I can afford them, I will buy turbocharged/supercharged cars. The only reason I haven't bought a WRX is I'm waiting to see if Subaru offers some variation of the B4 here in the states. And with the quality of my car, and only 78,000 miles, why rush anything? Just MHO.

    Jim
  • kostamojen2kostamojen2 Posts: 284
    The good thing about the RS is that you can always stick a turbo in it if you want :)

    But for me, If I could afford the WRX, i'd have that in a second...
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    I want a wagon. Would pause to think at least for a second if there was a RS wagon however.

    -Beanboy
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Jim: excellent point about turbos. With the excess "efficiency", if you will, it just uses the bleed off valve much less, and delivers the same output, while others lose major hp.

    Actually, a supercharger will NOT match a turbo at high altitudes, because it spins at a set speed, whereas a turbo can spin faster at higher altitudes to compensate for the thin air.

    The Outback Sport is pretty close to an RS wagon. Same engine, all you'd have to do is suspension mods. Heck, if you're going to swap springs and sways anyway, may as well start with a cheaper vehicle.

    -juice
  • jim2741jim2741 Posts: 20
    is very bothersome. Is there anything that can be done about this? I own a 2000 RS. This doesn't exactly exude a sporty feel to the car. Any help would be appreciated. I'm guessing that others have experienced this since I've read about this as being an issue with Subarus. My car is a 5sp.

    Thanks - Jim
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd ask that question on www.i-club.com, in the NA Powertrain forum.

    Sounds like she's running rich, but I have no idea how to adjust that.

    -juice
  • WarpDriveWarpDrive Posts: 506
    ...I'd be considering that too. The TS wagon is great value but I can't get excited about it. I'd at least want the alloy wheels and the tail spoiler (I don't think it looks very good without it)

    So no TS or RS for me, WRX wagon is what it's got to be (despite the serious extra $)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I guess I'm the type who allows the aftermarket to fill in the blanks.

    A TS with a set of Tein coilovers, 16" or even 17" rims and Kumho Ecsta 712s, and fat sway bars would handle really nice, and it has the same engine as is lighter than an RS.

    I don't think the seats are as good, and a few features are missing, but it's a budget buy.

    -juice
  • aceperoacepero Posts: 13
    I read some posts about an RS w/ Turbo. Does anyone know about anyone that has done that with their car and if so how it performs. How much HP does a Turbo for the RS add?
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Depends how much you want to spend.:-)

    Since you're in NY, check out http://www.rallispec.com.

    Also check the Tri-State forum on http://i-club.com for some NJ Turbo RS's. RichL and MattC have turbos. Also in NJ there's SteveS that has his own site http://www.forcefed4.com

    And just to read more, check http://www.cobbtuning.com
    Dennis
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