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On the news, just now, I heard that the IIHS is releasing 40 MPH "High Speed" Crash Test Results. One of the vehicles singled out as being the best: Mazda MPV.
So go figure. Just when Mazda has pissed me off with changing stories on the engine, they go and build what is appearing to be a very sturdy van.
http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/vans/mpv_00.htm
Actually, MPV was not singled out to be one of the best as boogaboox suggested. It scored acceptable. However, I was glad to see that result since previous generation of MPV did much worse by scoring marginal. So, I am not worried about safety anymore.
Actually, ALL dealers should be able to give you low financing AND money rebate on this car, because in this case the rebate is dealer incentive, and financing is buyer incentive, and therefore if you finance the car, Mazda will still issue $1000 for that car, and therefore you can and should get both.
got "forced" into getting a replacement for our 10 year old nissan axxess. it suddenly developed some fearsome rattling from the exhaust manifold and remembered all those thousand other tiny rattly things that needed fixing.
decided we wanted a replacement quick. since there are no dc van with the extendable pedals yet that happily left us with the mpv. would have bought used but its the first year model. so just this once we get to choose the color...i let my wife have the honor :-)
wife haven't driven until the pedal extenders we ordered are in. currently looking for some exterior mirror i could bolt face down on the trailing edge of the roof so she can see objects on the path she is backing into (she could barely see above the seat tops... which suddenly reminds me why!!! she is actually 4'8" but always claim 4'10" on paper - took me years to discover that and always think 4'10").
again, many thanks to you and your wife and give her my best regards.
If anyone has info/6th sense about what Mazda's MPV incentives/rebates in July, I'd love to hear about it!
Put condition on deal that if engine is from USA Ford the deal is for $1000 less than originally stated. Make sure this is in writing.
Then look at things such as the oil filter or even better yet, the dipstick has the Ford logo at the end of it. Look at the content sticker that comes with the MPV van and you will see then engine is from the USA.
Buy the van at the $1000 lower price than originally offered by dealer.
I am that confident.
Cheers,
TB
I guess you need to be careful, Ford owns 34% of Mazda, so make sure that you are clear that you are talking about the source of the engine, not who owns it.
Cheers,
TB
The engine in the MPV is the exact same piece that you will find in all v6 Contour/Mistique/Cougars, as well as Mazda 626 and Millenia models. It is made by Ford. The only difference between the Ford and Mazda models is the badging. Of course, the SVT engine is slightly transformed, but basically the same. The block is stamped "Ford" and the heads are stamped "Ford."
So, when the Mazda guy tells you that the MPV engine is "based on" the Ford Duratech, he is right, sort of. It' 99.9% Ford, just not the emblems,or the intake runners, which say "Mazda," or have the Mazda emblem. Even the Oil filter says "Ford Motorcraft" on it.
The 2.5 is a good engine with it's own specific problems, which are few and you shouldn't worry. I don't know for sure, but I'll bet the 3.0 is just a punched out 2.5 with the same block and heads, since this is a Modular engine by Ford.
The tranny, I do believe, is a Ford unit (correct me Tboner?). It should be different from the 4 cyl automatic tranny for many reasons, so not prone (hopefully) to the same problems that are seen in the 4cyl 626 models.
Maybe this helps?
--Cheers!
The MPV engine IS the same Ford design as the Contour/Mystique/Cougar, but not the same as the 626 and Millenia. Those engines are a pure Mazda engine. There is a photo on the page linked below, and it doesn't look anything like the MPV engine. The reviewer even noted the similarity... "While we'd swear that these were the same powerplant, that isn't the case. Similar as it might seem from the driver's aspect, it's pure Mazda design and build from the engine block to the intake runners. "
http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/mead/00.Mazda.626.ES.rt.html
I believe the tranny is a mazda unit. I've not been under there, so that could go either way.
Mazda does have its own 2.5L V6 that is a pretty nice engine, and is of course, it's own design.
javadoc, if you still have your sticker, you will see that the only US made part is the engine. The tranny is from Mazda in Japan. If I recall, the Contour ATX is an American piece and the MTX-75 is from Germany.
Cheers,
TB
http://www.marketwatch.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=Coss8qbWbtefgmdm5&FQ=mpv&Title=Headlines%20for%3A%20mpv%0A
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks (to everyone who replied) for the info on the engine. I'm now clear that it is a FORD engine in the vehicle.
My next question is how does that affect the reliability of the vehicle - I have a long commute - 100 miles/day. How long will the vehicle last ?
Any comments will be appreciated.
Thanks
Any advice is welcome, welcome, welcome!
slower than my brain and it shows. Please accept
the phrase "does anyone heard" as poetic license.
--Java
We first test-drove Siennas, which seemed nice, and dealer offered what I thought was a pretty good deal on one. It was light-years better than Caravan, of course, but I wanted to check out other Japanese-engineered products. So, we looked at used Odysseys (new ones are bigger than I'd like) and finally at Mazdas, which we bought within 2 hours of actually seeing/driving. So far, so good. I read some of the complaints about mileage and quickly calculated ours. We won't be able to complain... We have a light teal LX with touring package and dual air. Kids LOVE it. I find the magic seat much roomier than behind seat for putting groceries in and everything is light enough for me to easily move (NOT the case when seats have to come out). Plus, we really like the captain's chair/bench option. And kids swear they have more room and are more comfortable. I don't know how Mazda did it.
We were somewhat worried about buying a model in its first year, and we bought an extended warranty, which we don't usually do. One thing I liked about Mazda over Sienna was the longer warranty and roadside assistance.
Thanks so much for these forums. You have no idea how much they help when you're shopping FAST. We bought fast, but now that the deed is done, as we look at other minivans going down the road, ours is the one we like best...
B
around Framingham.
Thanks
INVOICE $20,210
W/EXTRAS $21,709
3% OVER INVOICE ( I AGREED TO PAY)
6% SALES TAX IN FLORIDA
$35.00 TAG TRANSFER
$1,000.00 DEALER REBATE THEY ARE GIVING ME.(WHICH THE DEALER SAID HAD TO BE TAXED BEFORE THE REBATE)
$2,000.00 TRADE IN
Anyone who can show me a break down in the final cost will be doing me a big favor. Thanks in advanced for the help.
JW
Silver Driver
With your numbers, $21,709 is the dealer cost without dealer rebate. With dealer rebate, the true dealer cost is $20,709. To this amount, add the 3% markup to get your final price.
Your breakdown should be as follows:
$20,709
+ 3% markup
+ 6% sales tax
+ $ 35 tag transfer
= total gross cost for vehicle
- $2,000
= amount you should owe for vehicle
Hope this helps.
I got this deal at Middletown Mazda. Unfortunately this may be a little over an hour drive for you.
metrostlouis:
Your deal sounds very good.
Below is a breakdown of what I paid.
LX Invoice - $20,151
dest.chrg. - 480
NLEV - 129
Sec.Pkg - 946
4-seas. - 344
rear a/c - 512
fogs - 215
3-in-1 audio - 129
rear step plate - 43
roof rack - 172
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Total Invoice - $23,121
Less Dealer Incentive - 1,000
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Dealer's Final Cost $22,121
Plus Profit + 500
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Purch px before TT&R $22,621
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This included the Mazda financing of 60mos./6.9%.
Compare this with your breakdown LESS fog lights and maybe NLEV. The total dealer cost after rebate should be $21,777. This would mean that you would be paying between $23 - $423 over Dealer's Final Cost.
IMHO, I would go with who ever is giving you both $1,000 Rebate and 6.9% financing. Even if you pay $423 over cost, you still are getting a great deal.
Good Luck!
Thanks very much for the feedback. I don't mind driving to that dealer to get a good price. Appreciate your feedback.
I just bought an MPV LX at dealer cost (including the $1000 incentive). The dealer kept the holdback of $442.50 as its profit. That was our deal.
So in your case, you should offer $20,709, and maybe a $100 or $200 more. But no more than that. Good luck.
18218 w/o any option. is that a good deal?
I bought my LX 12/99 at Adzam Mazda in Mt. Kisco, about 14 miles north of White Plains, for $200 under wholesale. Mazda was offering a $1000 dealer rebate at the time. I was extremely happy with my salesperson (forget his name, I can look it up if you want). His first offer was very high, but after I let him know, that I knew about holdbacks and dealer rebate he went to his manager and came back with the final numbers. He was totally straight ahead with me, never rushed, answered all questions.
The after sales person however tried to rip us off on a car loan and warranty. Eventually got warranty for $1130 and forced him to drop 48 month loan rate from 9.5 to 6.99% , after we applied and got approved from three different sources online.
Good Luck
Appreciate your help.
Thanks. Sorry to be so long.
Good luck.
BTW, we love our new MPV!
To this amount add about $100 or $200 for dealer profit. That should be your final price, before tax and tags.
You say you paid $18,218. Does that include tax or tags? If not, then you paid about $341 over true dealer cost, which is not a bad deal, if you do not factor in the holdback of about $400.
Hope this helps.
Here's the deal summary. (I pick up the car this evening.)
MPV LX - Sand Mica
Security Pkg
4 Season's Pkg
Rear A/C
3-in-1 Audio
Rear Bumper Step Plate
Cargo Mat
Total Invoice Price of $22,168
Drive off the lot Price of $21,989.
Figuring in holdback & $1000 incentive, the dealer made a 4% profit of $827.
I believe it ended up a fair deal for all. Though, I wish I had a roof rack!
Note that Cimccabe seems to have worked a better deal on her MPV. I should have had her negotiate the deal and split the margin with her! That might not be a bad idea for any soon-t0-be-purchasers out there! Give Cimccabe a call!
Nevertheless, please note the following:
I received 7.25% interest on a 60 month loan from a local Illinois credit union. In turn, if I had worked or lived in St. Louis, I could have received 6.9% financing for 60 months from 1st Community Credit Union.
Accordingly, Mazda's "incentive" is not that helpful. My 7.25% will only cost me about $200 more over the 5 year life of the loan.
Something to think about during negotiations, etc.
Congrats on your new LX. I love mine. I actually turned down the first MPV the dealer found for me because it had a roof rack. A roof rack falls into the category of something I would rarely if ever use. For my needs the van is spacious enough to keep stuff inside, though I fully realize this isn't everyone's situation.
Racks make washing the roof of the van more difficult, and can add wind noise and drag. The factory rack is only rated for 100 lbs, and carrying a load on the roof increases the center of gravity of an already tall vehicle, which can subtly affect handling.
Also, it's totally subjective, but I prefer the lower, sleeker look without a rack.
Thanks again!