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"Jim Rogers,Lincoln-Mercury General Marketing
Manager,who is an active "Edmund's Town Hall
participant" gets involved with the members
of that forum,if even first against the
advice of Ford Motor Company's legal
department."
Jim,Thanks for your Bravery!
To echo Stanny's comment, thanks again for being a paragon of "out-of-the-boxism" (pardon the sports-writer word inventing )in the automotive world. Any number of corporations yap about "out of the box thinking", but very few actually tolerate, let alone encourage it.
The LS program seems to cultivate it. Where do I sign?
Congrats and thanks to the Lincoln brake engineering dept!
Covey LM has earned the President's award for what that's worth, but they are located in the central Phoenix metro area on Camelback Road and 16th street. Not terribly convenient for me. You might want to check out the Registry page at the LLSOC site where I know of at least 3 other Phoenix based members have scored their service providers. Hope it helps.
ronniepooh. I was a little vague on the web site. Here goes: there are 3 screws at the bottom of the door panel. In the bottom of the "grab handle" there is a flap. The only way that I could pry it up was to get a very thin flat head screwdriver and kind of pop up on the side closest to the interior of the car. There are 2 screws hiding under the flap. There is the obvious screw at the upper rear of the panel. There is a black trim plate around the chrome door handle. Use the same thin flathead and gently pry at the front of the trim piece, between it and the "wood" piece. It will pop out towards you. There is a screw behind the black frim piece. After that pry up on the bottom of the panel and work around to the top. You will hear what sounds like tearing, that's OK, it's just the plastic retainers releasing. That should do it. While you're there, replace those stupid, weak, lousy,speakers. If you need more info, feel free to send an e-mail to me @ ezaircon4jc@netscape.net or ezaircon@yahoo.com
Long story short, I made the 640 mile trip in 8 hours and averaged about 22 mpg. This rough starting incident was isolated and has not happened since, althought the car is not subjected to cold temperatures here in Miami. Any ideas?
In Lincoln LS XII, I posted a message (#818) in which I describe the exact same problem that you had. My friend (service manager at local Lincoln dealer) described it as having to do with the 'cold start procedure'. Look at that message for a little more detail as to his explanation. My car has done that once and never again. He claims that it is a common problem that they see at the shop, not just with the LS', but other Lincoln and Ford products.
Albert
Same starter not engaged sound and strong smell of gas after it finally fired. Took a good 5 minutes of repeated tries before it started. Got a sinking feeling in my stomach that my $40 I baby might be just another Ford.
Given the choice between A & B, which would you choose?
Ratios
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Gear A B
------ -------- --------
First 3.25 4.33
Second 2.44 3.25
Third 1.55 2.07
Fourth 1.00 1.33
Fifth 0.75 1.00
Rr Axle 3.58 2.69
PS. Is this hard-to-start issue that several have complained of exclusive to the V8's? The proven Duratecs dont seem to have this problem, unless I've missed a post or two. Also seems like some of the issues that the PCM reflashes address are more pronounced in the V8's than in the V6's. Again, that could just be my perspective.
In the LS Workshop manual, it states that the standard corporate protocol (SCP), an unshielded twisted pair cable, networks your ABS, audio control module (ACM), driver door module (DDM) which controls the windows, locks, keyless entry, and communicates with the driver seat module (DSM) that controls the power seat and mirror memory, dual automatic temperature control (DATC), instrument cluster module (ICM) which also controls the passive anti-theft system (PATS), front electronic module (FEM) and (REM) that controls your interior and exterior lighting and wiper system, powertrain control module (PCM) which controls the engine and others, RESCU, and .steering column lock module (SCLM) for manual transmission models.
If you wish to experience all of these modules shutting down one at a time like I have while driving home at night, short out your battery cable.
Wes
Regards,
Airwolf1000
In the LS Workshop manual, it states that the standard corporate protocol (SCP), an unshielded twisted pair cable, networks your ABS, audio control module (ACM), driver door module (DDM) which controls the windows, locks, keyless entry, and communicates with the driver seat module (DSM) that controls the power seat and mirror memory, dual automatic temperature control (DATC), instrument cluster module (ICM) which also controls the passive anti-theft system (PATS), front electronic module (FEM) and (REM) that controls your interior and exterior lighting and wiper system, powertrain control module (PCM) which controls the engine and others, RESCU, and .steering column lock module (SCLM) for manual transmission models.
If you wish to experience all of these modules shutting down one at a time like I have while driving home at night, short out your battery cable.
Wes
Service at fiesta in Mesa has been just the opposite, very professional, putting me in a loaner renter if the car had to stay, good about call backs and time estimates. They also have a service to give you a ride home during certain times of the day, and a pretty comfortable waiting room.
As Chris (lolaj42) notes above he has good experiences at the other Jack Ross dealer in Tempe.
They are planning to put this on the showroom floor and offer it for sale. Apparently, they have struck a deal with an aftermarket outfit.
I'm anxious to see what this looks like and to find out what they're adding to the price. It'll be interesting to see if this takes off. I'll post further details as they become available.
Who'd a thunk it!? Usually, their add-ons are SIMCON tops for TC's and Grand Marquis. We've come a long way baby!
Just my thoughts. Sorry, I have no idea which company manufactured the kit I saw. I still say the best bang for the buck visually for the LS would be a set of nice forged 18 inch rimsin the proper width/offset (Speedline or Fiske come to mind) and a nicemedium charcoal window tint.
If you need more info. on how to access the chat room email me at: brian.gowing@llsoc.com
Brian
The first set is the LS V-6 Auto,the second set is similar to the LS Manual except for the cruiser rear ratio.Neither make me happy.
I'll take the first set just because it's reality.It exists and works.It needs a taller fifth gear just like the second gear set.A six speed is the real answer for both.
What modern car runs a 2.69 rear? Sounds like high speed racing ala Nascar.Change it to a 3.07 like in the Manual LS and we got 3000 rpm at 75mph.Just a little unnecessary.
One other thing, there is a rumbling noise in the transmission while in overdrive around 55 mph which was diagnosed and the half shafts were replaced. This did not make the noise go away, only made it somewhat softer. Any clues? Again brining the car in next week to have this looked at once again.
Mark
I'll reserve judgement on the car I mentioned in # 18 until I see it. I'll let you all know. The promising thing is, at least they're seeming to recognize that there is an enthusiast's market for the LS. Who know's what's next. Maybe some dealer-installed go-fast goodies with warranty a la Motorsport.
joe166-re tires. I sat next to Dick Cupka Fri. night at LS Mania. He made it quite clear that the 17" tires were designed specifically for the LS and NOTHING is going to make you happier. This is the head Lincoln engineer talking, guys. That's enough for me.
BTW- Jonathan Crocker's email is jcrocker@ford.com
The '91 3.8 must have been a real cruiser with the same .694 OD and a 3.19 final!
OK,question of the month: with five speeds in the LS Auto,why not a .69-70 fifth so the V-6 Auto would have a lower cruise rpm? Does the Duratech need to rev that high at cruise? If you did have a .69-.70 fifth,how would that affect the other ratios in the scheme? Thanks
In any case, I don't worry much about how slowly the engine turns at various speeds.. within reason. I like the engine to be around the middle of its torque curve during normal cruising speeds (70-85) so it doesn't need to downshift for moderate acceleration and is not geared so high that it feels sluggish and has to downshift for every little hill or attempt to accelerate.
I think the LS-8 ratios work very well for high-speed passing when it shifts down to 3rd and blasts off with a huge surge of midrange torque, and then it settles down to quietly cruise along at 80-90 in 5th with no sensation of stress or vibration or noise or 'floating' feelings in the chassis. I'm not a drag racer, but for high speed cruising on all sorts of roads I think they've got it right!
It requires Windows Media Player to work. I have not tested this running Netscape yet since with my sloooooow connection at home it took about 15 minutes to load. You fast access types should be able to load pretty quickly.
P.S. The car isn't leaning as much as the cameraman, who was twosctrjns. He graciously volunteered to take life and limb into his own hands to do the video in my LS-8 non-Sport. Actually the cars leaned very little through these pretty severe manuevers.
Broam, er.. Brian (I've been at this too long!)
My 2000 LS Manual is right at the start of the torque curve at 75 mph. With 5 people in the car,it will climb Mountain Springs Grade at 75-80mph. This is a 4000ft ascent from the desert floor west of El Centro to the mountain plateau east of San Diego in the space of about 5 miles. No need to downshift. Could not do that with my 1983 5 speed manual Cressida! I'd be in third gear by the top. Amazing!
Around town,with mostly freeway blasting,I'm lucky to cut 20 mpg. But my Cressida did the same mpg,and the LS outweights the Cressida by 600 lbs and has 67 hp more.Somewhere there is more efficiency in the LS despite the weight penalty.
If the 540i has a rear ratio of 2.81,it must have a killer first gear or a super hp/weight ratio.
Great music too,Brian. Used as theme music in 1988's "Bright Lights,Big City" with Michael J. Fox.
Now, they're beginning to learn that the oxygenated fuels, at least those involving ether, constitute a groundwater polution threat. Take your pick, do you want to die from bad air or contaminated water?
Changing this ratio also changes second gear ratio because second is overdrive times first. Gear spacing is very important. Too tall of an overdrive would put second gear ratio too close to third gear ratiot. There would be a big step on the 1-2, followed by a small 2-3 step.
The current overdrive is not ideal, but close. 0.71 would be a very good overdrive ratio.
Mark
Mark
Thanks
Latest issue of Popular Mechanics states that there will be a V12 Town Car. Dick C.-Details? Is this a "performance" edition TC or for bragging rights?
I can only imagine the conversations going on in the Cadillac planning room right now- "They've done it to us again!"
We also have to institute a relatively small fee for this. While Lincoln has been a gracious host, we don't want to take all their revenue and use it for events
As usual email me with ideas about the next event and I will compile them and pass them along.
Brian
Brian
Will check Hong Kong and Singapore next!
My LS-8 does not have a spongy feel, even when I compared it to the V-6 Sport models at LS Mania.
Brian
“re tires. I sat next to Dick Cupka Fri. night at LS Mania. He made it quite clear that the 17" tires were designed specifically for the LS and NOTHING is going to make you happier. This is the head Lincoln engineer talking, guys. That's enough for me.”
I have to take exception to this statement. Or perhaps the underlying assumption. I expect that the OEM Firestones fit the parameters agreed upon by LS engineers and marketers for the LS Sport package. But I would submit that their priorities do not necessarily match those of all LS owners. They may (for instance) have placed cost above ultimate lateral grip. I believe that each owner has different priorities and different areas where they would and would not be willing to compromise. And therefore something else might fit those priorities better – and make them “happier”.
Just my $.03 (state and local taxes included)
Cheers,
- Ray
Who will probably not replace the Firestones with exactly the same tires – when the time comes….
I have a new in the box non-sport (with wood) steering wheel for my LS8 (has radio control buttons built in).
My interior is medium parchment, or tan as I call it, and the wheel is darker than the seats. Like a real light brown.
I can send part numbers off the box if you like.
For Sale.
Greg
Wichita - who prefers the all leather wheel.
I had a similar conversation with Jonathan Crocker and he advised me not to change my tires, he told me to stick with the Firestones. He said that of course they tested other tires.
For what it is worth, all of the guys in the vehicle dynamics team for the LS have racing experience, some were on the Benetton team, and one was on Mansell or Schumachers team (Someone remind me which pro drivers). These guys know what they are doing and all have racing experience including Jonathan. I think he said he used to race a little Super 7 or something to that effect.
I personally am not going to make any mods to the Suspension. All the parts are meant to work as a system and if one is Off(Even if it is a better part) it messes up the whole system. A case in Point is JR's Car. As Jonathan told him "What did you do to my car?". Jim had some suspension upgrades that messed up the characteristics.
I learned you can't just go around slapping parts expecting an instant improvement. A configuration has to be tested.
In any case after the drive I realized the Suspension configuration is very optimized. Any upgrade I do more than likely will only be detrimental to the configuration. Especially if it is not tested and tuned.
Regards,
Airwolf1000