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We have also tried an '88 Aerostar and had similar tranny problems at 125k miles.
We finally switched to the Ford E-150 series, much better suited for our purposes and believe that the extra $ you pay in gas is well worth it in the long run considering the increased load capacity/ weight and cheaper maintenance costs.
So a minivan is basically a car chassis with more room. Most of them are not engineered for alot of weight, though the Chevy Astro is supposed to be a better hauler/ handle heavier loads.
If you're doing any kind of load bearing service, save yourself the headaches and just get the larger vans.
Has anyone heard of this?
without me asking while doing routine service.
I suggest you get the vin #s of any vehicle you like and run them through CarFax.com to get a vehicle history. Its worth $20.00 for 2 months. It isn't foolproof but can give you useful info on the vehicles history, flood damage and major accidents etc. I would also be looking at vehicles still under factory warranty, this makes it easier for a dealer to bill the mfg. to correct any defects. This was my first new minvan purchase and I will definitely do another when I run this one into the ground or when Publishers Clearing House comes knocking.
Good luck
BE sure to get a competent independent condition evaluation on any used vehicle you consider buying. If you are still concerned about the transmission issue, add $1800 to your expected cost and see what the alternatives look like. 3 1/2 years ago, a comparable Odyssey was $4500 more, so even if I had to replace the transmission (which could happen in the next 50K) I'm still happy. My wife loves her van either way.
Thanks again.
BTW - congratulations on your success with the Astro. I have seen those go both ways. A lot of them seem to run forever but I have seen quite a few with problems (mostly electrical).
Royallen, How much fluid can you get out with a siphon, and what brand of fluid do you buy?
I have only seen Quaker State for Chryslers at Pep Boys.
thanks
It's not the cost so much that makes me stay away from them, it's the fact that with transmission failure, you don't know where and when it's going to hit you. Give me GM valve stem seal failure any day, I can fix it at my leisure...
The DC minivans are pretty nice otherwise and have lousy resale, so they're attractive used, but no thanks...
-Mathias
East Lansing, MI
I will tell you that vehicles made by Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth were way in the minority. There were a number of older chrysler minivans, and from what I can tell these were of the 4-speed electronic version. The three speed versions were rare. I saw many more GM minivans, especially the Lumina series, Cavaliers, S10 Blazers and pickups, full size Ford products, a number of Windstars, and full size F150s.
One of the transmission techs did mention to me that "a good number" of failed Chrysler transmissions had been filled with the wrong fluid. Chrysler owners should be aware that these transmission require a fluid called "7176" or ATF+3, and on newer vehicles, ATF+4. There is a local couple who successfully sued one of our local quick lube places for filling their Chrysler minivan transmission with the wrong fluid, causing a failure almost 10,000 miles later.
Dusty
Now the whole electronics is going crazy. First, the wipers came on with no reason. Then the air bag light would not go off. Then, the ABS light stayed on. Then the speedometer behaved strangely.
Chrysler builds cars from hell, and they don't give it a d*** about the customers. They make profits both ends: selling and repairs!
If you own a van, you'll be enlisted for moving detail by all of your friends. (More often than you'll get to help the cheerleading squad, for example.)
So keep the car, get a van twice a year when you need it, and save the gas money and aggrivation for later.
TB
The speedometrer will not work, all it shows is "0" mph, and the transmission will not gear up. It stays in first gear all the time, at least that's where I think it is. At approx 40-45 mph the engines turning at 3000 rpm.
I'm wondering if the Speedometer is linked to the transmission (sending a signal, when to upshift), or are these completely unrelated.
Appreciate any help. Thanks, Bob
As for the transmission, www.allpar.com shows that all '99+ Chrysler 4-speed autos need ATF+4 fluid, and I think I'll get a transmission cooler and buy an extended warranty once the factory warranty runs out.
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My view on chicks is:
a.) I certainly wasn't picking up any in my Saturn, so things can't get much worse
b.) The T&C LXi isn't a bad ride to take girls in
c.) any chick who would want me just because I drive a sports car is not who I want anyway
d.) any chick who can see the value of a T&C over a sports car is worth that much more
e.) I can fit 6 of them in this van
on top of all the really cool things about T&C's is that my insurance went from $370 every 6 months to $255 (no collision or comp) - which makes up for a good chunk of the extra gas this burns (not that it takes a lot! $25 a tank...) I calculated it out and if I drive this for 8 years, 15k/yr, vs my old 94 Saturn for 3 years, 15k/yr, both cost 19.3 cents/mile to drive. (If you're really interested, just ask and I'll post the calculations I used) Guess which one I'd rather spend my 19.3 cents on?
not to mention I got a 3 year 45000 mile powertrain warranty (Penn Warranty - $540, the dealer included the one year $300 warranty and split the $240 diff for the 3 yr with me so it cost me only an extra $120), add PA tax on it and I'm still under $9500 for a 3 year old (96k) vehicle that was well taken care of and runs like it's brand new.
And back to the topic of chicks once again, I took a trip this weekend with a bunch of guys up to Montreal, and took a few of my (male) neighbors out for a ride the other night - all the guys seem to think it's pretty cool. Anyway, when I get back home for Christmas I'm gonna put a new set of plugs in it and a K&N air filter... then a tranny cooler when I get around to it. My fuel mileage so far (I know there's a separate board for this) is about 19 mpg combined - 17-18 city in below-freezing weather, and about 20 on the trip to Montreal (mostly 75 mph+) in 20F weather also including some city driving. I love the way it rides and drives and all the features... I'm an engineer so I really appreciate all the small engineering touches Chrysler puts in their vehicles. I know the 3.8L engines are really good, and I'm just hoping that Chrysler fixed the bugs in the tranny by 99. Hope you guys are having as much fun with yours as I am with mine!
Good luck with it.
RJ
LOL! Yeah, right.
If this van's rockin', don't bother knockin'
You get the prize for the most insane post of the day.
-Mathias
East Lansing, MI
Lee B.
I am a fellow, but much older, mechanical engineer who has a 96 Caravan and has no macho hangups about driving it.
PS: Your only fault is your Penn State affiliation--just kidding
I live in Downingtown, so I know what you mean by wanting/needing a larger vehicle for the expressways around Eastern PA. The Caravan is a completely different animal than my Miata on the PA Turnpike.
BTW, Michigan all the way (but not this year obviously)!
The newer 96 Caravan SE Sport, by the way is at 63,000 miles with no transmission problems (3.3L engine w/ 4-speed automatic). Only failure so far was the AC which was an expensive fix. (I figured I better put something on topic in here.)
My car is a 2000 Taurus SES with Duratec DOHC. Yes that old value decision making crept in again. (But I do like a good looking car as well) Bought it new for $18K+TTL at end of model year. I felt it was the most bang for the buck, and has been flawless so far. My second Taurus as well.
Definitely the Caravan is more comfortable for long trips and short trips to the lumberyard.
And--go Badgers! (Well, only in the Alamo Bowl this year, and I'm not sure their record justified that)
Thanks, D. Pettit
1. Try installing an auxillary transmission fluid cooler if you haven't already. This shouldn't cost more than $50 and it's easy to install. Overheated transmission fluid kills tons of transmissions, and if you're having problems after driving long distances perhaps the fluid is getting too hot.
2. Fluid and filter change, if this hasn't been done already - with the correct fluid (Chrysler 7176 - NOT Dexron!) of course. Also not incredibly expensive, and it's about time to do this anyway after 30,000 miles. This is also fairly inexpensive.
3. If the first transmission the shop put in only lasted 30,000, and they can't get the second one they installed working properly after only 20,000, maybe it's time to find a different shop to do your tranny work for you.
Hope this helps! keep us posted!
Turned out the problem was very minor. A screw holding the bracket on the end of the transmission shift cable, which connects the shift lever to the transmission, had come loose. This was under the hood below the air filter housing. They found it, adjusted the cable and fixed it for $45.00. Not bad considering it is hard to get anything done for less than 3 figures these days.
She didn't even get any high pressure sales tactics by the dealer service rep to pack on unneeded service. I was pretty impressed, since the previous time they tried to sell her several hundred dollars worth.
At any rate, I was glad it was a minor repair and not some symptom of a developing major expensive transmission problem.
'96 Caravan is at 64K now and after nearly 6 years of ownership (we bought it as a new leftover in March, 1997), the only other non-routine maintenance that has been required was a fairly expensive AC repair last summer. Otherwise, it drives like new.
Lean on Chrysler about this. They have been covering the cost of out of warranty transmission service for years. They paid for 1/2 of my transmission service when ours went out with 49,000 miles on the van. In '96 we only had the 12/12 warranty.
Call and tell them that you know that they have covered these costs for others. Don't give up, they will pay for at least part of it.