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For one without otis or evic, ignore the screw part.
Silver
Q: What kind of glue should I use? Auto Goop is out!
http://public.fotki.com/Scotian/300m/damage/rear_bumper/
Go to www.performancewestgroup.com and click on Other Image Vehicles on the left, then click Others. Select PWG-300M3 from the group and click the headings over the pic for info and a few more pictures of it.
Glad it arrived in one piece. You don't have to download it to watch it. It's just a Quicktime movie with music. Hope you get to see it some day. You'll enjoy it.
fastdriver
However with 46k on it it drove like it had 100k. My suspsension was popping again (after having the tie rods, steering assemblies and cv boots replaced 12k miles earlier). I think I had the idler pulley whining problem. The power seat motor was also going out.
These were in addition to about 5 or 6 warranty repairs which took multiple trips to the dealer to fix because they "could not duplicate" or it took three days to even look at my car.
My previous car to the 300M was a Dodge stratus. Other than a squeaking suspension and worn rotors within 10k miles it ran flawless to when I traded it in on the 300 50k miles later.
After buying the best DC has to offer I was left with a bad taste after the numerous visits to terrible dealers. I really liked the Chrysler Pacifica as we searched for new cars. But I couldn't take the depreciation hit (13k trade in) an unreliability again.
I wish you all well with your 300's the actual car is great but the dealers and quality control leave a lot to be desired.
Your experience would seem to tell a lot about buying a DCX vehicle, but I think you might have made out a bit better with a different dealer. I agree about the quality problems and resale values, but at least my dealer experience was much better than yours and I think some others here have been fairly satisfied with their dealers. Granted, they are not at the level of the luxury brands, but neither is Honda or Toyota from what I've heard.
As for the quality, it's a shame. The 300M now can be had in the low 20s w/rebates, yet I can't in good conscience recommend it to a couple female friends of mine who might like it, because of quality lapses. For some it works out well because they can personally fix the failing tranny sensors and window motors, and may buy it used so the bad resale makes the cars an outstanding bargain, but for most people I would think that DMC needs to clean up their act. Supposedly they are working on quality quite hards so it will be interesting to see if the Pacifica rates highly in quality.
Before I close, I'd like to say I've been impressed with the engine and various components of the LH cars. Guys on this board are talking about their old early 90s LH cars that still have the same exhaust system, alternator, generator, struts, despite closing in on 200K miles. Some of the "stuff" holds up amazingly well, whereas the elctronics are pretty sad IMO, which are expensive pieces. Too bad. Let us know how your Pilot has holds up as the miles roll up. Good luck w/your new vehicle!
I was not an SUV person either but living here in Texas now I have to give in because it seems trucks outnumber cars 3-1. It might not make sense but I just feel safer in a larger vehicle now. Plus even though I have two SUV's they are rated within 3mpg of the 300M (17-22 for both the FX and Pilot)
I went to 4 or 5 different dealers over the course of owning my car. 2 were respectable Curry Motors in chicago (where I bought it) and Gillman Chrysler in Richmond, TX. These are the places I had the most luck getting things fixed and Curry actually gave loaners if you bought from them. The others were down right horrible even though they all were 5*.
The 300 was a great car I initially picked it over the es300, I30, maxima and VW passat. It offered at the time the best combination of sportiness and luxury for the money. I think the DC merger is killing chrysler they seem to be taking steps backwards in quality and design. Other than the crossfire and pacifica none of the other new dc vehicles do anything for me. Especially that 300C v8 or not it is not a fitting replacements for our M's. I hope you guys enjoy the M's for a long time. It's been a blast.
I chalk some of these up to first year bugs. All in all it has much fewer problems than the domestics and about even with the Seqouia. I understand all to well that every car would have problems. I don't have a problem with that. My infiniti has had problems but I got a loaner and the problems have been fixed right the first time. One thing I know is if I am sick of it I will lose less money on it.
Any car is a gamble and could be a lemon even a honda, nissan or toyota. I know this but was just fed up with the way my 300 felt after 46k miles. Like I said my lowly dodge stratus felt better with 60k than the 300 did.
Right now is the 1st Fram filter I've used. It's not the standard one, which is I think called TG (Tough Guard) or something like that--it's a performance one that is 2 steps up (?Super Guard? or something similar) which costs about double what the standard Fram filters cost. Anyway, no problems with it. Are you sure your problem is associated with the filter--that would obviously be rather unusual, but certainly possible. I plan to use Fram filters from here on out, as Consumer Reports some years back rated filters and Fram was either #1 or right near the top--I always remember that test.
BigMike, thx for the info. And I think your waiting can only help you in regard to pricing on the Crossfire. THat 3K fee should be called "ripoff add-on" IMO. Things like that make me bargain the dealer down to the lowest possible point, rather than giving them the last few hundred dollars that are always the hardest part to get from them... But personally I would prefer the 'vette to the Crossfire, if its safety ratings are good. In a low, smaller vehicle like these I would feel that's important. GM hasn't always done so well in the past in that department, but I have never looked into the 'vette. Of course I know a lot of people don't feel those ratings are worth much.
Thanks
sad.
Hope for the best!
1) Definitely sue: plenty of board members would gladly testify to your support of DMC and help to owners of DMC vehicles.
2) Find a top notch employment case lawyer and definitely sue. In the USA there's a book available in reference sections of libraries entitled "America's Best Lawyers", and you can find the best lawyers in your area based on how their peers rate them. Perhaps Canada has a similar publication.
3) Definitely sue
It's called wrongful termination, or perhaps for violating their own company rules for how to deal with employees. IMO you should get your job back and reparations if they try such a crazy thing.
The dry weather handling is every bit as good as the Goodrich GForce KDW's I replaced. The wet weather handling is unbelievable, I really could not get them to slip or aquaplane. I still haven't had a chance to check them out in snowy or icy conditions (they are rated to excel in those conditions also).
And they are so quiet! The Goodrich KDWs were much quieter than the original Goodyears, but the Pirellis are just about totally silent, even over expansion joints. I do hear a slight hum on brushed concrete roadways but otherwise I just hear the stereo without having to turn it up!
I don't think they are offered in the M's original size (mine are 245/45-15's mounted on 17 x 8.5 wheels).
Lynn Flowers
back at home in McKinney, Texas!!!
Pzeros; wow, so the Pzero Nero M&S is as good as the ratings on tirerack suggest. Here's a link that will show you how much your speedo is off since you changed sizes: http://www.mr2.com/FORMS/tire.html
Glad they worked out well--enjoy the quiet ride. The confusing thing to me about that tire is that the Nero comes in both a M&S variety and a non M&S variety; seems like people will get the different blends confused to me. Anyway, enjoy your quiet ride. I'm probably going to get the Falken ZIEX-512s myself, which are Z rated for speed, all-weather, and one of Consumer Reports top picks. But they aren't widely available w3hich is a pain.
Side wall Tire Actual Percent
Tire Size Height Radius Speed @70 Error
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225/55 17 123.75 339.65 70.00 0.000
225/50 17 112.50 328.40 67.68 3.312
235/50 17 117.50 333.40 68.71 1.840
245/50 17 122.50 338.40 69.74 0.368
Another DC assembly secret betrayed!
Indy, I'm glad the "search" worked well for you. I use it (obviously) when I start wondering about some mechanical trivia such as your request. And 3 cheers for Otto! I guess he's in trouble for helping us with our cars.
Good luck Otto.
My '99, with 54k miles continues to roll merrily along. The M is still, 5 years later, one of the best styled cars on the road.
Happy Holidays, fastdriver. Dr. Pixel, are you still lurking? I hope all is well personally and professionally.
Off to dinner...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
You should have seen how ACTIVE it was back in June 98 and continuing until .............
Couldn't miss 2 days here or you'd have hundreds of messages to catch up on. No more. You have the "Special" model- right? How's she holding up?
laurasdada-
Still lurking. Watching the Kirkorian trial in Delaware very closely. Wow- 54k! My car will be 3 years old in March. I only have 27k! Want to get the new TL, but have to wait a few more months to see how to get out of this lease early and into a new Diamond White model. Glad that she's still purring along for you.
DC really thinks these new LH models are going to turn things around for them. I think they're delusional! ;-)) I've seen 2 Pacificas on the road, maybe 3 since they came out and only 2 Crossfires. I expect the Hemi 300N will be used for the govt. staff in and around the White House/FBI/CIA/SS etc.
fastdriver
As these cars age, hopefully more people will want repair advice and such. Of course the "other" M board handles that well.
I check in here a couple times a week and enjoy it. Maybe its the winter blahs thats slowing down participation.
Rick/Geezer300M
The steeply raked front end will attract more stone chips.
I have heard that the paint on all new cars is "softer" than it was a few years ago due to environmental regulations. I have also heard that body/paint shops are not subject to these same regulations and if you repaint your car, you will get a better paint job (probably not on the $99 special).
I have only heard this -- I have no documented evidence...
I sure hope Rick is right and it's just winter blahs set in already and people will start posting again. I know I haven't contributed a lot on this board, mostly lurked, but I would really hate to see it fade away. I've gotten a lot of really good information here as well as the "other" board.
I know what you mean about the early activity. When I started watching this board just a year ago, Monday mornings took me a long time to catch up on all the new stuff because I wouldn't check it on the weekend.
Happy Holidays to all!
Got 28-30" of snow this weekend. M spent a lot of quality time in the garage, but when it was able to exit hibernation, did fine in the snow (TC got a workout!). Unfortunately, my fenced in yard, thanks to an unknowing plow guy, in not so fenced any more!
How 'bout them Pats!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)