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  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    The SX4 appears to be a Suzuki, but I was referring to the Reno that I purchased thinking it was a Suzuki.

    I understand, but you were responding to canuck785's post which was about the SX4 (despite the title mentioning Reno).

    Incidentally, I read in my News Sentinel today that Suzuki ranks next to last in JD Power reliability surveys. Wonder if that's due to the Daewoo Reno/Forenza/Verona cast offs?

    Suzuki seems to think so: Suzuki blaming poor initial quality scores on GM Daewoo-produced vehicles
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    backy,
    have you drove a Yaris yet? if so, how does it compare to an xA or an aveo?
    just out of curiosity, if you could buy any of those hatch tomorrow, which one would you get? aveo, yaris, fit, versa,accent,rio, rabbit ??? or wait for the new sx4 ;)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I've driven the Yaris sedan twice, but have not been able to find a hatch to test-drive. I thought the Yaris had a much more comfortable ride than the xA and a smoother powertrain than the Aveo. The Aveo seemed "thin" to me.

    Your question about which I would buy tomorrow is hard because I haven't found an Accent SE to drive yet. I suspect based on drives of the GS hatch that I might like the SE a lot.

    I would like to see what the SX4 is like. And, I will be able to because I don't have to buy a car for a couple of years. Based on those I've driven, I prefer the Fit overall, then the Rabbit (which I like a lot in 3-door form except for fuel economy and historically poor reliability). The Versa was a pretty nice drive too, but early reports on fuel economy aren't too good and I don't like the big step in the back with seats folded. The Rio is quite nice also, but overpriced I think given Kia's historically poor resale value.

    And I am still hoping Hyundai will re-introduce the Elantra hatch on the all-new platform. :)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I just noticed something: Honda Civic is listed at the top of this discussion on "Which Hatchback?" Why is that? Is that to represent the fact that the Civic is available in some countries as a hatch--just not in North America? :cry:

    Also, isn't it time to retire the Pro5 from the list and replace it with a hatchback that is actually for sale as a new car--the Mazda3 or Fit or Versa or.... ?
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    thank you for your comments!
    i find it is hard to make a decision because all those cars have pros and cons and are basically, IMO, pretty good cars. I guess it all comes down to what someone needs and like, and i migh add, how long some is willing to wait to get a car!! ( 2-4 mths for a yaris liftback here)

    i dont think the rabbit will be a choice for me : dealerships are too far and only very few to deal with.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Yep, it's really hard to buy a "bad" new car these days.

    I understand your issue with dealerships. That might keep me from a Suzuki, although there is a dealer close to me there are very few in my town and few overall. VW dealers are plentiful where I live, though. So are Hyundai and Kia dealers, and of course dealers for the American and Japanese car companies.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    Yep, it's really hard to buy a "bad" new car these days
    good thing Yugo stop making cars!!! ;) LOL
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    It's a little higher end than most of the other cars discussed here, but have any of you driven the Mazda6 hatch? I drove the sedan version as a rental and it seemed pretty sweet (there is also a Mazda6 wagon).
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I haven't driven the Mazda6 hatch but I really like it--great handling, styling, and cargo capacity. I looked at it closely before I got my Elantra GT, but went with the Elantra because the GT gave me what I needed for (at the time) about $8000 less.
  • prosource1prosource1 Member Posts: 234
    My local Toyota dealer rented a Scion TC this weekend and actually today and I have to tell you that this is a great handling and performing car. Most don't consider this car and it's a mistake. The back seat is huge and there is a ton of room in it for a coupe.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    The back seat is huge and there is a ton of room in it for a coupe.

    What tC were *you* looking at? When I looked at the tC, the only way I could fit in the back seat was if the hatch was open to allow my head to stick up. There isn't enough room for anyone over about 5'-4" in that back seat.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    I am assuming he is talking about the TC, 4 door sedan, because that is the ONLY TC scion has ;)
    by the way, anyone noticed that if you want to compare 2007 Scion the Xa or the Xb are not showing up, only the TC does?
    on other forums, there is a rumor that the production of xb and xa will be dropped... :(
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Huh? The tC is available only as a 2-door hatchback. The xA and xB are 4-door hatchbacks.

    It could be that the 2007 xA and xB haven't been released to dealers yet. There were photos of a next-gen xB on Town Hall a while ago.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    I am assuming he is talking about the TC, 4 door sedan, because that is the ONLY TC scion has ;)

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    Looks like two doors to me.....

    Maybe confusing the Scion tC with the Saturn ION?:

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  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    Scion a and b will not be available as 2007 model, there will be replacements coming.

    And the "tC 4 door" reference - I take it you were being sarcastic ;)
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    LOL!! i had a major blonde moment there!! :confuse:
    i knew the TC was not a hacht but i was sure it had 4 doors.... :blush: sowwy!
    i really want to know about the xA and Xb for 2007...i just love those 2 cars!
    I saw an xA "special edition" (or whatever they called it) this w/e,it was the bright red one that they offered in 2005. wow! what a cute car!! it had different wheels on it and it looked like a mini cooper :)
    my husband WANTS me to get an xA, but i am pushing for the aveo :)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    If it's between the Aveo and xA, this is one time (at least) you should listen to your husband. :)
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    i knew the TC was not a hacht

    Yet another blonde moment: The tC *is* a hatchback. :P

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    Actually, between an Aveo and an xA, it isn't a cut-and-dry decision. The xA definitely has a higher "wow" factor, but the Aveo is also a decent choice.

    Out of the GM-Daewoo cars sold in the U.S., the Aveo is the biggest seller and has the best reliability. Its ride is smoother than the xA's, although it has noticeably more body lean in corners. If you're not driving it like a Ferrari though, that shouldn't be a big deal. The Aveo seems more inviting inside; it feels roomier than the cramped xA. The engine noise is also worse on the xA than on the Aveo. The Aveo buzzes on acceleration, but the xA buzzes all the time!

    After looking at several models in that class last year, I went up a bit and bought a Hyundai Elantra. But if I were to choose between the xA and the Aveo, I would pick the Aveo.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    oh boy!!!..do I stand corrected!!! :blush:
    for my defense, i never saw one in "person", only in pictures, and they dont "LOOK" like they are hachtback :P

    both the aveo and the xA are interesting choices in the segment, (i drove both ) so i KNOW what they are :P
    the Xa comes all equipped, which is cool, but the aveo is cheaper and a good deal too. i also love the colors of the aveos!
    my scion dealer is a lot further than the chevy one, which could be handy.
    Chevy also changed their warranty to 5 yrs/100,000 miles, which is longer than toyota-scion but with the reputation toyota has, not sure they really need a longer warranty

    i am also looking at the new suzuki SX4 AWD, it offers A LOT for 15 k.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    If you can get AWD for $15k, and AWD is a priority, by all means go for it!

    I looked at Suzukis (Aerio & Reno) when car shopping last year, mostly just to cross them off my list. After driving them, they both hung around on my list for a long time! The Reno especially seemed a great value, but I was afraid it was more of a facade and that the car wouldn't hold up. (The Reno is built by GMDAT just like the Aveo, but the quality ratings of the plant where the Reno is produced are not as good as where the Aveo is produced. Suzuki even cited GMDAT as the major driver for their own quality problems.)

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy a "true" Suzuki though.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    i did look at the reno and the aerio too, but did not drive them yet...the SX4 replaces the aerio so 2006 should be the last suzuki produces this model. for the Reno, i thought I had found MY car, but the reviews were not that good, a lot of new owners experienced troubles with the starter and reliabilty wasn,t that good in general. Considering all the other options that are out there, i figured I could look at something else.
    the SX4 is really an appealling little car, has lots of goodies plus AWD available with auto or 5 spd.
    as you said, if awd is a priority, got for it. I am debating the "necessity" factor, my last cars were a JEEP Wrangler, when I was still in canada and then a Cherokee in kansas, but now I am not really sure if I really need it here. The MPG are also a bit lower with the SX4 , 28 mpg highway. if you consider that the Reno gets a 31 highway rating and it's not a AWD, i guess it is not bad :)
    As i mentioned in other post, the location of the dealership is something to consider in my case, because most of them are at leat 50 miles + away, except the chevy/pontiac ones.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    for the Reno, i thought I had found MY car, but the reviews were not that good, a lot of new owners experienced troubles with the starter and reliabilty wasn,t that good in general. Considering all the other options that are out there, i figured I could look at something else.

    That's pretty much the conclusion I reached. The Reno got so-so reviews with respect to handling and acceleration, but I though it was fine. Still, the relationship between Suzuki and GMDAT is not the smoothest, so that kind of scared me. I thought the exterior body style of the Reno was great though; a real eye-catcher for me (as a hatchback lover).
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I guess I had a much different opinion of the Reno. I drove to the Suzuki dealer in my Elantra GT, so I had a pretty close comparison. IMO, there was no comparison. The Reno's engine was thrashy, the auto transmission was unreponsive, and the handling mushy compared to the Elantra. The interior was ok (its best feature IMO) and there was good room in the back seat, but I didn't see any advantage over the interior of the Elantra GLS or GT hatches, and I liked the fabric/leather on the Elantra better than on the Reno. Additionally, the switchgear was not nearly as smooth as that on the Elantra, and the Elantra has a larger cargo area. To top it off, there was no significant price advantage for the Reno with rebates considered. Plus the Elantra has a better warranty, a better reliability track record, and Suzuki dealers are few and far between (so dealer service is harder to come by). So I couldn't see any reason whatsoever to get a Reno.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    I thought the exterior body style of the Reno was great though; a real eye-catcher for me (as a hatchback lover).

    I am with you on this one, I just love hatchback cars!
    2 or 4 door sedan doesn't do anything for me!

    someone mentioned to me in a post, not sure if it is in this forum, but he said that getting the new hyundai accent hach was a no brainer versus the aveo. well I got my brochure in the mail yesterday and this seems like a good little car!! I also love the choice of bold colors! :)

    I was pretty set on getting a 4 door for pratical reasons but maybe it is worth giving it a "drive"!! :)

    what do you guys think about that new 2007 hyundai accent?

    "my" nissan dealer just receive "my" versa yesterday, might be going to test it this w/e ;) but for some reason, this car just leaves me " blah" dont know why but it just does :(
    i say "my" because he had to order a few and since we were already communicating about a versa, he sent me an email asking me which trim/color and tranny I would like and that he would order it according to it, since he had to order a couple anyways, i thought that was very nice of him to offer and to actually do it! :)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Definitely take the Accent for a drive--preferably the SE. Fun little car to drive, great handling. If you don't often put large adults in the back seat, it could be a good choice for you. The Versa's back seat is much better for big people.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    Heck, I can't put adults in my Elantra's back seat for long trips (then again, my sons are 6'-5" & 6'-4"...)
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    It's really more of a wagon, but the Chevy HHR is growing on me a bit. It's maybe a little larger and more expensive than most of the hatches discussed here, but I kind of like its retro, yet understated, styling. A friend has one and I've grown used to its looks. I think they did an especially nice job on the rear end and tail lights. Where the Caliber, for instance, has these round lights divided into quarters (which is just clunky design, imo), the HHR has a pair of true round lights on each side that are just plain circles (not divided in half or anything). I like the simplicity.

    It looks like a lot of car for the money. I haven't driven one though, so I really don't know.

    I almost hate to say it because I've never liked the brand, but Chevies are starting to grow on me. The Aveo was johnnie-on-the-spot- available in mass quantities when gas prices went up; the Cobalt sedan has transformed itself in my mind from a Cavalier follow-on to something that more resembles the Mazda3 sedan, and the HHR seems like a practical smallish family wagon.

    What's this world coming to? :confuse:
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I wouldn't want to put a big adult in the back of my Elantra for a long trip either. But I've had people 6'+ back there for 2-3 hour trips with no complaints. For the long trips, that's what my minivan is for. :)
  • knoxvilledavidknoxvilledavid Member Posts: 7
    I "found" my Reno in Oct '05. It seemed like a decent car with lots of extras when I test drove it and the folks at Oak Ridge Suzuki were great until I brought it in for service and they acted like I was complaining for nothing when I told them I couldn't get it started. I literally cranked the thing two dozen times one afternoon in the lot at work trying to get home for an appointment. I was so embarrassed about having been suckered into buying this car. I had owned an Alto (a mini car not imported to this country) fifteen years ago and loved it, so thought I'd go with another Suzuki. BIG MISTAKE!!!
    The fix for the starter problem resulted in a 10% reduction in already poor gas mileage, from 22 to 20 (I had gotten 17 over the exact same terrain with my '02 Silverado Reg Cab!) It also seems to have caused the engine to rev to 2500 and ease down for several seconds immediately upon starting it, definitely not something I wanted it to continue doing into the winter months! So they recently reprogrammed it to 2000 rpm. Is that normal starting rpm?
    I have gotten 35 mpg with this car on the highway, so it's a great car in that regard. But as I do most of my driving on hilly, twisty, and tight east Tennessee roads I have no confidence whatsoever in it's performance or handling.
    If you have an extra few grand and are wanting an AWD car, I would strongly suggest considering the Impreza wagon. I owned a FWD Impreza from '94 to '02 and it handled great!!! Plus it was RELIABLE. I spent no more than $500 on repairs until it hit 150,000 miles. Not even a brake job! But you do give up back seat space. I wish I had stuck with a good thing when I went back to a car after losing my Silverado. So far my Reno has had a new catalytic converter, and will soon get a new rack and a new cruise control switch. I'm wondering what will be next. Odds are the entire car will be replaced before it goes off warranty.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    wow! I am assuming buying a new Reno is out of the question for you??? :P

    I wanted a 4 doors because i have 2 big labs and a 10 yr old son, but we have a pick up truck that can accomodate us as well, so most of the time I would be by myself in the car. as long as the back seat is decent, my son would be OK.
  • knoxvilledavidknoxvilledavid Member Posts: 7
    The Reno came in dead last among seven competitors in a Car and Driver review. I'm sure it would've been even worse had more competitors been reviewed. Even the Hyundai Accent and Kia Rio beat it out and I do not consider those great cars.

    Like you, I was looking for room in a small package. I have kids and needed the room and Reno looked good "on paper". I felt like I did my due diligence at the time because no web sites discussed its quality problems in Oct '05. Since then it's been another story.

    An acquaintance of mine drove a new Grand Vitara for 7 days before its transmission went out. Suzuki comes in dead last in initial quality surveys. Now I know why!!!

    At this point, I would not consider buying anything Suzuki.
  • doohickiedoohickie Member Posts: 949
    I felt like I did my due diligence at the time because no web sites discussed its quality problems in Oct '05.

    I bought in October 05 and I didn't buy the Reno because of quality concerns I heard about on forums. Not so much here, but over on Suzuki-Forums.com. From that forum, I found this article where Suzuki blames Daewoo (makers of the Reno) for their reliability problems. It was published in August 05, and it wasn't so much the reliability problems themselves that scared me off; it was the way Suzuki pointed the finger at their "partner" without trying to put a positive PR spin on it as automakers typically do.

    Suzuki blaming poor initial quality scores on GM Daewoo-produced vehicles.

    A quote from the article:

    Suzuki had 151 problems per 100 vehicles in this year's study, up from 149 last year. The industry average was 118.

    "One reason for this, to be honest, is because we added (GM Daewoo) cars," Ono says.

    Among other steps, he says, they agreed to require GM Daewoo to review its engineering and suppliers. "Parts from suppliers are not always controlled well."

    GM Daewoo officials won't say what they're doing to remedy the problems with the cars GM Daewoo is building.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    hey guys, the CR issue for dec. 06 is out!
    they tested the Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Kia Rio, Nissan Versa and the Toyota Yaris
    (all 2007 and both sedan and hatchback)
    this is basically all the cars that are discussed on this forum.

    anyways, the ONLY one the recommended was the FIT.
    i guess you have to buy the magazine to get the full evaluation.

    not sure I agree with everything they said but it was still interesting to read!
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I'm not surprised they recommended only the Fit for now. They typically only recommend cars that have an Average or better reliability record. Most of these cars are too new to have a record. The Fit is a five-year-old design and is known to be reliable, so I guess CR figured it was safe to assume the car would be reliable in its North American incarnation.
  • kirbybunnykirbybunny Member Posts: 3
    Hello,
    I am in the market to buy an Elantra GT hatchback. I was looking at used ones, but found a dealer that has 1 new 06 left. It is an AT, with no extra options (like ABS or sunroof). The invoice according to Edmunds is $15,692, and the dealer is offering a $1000 rebate. Now reading this forum, I see where people have gotten their cars for around $14,000. Would a dealer sell under invoice? Sorry, I'm new at the whole car buying experience. Just looking for some advice on what price to shoot for. ANY help would be appreciated. Thanks! :)
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    yeah, that would make sense but what about the Yaris? correct me if iam wrong but it has been in the asian market for a few yrs? and the versa called tidia (or something like that) in asia, also been on the market over there for a few yrs.
    the versa got a really poor note on breaks BTW.
    from what i remember in the tests, the other cars did not score that bad overall but they just recomended the Fit, which is THE most expensive of the group :mad:
    the more I shop around, the more I am undecided ! :confuse:
    If i was to buy today, i'd get a used honda element ex AWD! not a hacht but i would sure "Fit" ;) all my needs!
  • tsgeiseltsgeisel Member Posts: 352
    Ordinarily, possibly yes, but...

    The benefits you have going for you are: It's an '06 with '07s out. It doesn't have the sunroof package (which I'm loving). It's still unsold.

    The problem you have is that the new '07s don't come in a hatchback, so the dealership can sort-of afford to hold onto it, until they find someone who has to have a hatchback (like me).

    It's worth trying to go under invoice, but don't be disappointed if the dealership doesn't play along.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    The Yaris has been in other countries for awhile but not the current Yaris, which is a re-design. The Fit's been in its present form for five years. The Versa/Tiida has not been out that long (a year?) in other countries.

    I think the Versa SL with CVT was the most expensive car in the test, but I am going on heresay. It makes sense though, if the Fit Sport they tested was a stick.

    An Element?!? Well, different strokes for different folks I guess...
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    from what I am reading, they tested the Fit sport version.
    when you look at the articles, the prices ranges are
    13,850/15,170 for the fit
    12,550/14,550 for the versa
    that's why i said the Fit was the most expensive one.
    but if you go at the comparision table then the versa is quoted at 16,675?!
    anyways, the Fit still the only one the recommend.

    on another note, even if it does "fit" this forum, I always loved the Element since it came out. I just happen to like the boxy style! I owned a wrangler for yrs, then a cherokee (both box like) i was considering the xB and if i'd win the lottery, i'd get myself a nice H3. i dont know why but the square/box shape is just very appealing to me. ;)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    The actual prices-as-tested are quoted in the comparison table. The other table gives base prices.

    CR actually recommends the Fit, xB, and Focus ZX3 (but only the Fit was tested this time). They will recommend the Versa, Rio, and Accent if they achieve at least an Average predicted reliability rating in the future.

    Because there were both sedans and hatches reviewed, I put my overall impressions into the Low-End cars discussion, here:

    backy, "Low End Sedans (under $16k)" #3704, 6 Nov 2006 9:17 am
  • aladdinsanealaddinsane Member Posts: 182
    I just read a tidbit in the December issue of Motor Trend magazine concerning the fate of the '08 Focus 3 and 5 dr Liftbacks: They're out. The revised lineup will include a new coupe and, I assume, a sedan. The wagon will also be 86ed, so to speak. IMHO I believe Ford is only adding another mis-step to the many they've committed already by eliminating the Liftbacks and wagon. This is a stupid move by Ford, unless their new "B" car, which is still in limbo, will include a Liftback series.

    Dumb move, only getting dumber, Ford! :mad:

    Peace! ;)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I agree, that is a dumb move by Ford. I see a lot of Focus hatches and wagons around. The Focus wagon is one of the few small wagons available.
  • tsgeiseltsgeisel Member Posts: 352
    Hatchbacks are the most expensive configuration of many cars that have such options. The Mazdaspeed3 is built on the *hatch* platform, not the sedan platform. The Fit (proving to be popular) doesn't even come in a sedan/coupe model.

    And Ford gets rid of the hatch option.

    Gee...Ford is in trouble. I wonder why?
  • randydriverrandydriver Member Posts: 262
    I love the Focus 3-door.....I see them everywhere. My brother has a 2005 yellow 5-speed and he loves it..but he hates the sedan. I see more 3 doors than I do the sedan in my neck of the woods. Where is this new small car, Ford is setting on to long, supose to be.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    i went test driving all 3 cars this w/e and figured i could share my impressions with you guys :)
    nothing extensive, just my honest opinion, coming from a regular 35 yrs old gal :)

    scion xA
    basically, we loved it! the look is great and we really liked the "go-kart" feel to it when driving . we tested the auto tranny. we did noticed that it was "moving" a bit in the strong winds we had here saturday, but considering the size of the car, that is to be expected. it had more "get-up" and go that we expected, after driving the xB this summer (feels totally different even if they have the same engine).
    it was also pretty quiet at 70 mph, again considering the car!
    the inside is well designed and confortable. it has a roomy feel to it. 4 doors is a plus. the seats are on the "hard" side but ok. the quality is all over and i would not be embarassed to drive one.
    overall, this car is a lot of fun!!!

    the yaris

    2 words: big disappointment

    the car sure looks cute inside and out but is it SMALL.
    again, we tried the auto tranny.
    the driving impression was nice though, the yaris seemed a little bit more solid on the road then the xA.
    we loved the sound of the door closing. really we had to do it like 3 times! ;) it sounded like a much, much bigger car and really felt solid.
    we were disappointed because...well, we cant put our finger on it but we just were.
    I felt cramped in it, maybe due to the fact that the doors come pretty "high"(if that makes sense) and i am only 5.4". I did not like the 2 doors either (not a fault of the car here) the salesman, a little guy BTW had a hard time getting back there but said the room was nice once he reclined the back seat a bit.
    it has no tach (annoying) and the center spedo did not look as nice as the xA.
    lots of cup holders,nooks and cranny and the seats were nice, black with liitle blue dots. the sitting positing was high and the seats were confortable.
    would we buy one? absolutely not.

    accent

    took the auto tranny (got to love them huh??!!) and I was really pleasantly surprised at the smooth ride.
    the siting position was quite lower than the yaris/xA but the seats were not as firm,
    ( dunno on the long run how that would do?)
    again, i did not like the 2 doors but that is not worse than any 2 doors car out there.
    the ride was pretty quiet, we did not noticed the wind as much in it and we drove the 3 cars within 90 minutes period of time and all on the same road.
    i liked the armrest even if it looked kinda cheap, at least it was there unlike the yaris /xA.
    my husband said about the accent that it was as fun as watching paint dry ( :surprise: ) but i firmly disagreed!
    i would say that the accent, the GS trim with a/c that we drove, felt more like an "adult" car than the 2 other ones and the ride was really pleasant.
    the plastics on the doors did seem cheap but the inside of the car looked fine but not as "hip" as the yaris/xA.
    the accent also comes in nice colors and the burgundy one looked real nice. the overall look of the car is great IMO.
    Hyundai accents sure came a long way!
    would I get one? yes if i did not have a kid. the 2 doors would not work for me.
    which made me re-consider the kia rio5 BTW ;)

    the next car we test drove was a 2006 honda element and even if it is not a hachtback, i,ll just say that I WANTED to like it because of all the room and goodies but after driving the small cars previously, I felt i was driving a big UPS truck. on the other hand, my husband LOVED, LOVED, LOVED it.

    my conclusion is that at this point, i would probably buy the xA. I am also happy to say that i am re-discovering the fun of driving a small car and i cant' wait to purchase!!
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    If you are going to get that xA, better jump on it before they go away (new model coming next year). I've found they are in short supply in my town.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    i agree and we did ask the salesman about that, knowing about the new model coming out. he did tell us what it was called but i forgot! he said that they should be available in the spring and the xa will be on the market till then.

    I am in kansas and luckily the supply is not short around here. If it would come to that no new xA would be avaible, i'd go with a sightly used one, that would not bother me.

    i know you are the one that told me about the new SX4 a while back, have you test drove one yet???
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    No, not yet. It's fallen down on my list because I don't really need AWD, so the trade-off in fuel economy would be hard for me to accept. I might take it for a drive when I get closer to buying, but I'm in no rush.
  • canuck785canuck785 Member Posts: 160
    i came across that article. pretty interesting!!!

    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10925/15000-cheap-skates.html
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    Except not every car tested was a hatchback :confuse:

    And, oh brother C & D :sick:
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