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  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I know what you mean robr2. However, despite what everyone says about Daewoos, ours ('99) with over 63K miles has been the most reliable and least expensive vehicle we ever owned. Luckily, my wife doesn't know how to drive a stick, so my Jag is safe for now (ha, ha).
  • pfogliapfoglia Member Posts: 3
    I recently took delivery of a new X-Type. I'd like to know if anyone has made any modifications to their car, who supplies performance parts for them, and what you did or plan to do to yours.

     

    This is a great, highly under-rated car. Thaks for your responses!
  • snowjagsnowjag Member Posts: 8
    Axiomlover,

     

    I live in Maryland and we have not had snow yet - it was about 70 degrees on New Years day. However, I will have the X-type out for the first snow storm to see how if performs. Ideally, I'd like to have it out in the fresh snow and then get it in the garage before the salt trucks make their way to the side roads.

     

    The X-type is some what of a paradox for me. It's geared for foul weather driving, i.e., having good traction in snow, slush, etc., yet it's a Jaguar with fine paint and thus must be sheltered. By the second snow storm I'll probably cut the apron strings and let the big dog eat.

     

    - SnowJag
  • snowjagsnowjag Member Posts: 8
    Pfoglia,

     

    I'd like to make mods to the car but the 4 year 50K mile warranty was a strong buying incentive. Back in the day, cars had a one year 12K warranty and guys could do stuff after a year of thinking about what would be cool to do with out warranty consequences. Is this a new downside of these longer warranties?

     

    -- SnowJag
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    You can make modifications to your vehicle if you want but keep the following in mind:

     

    the dealer does not have to do warranty repairs if they can prove that the modification was the direct cause of what you want repaired under warranty.

     

    The dealer does not have to restore the modification if it needs to be removed in order to do a warranty repair - ie the OEM head unit died through no fault of the aftermarket sub and satellite radio installed by an aftermarket shop. But the aftermarket shop spliced into and customized the OEM radio harness to install the equipment. It'll be out of your pocket to have the aftermarket shop hook it up again.

     

    The dealer does not have to do factory paid maintenance on a component that was installed aftermarket - ie replacing K&N filters, lubricating aftermarket suspension components, inspecting/adjusting aftermarket brakes, etc.

     

    These things were issues when warranties were shorter - it's just an issue for a longer time. BTW, how long has it been since you bought a new car? 12/12 warranties have been history for over 10 years now!! :)
  • cwjacobsencwjacobsen Member Posts: 293
    Hi Everyone,

     

    This may have come up before, and if so my apologies. We have had a couple of major cold snaps here lately and my wife's X-type's side windows refuse to unfog. It's an early build '02 3.0 purchased last summer so this is our first winter with the car. She tells me she's tried "every" climate control configuration and that the windows still refuse to clear.

     

    Has anyone else encountered this problem. and if so solved it? Thanks.

     

    CWJ
  • pfogliapfoglia Member Posts: 3
    Dear Snowjag:

    Thanks for your insight. My last new car was a 2000 Mercedes and I did some mods(K&N, exhaust, wheels, brakes). They also didn't involve the other issues with the car. The dealer recognized these modifications didn't impact the "problems" (a/c and electrical) and the ignored them .

     

    It's my understanding that under Magnuson-Mann Act, only those items directly effected by the alteration/s are non-warrantable/serviceable, like if I change the exhaust, the new mufflers won't be warranted by the factory but the cat is still "theirs".

     

    That's the premise I'm working under. Hopefully it will fly...

     

    Best regards!
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I noticed the same issue with my '04. When it is cold, the side windows do get foggy. There are two things you can do, which worked for me. You can direct the heat at your dashboard vents or windshield vents, but make sure your A/C is on and your fan speed is set pretty high. It doesn't take long to get rid of the fog, but it will get foggy again unless you keep the fan speed pretty high. I think the problem is that the side dashboard vents do not swing far enough towards the side windows. Let me know if you find a better solution. In the meantime, I will try to modify the vents to direct more heat directly onto the windows.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    It broke my heart to see my new Jag leave the showroom floor and enter the super salty streets of Chicago. However, I couldn't let a perfectly capable AWD machine stay in the garage all winter long. We got 12 inches of snow yesterday and the X ploughed through unshoveled driveway with an unbelievable ease. I went searching for large parking lots before they got ploughed to test the car's take off and braking in heavy snow. Needless to say, the only way to get stuck is if the car were to get suspended by its body. As long as the wheels are touching the ground, you can pretty much go through anything. I only wish I were able to switch off ABS as it takes much longer to stop in slippery conditions. I think the tires do a very good job in the snow, given their all-seasonality.

     

    As soon as the temperature outside rises, I will wash the car from salt. Does anybody have any suggestions as to preventing car wash scratch marks short of never taking it through an automatic car wash? What's your best (proven) technique for washing and drying the car without damaging the finish?
  • cwjacobsencwjacobsen Member Posts: 293
    Thank you Axiomlover. Closing the center vents, sending everything to the side vents and keeping the fan speed up does help.

     

    CWJ
  • tgilbertjagtgilbertjag Member Posts: 11
    Hello Everyone and thanks to all who read and respond to my questions. A few weeks ago, I posted that at speeds of 60 mph or higher I get a whining noise. It turns out Jaguar had to replace my Rear Diffs, and that seems to be fixed. HOWEVER, now ONLY between the speeds of 50 and 65, I hear a cyclical whining noise that sounds like it is coming from the front. It sounds like the wining from a motor, or maybe the driveshaft? It goes away below 50 mph and above 65. Has anyone else heard of or experienced this? Thank you all again.... todd
  • werewolfwerewolf Member Posts: 4
    Hi all,

     

    I've been looking over the edmunds site and it seems that the 2.5 x-type is pretty good value-for-money. What I am looking for is commentary (good and bad) about owning this vehicle including mechanical issues, cost of maintanence (outside of warranty) and other items (real-life MPG) to get a true value of ownership. I would need to drive this vehicle in cold-weather some of the time (skiing, family in MN), so I am particularly interested in feedback about ice-snow driving situations. Also whether you get flack (keying, vandalism) about owning a jag like you might get for owning a BMW. Thanks for your help!

     

    Specs I was thinking of:

    2004 x-type BRC

    2.5L engine

    manual tranny

    sports package
  • tincup47tincup47 Member Posts: 1,508
    I have a 2003 X-Type 2.5 manual non-sport package. I bought this vehicle in August 2003. The vehicle currently has 24,500 miles on it and has been very reliable. The only warranty issues I have had are replacing the defroster vents at the 20,000 mile service because they had warped slightly and a burnt out tail lite bulb at 22,000 miles. I normally get 22-24 MPG with my daily commute and have gotten over 28 MPG on highway trips at 75-80 MPH.

      This vehicle is fantastic in snow and ice. Cost of maintenance has yet to be an issue as I have another 25,000 miles to go before the warranty is gone.

      This vehicle continues to be a joy to drive and I would readily buy another in the future.
  • tgilbertjagtgilbertjag Member Posts: 11
    I just about a 3.0 from Downtown Jag in Minneapolis and so far a like it. I have had some issues, like the rear diffs replaced, front rotors replaced, gas cap replaced, and front defroster vents fixed. Mostly minor. My only issue is I live in the south metro and the only dealership is there in Minneapolis, so it is a haul to get it fixed. I bought used with 6000 miles and got a 6 year 100000 mile warranty, so hopefully other than tires or brakes should not be too expensive......
  • desertguydesertguy Member Posts: 730
    Buy from a Jaguar dealer and get a Select Edition warranty. It is good for 6 years, 100,000 miles. I would not have a Jag out of warranty. Car is terrific in the snow & slick.
  • pugger1pugger1 Member Posts: 42
    I have an 03 X-type manual with 22,000 miles. The only real problem I have encountered is an intermittent howl in the right rear wheel. The dealership is checking into the problem and will call when they find a solution. I hear the howl very seldom and because it has been reported to the dealership I am not really worried at this point in time.

    The car is a hoot to drive on snow and ice and even more fun on dry pavement. Gas mileage on the interstate tops 30mpg and if I mix town and country I get around 25mpg, I could get better but I do not baby the car. Sporty car should be driven in a sporty way!
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Member Posts: 3,855
    I just asked a dealer today if the new $3500 incentive on 2.5 would apply if we ordered a 2.5 with automatic. He told me that the 2.5 has been discontinued (at least for the US).
  • yoreet1yoreet1 Member Posts: 10
    Jeffyscott:

    Could you tell more about new $3500 incentive program for X-type? Do you have the link?
  • desertguydesertguy Member Posts: 730
    Edmunds shows the $3500 cash to dealer on the 2.5 manual only.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Member Posts: 3,855
    The $3500 is cash to dealer marketing support. It is for the 2.5 only...automatic is an option for that, but I was told by a dealer last year that Jaguar never applied incentives to the 2.5 w/auto...I was trying to find out if that was really true. I had not really checked into that last year as there were no auto 2.5s we wanted available at the time anyway.

     

    My understanding of what the dealer told me the other day is no more 2.5s of any kind are being built (at least for the US). Since my wife wants an automatic and does not like a couple of things that the 3.0 forces on you...looks like we will not be buying an x-type.

     

    Here is link to the incentive, in case you are not aware of where Edmunds puts this valuable information:

     

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/jaguar/xtype/100473390/incentives- .html?vdp=off&setzip=53089&state=WI&tid=edmunds.n.inc- entivesmip.incentives.3.5.Jaguar*
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I know what you are saying about the whining noise, tgilbertjag! In my '04 2.5 Man. the unusual whining does not begin until you hit 70 mph and magically disappears once you drop below 70. There is some whine you can hear at lower speeds, but I would consider it normal, given it is an AWD. My car is at the dealership right now being checked out. The mechanic drove with me this morning and was able to hear the whine over 70 and admitted it wasn't normal. He said that the first thing he would check is the propshaft and its balance, then the tires. I test drove 4 different X-types (both 3.0 and 2.5) before I bought mine and each of them had some sort of whining noise at speeds of 45-55, especially when slightly accelarating and one of the mechanics said that the AWD system on our X-type is not as quiet as the one used in some Japanese brands and some whine should be expected. I will let you know what the dealership discovers.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I only have 900 miles on my 2.5 manual and I got 20.2 mpg. I consider it great as driving the same routes around Chicago in my Isuzu Axiom, I was lucky to get 13.5 mpg. Considering it is 6 degrees F outside and cold starts consume a lot of gas, I am very happy with the 20.2.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I have just gotten a phone call from the dealership - they replaced the propshaft and are waiting for another rubber part due in tomorrow. I will let you know if the whine issue is fixed when I get my X back.
  • oldengineeroldengineer Member Posts: 22
    I bought a new X-Type 2.5 automatic in May '03. Have had no issues with the car. It's fantastic in snow, ice, and heavy rain storms. So far I've put about 22K on the car. It's gets about 26 - 28 MPG on trips. Outside of the free 10k services done by the dealer, I've been changing my own oil and rotating my own tires at 5K intervals. The car does attract a lot of attention because they're fairly rare and very elegant looking. I test drove the 325i and the baby Benz and they just don't compare with the Jag in my opinion.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I came across this article from Consumer Guide regarding the reasons behind using Premium gasoline, buying gas at "brand" stations, etc. I hope you find it interesting.

     

    http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/editorial/features/index.cfm/a- ct/feature21
  • tgilbertjagtgilbertjag Member Posts: 11
    I took mine back to the dealer and they said that the rear diffs were still noisy and that was what I was hearing. They are now trying to find a set that are not. Apparently this is a wide spread issue with Jaguar according to them. When you say propshaft, is that the same as the drive shaft?

    I will let you know what I find out. Thanks Axiom.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I picked my X-Type from the dealership where they replaced the driveshaft (same as propshaft), but the noise at 70mph and above is still there, no difference. There is no way in hell a Jaguar should sound like that, especially that it is quiet and smooth, otherwise. I will have them replace the differential and/or tires if they have to, but I simply cannot accept this pounding, grinding, cyclical noise. The mechanic definitely heard the noise, but replaced only the driveshaft as that was recommended in the bulletin on drivetrain noise. When I bring my X back to the dealership, I will take a loaner (another X-Type) and test it thoroughly for any noises at different speeds.

     

    Common Jaguar, you can do better than that!
  • tgilbertjagtgilbertjag Member Posts: 11
    My dealer is 100% sure it is the diffs. They are now test driving several new 2005's and are going to find ones that are quiet and put them on mine. They did that last week for another customer and that was what it took. Must be they got a sweet deal on this piece of crap diffs.. The loaner they gave me to use is also an xtype and it sound worse than mine... I should have mine back on Monday and will update you. Thanks again
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    The last 5 years I drove a Subaru with Bridgestone Blizzaks, and now this is my 1st year with the X-Type and its Continental all-seasons.

    I've fishtailed a little accelerating and I really only have about 50% of the confidence cornering and braking on snow or ice as when I had the Subaru. I can't imagine how poor those tires will be after they have 20K-30K miles of wear on them.

    Next year I'm getting snows. If you drive on snow or ice frequently, make the change.
  • tgilbertjagtgilbertjag Member Posts: 11
    So, they found a new 2005 that made NO noise and took those diffs and put it on mine. Surprise Surprise, IT Still Makes Noise. Apparently Jaguar just on Monday issued a bulletin with a new Noise Shield that covers the entire drive train. It is 5 feet long by 2 feet wide and this is their fix. They are installing today. I guess we shall see. I think my next move though is to look at the lemon law. The car has been in teh shop for 30 days out of hte first 3 months I have owned it. Just doesnt seem right!!!!!
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    After the replacement of the driveshaft (supposedly I had an old version), the pounding, cyclical, humming, grinding or whining noise that we have been referring to is still there, just as it was on day one. Without looking at the speedometer, I can tell you when I reach 70mph or when I slow to below 70mph, based solely on that annoying noise.

     

    The dealer is installing the shield that tgilbertjag is talking about on my X-Type right now, but I doubt that will help. Apparently the differential is not the issue as proven by tgilbertjag in Post #2089. Now, what really bugs me is the fact that I picked up a loaner this morning (2004 X-Type 3.0, automatic), which was manufactured the same month as mine, but it is absolutely quiet at 70mph and above, which proves that the noise is NOT NORMAL. The mechanic that worked on my car said that there is only so much that he can do and investigate with this noise. If the known remedies according to the bulletin do not help, they will need to call a field specialist who will test drive my car with me and decide on the course of action based on his findings. This is becoming cumbersome and very inconvenient.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    So, my X-type is on its second day at the dealership being checked for noise at 70 mph. Supposedly they have it hooked up to some sort of noise analyzing equipment. We will see. In the meantime, I have been enjoying the 3.0 loaner, which has been a blast to drive. Here are some differences I noticed between my 2.5 and this 3.0:

    - The 17 inch 225 wheels give much better grip in the snow and on wet surface and they take potholes less harshly than the 16 inch 205s that I have on my 2.5.

    - I like the way the wood-covered steering wheel feels.

    - The 3.0 has some serious power behind it, although the automatic transmission is not as refined as I would expect. Merging into the expressway is like being launched from a catapult and you reach 100 mph before the transmission hits 4th gear.

    - Fuel economy is noticeably worse than the 2.5 in city driving.

     

    Conclusion: While the 3.0 is very exhilarating to drive, the 2.5 with manual still manages to blend sportiness, smoothness and good fuel economy.
  • psmoverpsmover Member Posts: 1
    Unfortunately a tree recently fell on my wife’s 2003 X-Type and totaled it, so now we are getting ready to purchase a new 2005 X-Type and I was wondering if the have been able to improve the AM radio reception on in the newer cars. My wife’s 2003 X-Type got the worst AM reception of any vehicle I have ever been in, has this been fixed??
  • jimmy jjimmy j Member Posts: 3
    I just bought a 04 X in Rochester NY and the whine noise has been there since new. Let me know if there is anything to be done for this. Tks
  • desertguydesertguy Member Posts: 730
    Guess you are trying to drum up business for another board. The F Type was cancelled three years ago. Jaguar has no money to spend, Ford won't spend much on Jaguar so dream on. And, it wouldn't replace the XType anyway.
  • zillzzillz Member Posts: 21
    I am a VW guy, but confess that I have always loved the looks of Jaguars. The current X-type would be the only Jag I could afford, and it would be a used one at that. However, I've heard that these will be discontinued in 2007. Does anybody know of this? I may be interested in these X-types, but certainly NOT if they are only going to made for 2 more years.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    The dealer replaced the drive shaft, but the whining noise is still there. I think the problem is in the differential. The mechanic and his service adviser supposedly drove three other 2004 X-Types to compare the noises and surprisingly they were all louder than mine (I did not participate in this test, though). Apparently loud drivetrain noises and whine are a very common problem. Just search all forums using the word "whine" and you will get 10 pages of complaints related to drive train noises in various brands and models, although I did not see Mercedes, BMW or Audi mentioned. It is just very disappointing that Jaguar couldn't perfect its drivetrain. It is possible that some of us are very sensitive to any noises that shouldn't be there, especially when driving a Jaguar. The Company is certainly aware of the problem, the best example of that is a shield that they installed to the bottom of the vehicle above the drive shaft to quiet it down. I guess this is their solution to the whine issue. So, trying to persuade the dealer to fix these noises is like asking them to correct the issues that Jaguar (or Ford) engineers couldn't fix.

    I have just come back from a 2,500-mile vacation trip from Chicago to South Carolina and back. The X-Type performed well with a cumulative gas mileage of 26 mpg, including cold starts, some city driving and a trip through Smoky Mountains. For the most part I was driving at 85mph, but at times reached 90 or even 95. On a short (70 miles) stretch I drove no faster than 65mph and the mileage for that distance came out at 31.5 mpg (not bad). For a 2.5 liter 5-speed, the car was very satisfying to drive through Smoky Mountains and its power felt adequate. Even on a steep highway uphill distances, where the semi-trucks were doing 30mph with emergency lights on, I was cruising at 80mph on the fifth gear. The 2.5 is not a rocket like the 3.0, but its power is quite sufficient for most applications. So, other than the annoying drive train whine (which if not corrected may persuade me to get rid of this Jaguar quicker than I thought), it is a fine automobile. The seats were also comfortable as I did not feel fatigue after 6 hours of continuous driving. The oil consumption over the first 4,000 miles of driving this vehicle is negligible and the oil still looks light and clean. I still don't like the stiffness of the clutch. It takes more muscle than it should to depress it. I recently went to the Chicago Auto Show and tried the clutch in any manual-transmission car on the floor. The X-types' clutch feels the stiffest of all, even when compared to the Kias, Chevys and even the muscular Mustang. You should try the clutch in a BMW 325, it gives out so little resistance! It must be a pleasure to drive. Anyway, let me know what you think of my observations, especially if you share them.
  • xkssxkss Member Posts: 722
    Sales of the X-Type have been very poor lately. I hope they drop it.
  • desertguydesertguy Member Posts: 730
    Well I just gave their sales a boost by purchasing one today. New '05 sport. Love it!
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    Welcome to the family! What color and what options did you get? How much did it set you back?
  • desertguydesertguy Member Posts: 730
    Hi axiomlover: Well actually I've been in the family for the past 38 months. I bought an '02 when they first came out and had almost no problems with it. Lease was up and I turned it in as the residual was too high to purchase and there is no negotiation with Jaguar Credit. My spouse cried and cried when her baby left so I broke down and got another. Got to stay away from those dealers!

    They have a special on 3.0 cars with sunroof at $399 per mo. BUT......on the floor was a really gorgeous 3.0 Sport. It is platinum with black leather and alcantra seats with perforated inserts. The sport package includes suspension, dynamic stability control, 18" Aruba wheels with Parelli PZeros, black upper and lower mesh grills, lower side sills and big exhaust tips. The car also has the X1 prem pack and heated seats, reverse park and a carbon fiber dash.

    Couldn't resist. Sticker is 41K. I told them if they could lease it to me at the $399 for 39 months I would take it. We are driving it now. It is a head turner. BTW, they had several 2.5 manuals with sunroof for $23,xxx. I would snap one of those up in a second if my wife would put up with the manual. What a steal!
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    Those Sport packages are really nice, especially with the 18" wheels, mesh and lower fascia. Congrats on a nice deal! $41thd sticker is no small change, but $399 per month makes it so much easier to own. Did you notice any significant changes/improvements from the '02 model you used to drive? How is the drivetrain noise?
  • desertguydesertguy Member Posts: 730
    I'll keep the board posted if I have issues with drive train noise etc. Biggest improvement that I notice right off the bat is TWO cup holders instead of my previous one. No more fights with the spouse to see who gets the one & who has to hold the sweaty cup.:-) Fortunately, my '02 was trouble free and I'm hoping this one will be to. I am not sold on the carbon fiber dash as I really like the wood. Also, I have not heard much positive about the Perelli PZero Nero tires. They handle great in the dry but tread life is not so good. And they are expensive.
  • oldengineeroldengineer Member Posts: 22
    I agree with your observations. I have an 03 X-Type 2.5 automatic - now with 23K on it. I've found the power more than adequate, and, my gas mileage on long trips is comparable to yours. Mine had a drive train noise problem - a droning, booming noise at idle and at about 3ooo rpm. The dealer replaced the torque converter flex plate, and, that eliminated it. One other strange thing about mine - just after its 20K service visit, I took the car on a long business trip, and, noticed that it was making noticably more power than before. The dealer and I have no idea why, but, I'm certainly enjoying the extra ooomp its got now.

    Regards:
    Oldengineer
  • postoakpostoak Member Posts: 537
    on the X-type, please. Why does Edmunds have "Production Limited" next to the 2.5L manual and the 3.0L automatic? Will there be a 2006 3.0L automatic?
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Member Posts: 3,855
    Dealer told me back in Jan. that the 2.5 was no longer being produced, or at least no longer being shipped to the US. (Therefore, we are no longer interested in Jaguar and :-P to snobs of Jaguar USA)

    Don't know anything about the 3.0, though.
  • carguy8532carguy8532 Member Posts: 7
    Hi, I was considering purchasing a 2002 X-type 2.5 sport with a manual. I was told it takes premium fuel but I didn't understand why as the Contour, Mystique, and Cougar that shared the same 2.5 Duratec ran on regular. I wouldn't care about the performance decrease as long as the car didn't start knocking or the check engine light didn't come on. The only reason I don't want to purchase the car is the gasoline issue. I already own 2 cars that require premium and with gas getting more and more expensive it seems dumb to buy another premium fuel car. If someone has any input on if I can run the car with regular please let me know. Thanks
  • postoakpostoak Member Posts: 537
    Anybody have any update on the whining drivetrain problems that their cars have?
  • postoakpostoak Member Posts: 537
    I did some digging on the WWW and found this article:

    http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news/2005/02/08/025948.html

    Yes, the 2.5 is going away. The 3.0 line is actually being expanded, with a wagon and an upscale van den Plas option. Diesels are being added to the line up as well. I think this is all good news. $23,000 Jaguars are not a good idea for Jaguar or for those who want the Jaguar name to carry some cachet.
  • axiomloveraxiomlover Member Posts: 216
    I agree with you that $23,000 Jaguars may not be a good idea for the image (mine was actually $21.7K), but at the same time I am happy I got an opportunity to own one at an early age. It is amazing how many looks I get on the street. I have a Salsa Red, which is pretty visible. In my 2-month ownership time frame, I got three "Awesome Jag" shout outs from pedestrians, not to mention the double looks from others. It feels great that the Jaguar image still lives on!
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