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This is a great, highly under-rated car. Thaks for your responses!
I live in Maryland and we have not had snow yet - it was about 70 degrees on New Years day. However, I will have the X-type out for the first snow storm to see how if performs. Ideally, I'd like to have it out in the fresh snow and then get it in the garage before the salt trucks make their way to the side roads.
The X-type is some what of a paradox for me. It's geared for foul weather driving, i.e., having good traction in snow, slush, etc., yet it's a Jaguar with fine paint and thus must be sheltered. By the second snow storm I'll probably cut the apron strings and let the big dog eat.
- SnowJag
I'd like to make mods to the car but the 4 year 50K mile warranty was a strong buying incentive. Back in the day, cars had a one year 12K warranty and guys could do stuff after a year of thinking about what would be cool to do with out warranty consequences. Is this a new downside of these longer warranties?
-- SnowJag
the dealer does not have to do warranty repairs if they can prove that the modification was the direct cause of what you want repaired under warranty.
The dealer does not have to restore the modification if it needs to be removed in order to do a warranty repair - ie the OEM head unit died through no fault of the aftermarket sub and satellite radio installed by an aftermarket shop. But the aftermarket shop spliced into and customized the OEM radio harness to install the equipment. It'll be out of your pocket to have the aftermarket shop hook it up again.
The dealer does not have to do factory paid maintenance on a component that was installed aftermarket - ie replacing K&N filters, lubricating aftermarket suspension components, inspecting/adjusting aftermarket brakes, etc.
These things were issues when warranties were shorter - it's just an issue for a longer time. BTW, how long has it been since you bought a new car? 12/12 warranties have been history for over 10 years now!!
This may have come up before, and if so my apologies. We have had a couple of major cold snaps here lately and my wife's X-type's side windows refuse to unfog. It's an early build '02 3.0 purchased last summer so this is our first winter with the car. She tells me she's tried "every" climate control configuration and that the windows still refuse to clear.
Has anyone else encountered this problem. and if so solved it? Thanks.
CWJ
Thanks for your insight. My last new car was a 2000 Mercedes and I did some mods(K&N, exhaust, wheels, brakes). They also didn't involve the other issues with the car. The dealer recognized these modifications didn't impact the "problems" (a/c and electrical) and the ignored them .
It's my understanding that under Magnuson-Mann Act, only those items directly effected by the alteration/s are non-warrantable/serviceable, like if I change the exhaust, the new mufflers won't be warranted by the factory but the cat is still "theirs".
That's the premise I'm working under. Hopefully it will fly...
Best regards!
As soon as the temperature outside rises, I will wash the car from salt. Does anybody have any suggestions as to preventing car wash scratch marks short of never taking it through an automatic car wash? What's your best (proven) technique for washing and drying the car without damaging the finish?
CWJ
I've been looking over the edmunds site and it seems that the 2.5 x-type is pretty good value-for-money. What I am looking for is commentary (good and bad) about owning this vehicle including mechanical issues, cost of maintanence (outside of warranty) and other items (real-life MPG) to get a true value of ownership. I would need to drive this vehicle in cold-weather some of the time (skiing, family in MN), so I am particularly interested in feedback about ice-snow driving situations. Also whether you get flack (keying, vandalism) about owning a jag like you might get for owning a BMW. Thanks for your help!
Specs I was thinking of:
2004 x-type BRC
2.5L engine
manual tranny
sports package
This vehicle is fantastic in snow and ice. Cost of maintenance has yet to be an issue as I have another 25,000 miles to go before the warranty is gone.
This vehicle continues to be a joy to drive and I would readily buy another in the future.
The car is a hoot to drive on snow and ice and even more fun on dry pavement. Gas mileage on the interstate tops 30mpg and if I mix town and country I get around 25mpg, I could get better but I do not baby the car. Sporty car should be driven in a sporty way!
Could you tell more about new $3500 incentive program for X-type? Do you have the link?
My understanding of what the dealer told me the other day is no more 2.5s of any kind are being built (at least for the US). Since my wife wants an automatic and does not like a couple of things that the 3.0 forces on you...looks like we will not be buying an x-type.
Here is link to the incentive, in case you are not aware of where Edmunds puts this valuable information:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/jaguar/xtype/100473390/incentives- .html?vdp=off&setzip=53089&state=WI&tid=edmunds.n.inc- entivesmip.incentives.3.5.Jaguar*
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/editorial/features/index.cfm/a- ct/feature21
I will let you know what I find out. Thanks Axiom.
Common Jaguar, you can do better than that!
I've fishtailed a little accelerating and I really only have about 50% of the confidence cornering and braking on snow or ice as when I had the Subaru. I can't imagine how poor those tires will be after they have 20K-30K miles of wear on them.
Next year I'm getting snows. If you drive on snow or ice frequently, make the change.
The dealer is installing the shield that tgilbertjag is talking about on my X-Type right now, but I doubt that will help. Apparently the differential is not the issue as proven by tgilbertjag in Post #2089. Now, what really bugs me is the fact that I picked up a loaner this morning (2004 X-Type 3.0, automatic), which was manufactured the same month as mine, but it is absolutely quiet at 70mph and above, which proves that the noise is NOT NORMAL. The mechanic that worked on my car said that there is only so much that he can do and investigate with this noise. If the known remedies according to the bulletin do not help, they will need to call a field specialist who will test drive my car with me and decide on the course of action based on his findings. This is becoming cumbersome and very inconvenient.
- The 17 inch 225 wheels give much better grip in the snow and on wet surface and they take potholes less harshly than the 16 inch 205s that I have on my 2.5.
- I like the way the wood-covered steering wheel feels.
- The 3.0 has some serious power behind it, although the automatic transmission is not as refined as I would expect. Merging into the expressway is like being launched from a catapult and you reach 100 mph before the transmission hits 4th gear.
- Fuel economy is noticeably worse than the 2.5 in city driving.
Conclusion: While the 3.0 is very exhilarating to drive, the 2.5 with manual still manages to blend sportiness, smoothness and good fuel economy.
I have just come back from a 2,500-mile vacation trip from Chicago to South Carolina and back. The X-Type performed well with a cumulative gas mileage of 26 mpg, including cold starts, some city driving and a trip through Smoky Mountains. For the most part I was driving at 85mph, but at times reached 90 or even 95. On a short (70 miles) stretch I drove no faster than 65mph and the mileage for that distance came out at 31.5 mpg (not bad). For a 2.5 liter 5-speed, the car was very satisfying to drive through Smoky Mountains and its power felt adequate. Even on a steep highway uphill distances, where the semi-trucks were doing 30mph with emergency lights on, I was cruising at 80mph on the fifth gear. The 2.5 is not a rocket like the 3.0, but its power is quite sufficient for most applications. So, other than the annoying drive train whine (which if not corrected may persuade me to get rid of this Jaguar quicker than I thought), it is a fine automobile. The seats were also comfortable as I did not feel fatigue after 6 hours of continuous driving. The oil consumption over the first 4,000 miles of driving this vehicle is negligible and the oil still looks light and clean. I still don't like the stiffness of the clutch. It takes more muscle than it should to depress it. I recently went to the Chicago Auto Show and tried the clutch in any manual-transmission car on the floor. The X-types' clutch feels the stiffest of all, even when compared to the Kias, Chevys and even the muscular Mustang. You should try the clutch in a BMW 325, it gives out so little resistance! It must be a pleasure to drive. Anyway, let me know what you think of my observations, especially if you share them.
They have a special on 3.0 cars with sunroof at $399 per mo. BUT......on the floor was a really gorgeous 3.0 Sport. It is platinum with black leather and alcantra seats with perforated inserts. The sport package includes suspension, dynamic stability control, 18" Aruba wheels with Parelli PZeros, black upper and lower mesh grills, lower side sills and big exhaust tips. The car also has the X1 prem pack and heated seats, reverse park and a carbon fiber dash.
Couldn't resist. Sticker is 41K. I told them if they could lease it to me at the $399 for 39 months I would take it. We are driving it now. It is a head turner. BTW, they had several 2.5 manuals with sunroof for $23,xxx. I would snap one of those up in a second if my wife would put up with the manual. What a steal!
Regards:
Oldengineer
Don't know anything about the 3.0, though.
http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news/2005/02/08/025948.html
Yes, the 2.5 is going away. The 3.0 line is actually being expanded, with a wagon and an upscale van den Plas option. Diesels are being added to the line up as well. I think this is all good news. $23,000 Jaguars are not a good idea for Jaguar or for those who want the Jaguar name to carry some cachet.