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tidester, host
Dealer 1) The dealership is a pit, legs are at odd angles on the desks. Im at the dealership around 2.5 hours and ask if there is something to drink about 1.5 hours in, was told to goto the local gas station. They try utterly lowballing my tradein which jacked my payment up about $40/month. NOT.
Dealer 2) Dealership is in much better condition than Dealer 1, and they even ask if I would like something to drink. I was there about 2.5 hours again and left a $1000 deposit on a Midnight Blue 2004 GLS 3.5 4WD with moonroof. They had lowballed the numbers and actually didn't do too badly on the trade. I get a call today that they hadn't bothered to put a hold on the GLS which was at another dealership so it had been sold and there aren't any other GLS's with moonroof in the area.
Dealer 3) Only talked on the phone but they insist they have 3.5L 4WD GLS's with moonroof. Maybe tomorrow I will go visit them.
Buying a Hyundai is being a royal PITA.
Dealer 3) Dealership is about 1.25 hours away. Luckily I was able to get somebody to check the lot and they verified that there were NO GLS's specd the way I wanted.
I bought a Mazda Tribute. So much for Hyundai's
2WD vs. 4WD? We live in East Tennessee and don't have all that much snow. How much benefit is there for rainy weather in having 4WD? We have never owned anything that had 4WD. We would plan on keeping the Santa Fe for a while-probably our daughter will start driving it in about 2 1/2 years when she starts college.
What about the leather seats? They sound wonderful at this time of year when the heat option, but how is leather in the summer? I have some uncomfortable childhood memories of bare legs sticking to vinyl seats in the car we had then. As you can guess, neither of us have ever owned a car with leather seats.
Any advice on these 2 things and also on a fair price to pay for this vehicle would be greatly appreciated, especially if you live anywhere around this area. We live in Knoxville.
FWD vs. AWD - In your situation I'd suggest that FWD would be perfectly fine for you. Even in the snow the FWD with traction control has never gotten us stuck. The 2.7L engine in the Santa Fe is marginally underpowered for the size of the vehicle. This is a bigger problem on the AWD model, since it's heavier and has more driveline friction than the FWD model. I test drove both an AWD and FWD model and the AWD was noticably slower. The FWD gets somewhat better gas mileage. If you do get AWD go with the 3.5L engine and learn to live with somewhat poor mileage.
The leather is actually quite nice. I didn't want it but as this is my wife's car I let her make that call. The leather is perforated and breathes pretty well in the summer, so it doesn't stick to your legs. Boy are the bun warmers ever nice to have in the winter. Only problem is that my wife has decreed that every car we ever buy from now on is going to have to have them, so consider yourself warned!
Can't tell you much about pricing as we bought ours 3 years and 43k miles ago. You get a lot of car for the money, though.
Good luck!
-Jason
The problem with going up to the 3.5 and also AWD is that now you have an SUV that's not much cheaper and gets the same gas mileage as some other bigger competition.
As far as the leather goes, the Jeep had leather and my wife said "Never again". Hot in the summer, freezing cold in the winter. Seat warmers helped, but she had had enough. The Santa Fe has cloth which she loves.
Anyhow, here are the specifics on the price I paid: 2.7liter, ABS, 6 disc changer, moonroof, roof rails. Paid $21,800 after $500 rebate in Langhorne, Pa.
Best of luck.
Jaserb, I find it interesting also that you would be thinking about the MPV. We have loved both of our MPV's but with one child getting ready to drive (in May) and another one not that far off, we are ready to leave the minivan scene behind. The times we are together in a vehicle are becoming fewer and further between every day. Make sure you check out the message boards about the MPV-there are transmission problems in some of the models. We have had only one problem in 40,000 miles. It is great when your kids are younger, but keep in mind that as they start to get older, it is a small van. Leg room in the 2nd row is an issue for my son and he is just 5'4".I would definitely get traction control and rear air and the larger wheels if they still offer 2 sizes. The ride is much better.
We like the MPV because it's very space efficient for its size and my wife hates driving big vehicles - she made me promise to never make her drive a Suburban. She still loves the Santa Fe to pieces and it's held up really well so far.
-Jason
accessory group 4 (ABS)
tow hitch
front and rear mudguards
cargo trays
The local dealer is quoting me a price $20,100 before taxes and title.
Sounds like a good deal. Any comments?
Also my husband works with someone who owns an FWD and she does not have any problem handling the car in the rain.
Hope this helps.
Good Luck to you.
If you wouldn't mind posting (or emailing me) the dealership and salesperson you used it might help me a great deal. I'd be happy to tell him/her you sent me.
Also, when you say $21,500 less the rebate I'm a bit confused. That's $21,500 before the rebate was applied, right?
Any help you could give GREATLY appreciated.
tidester, host
Would appreciate the dealership name, and any other good advice anybody can give me on making my purchase on L.I.
We've given up trying to parse out all the individual components of a deal, and we're asking dealers only for the total price to drive it off the lot...after taxes, after rebate, etc. This seems to work well, and gives the whole process some easy-to-understand clarity.
Our best price so far? $22,886. That includes the 7.2% sales tax in our city and the rebate. How does that sound for a basic GLS 3.5 AWD? Anyone else want to share their total off-the-lot price for a similar model?
Also for this model I've seen the price range postings of $19,000-21,500 for potentially similar specs. I now live in L.A. out West, and am wondering where the best dealership would be, any suggestions? I'm probably looking at either package 10 or 6 with the moonroof and ABS. If I could find $20,500 or less after taxes and title, would that be a good deal ?
Also, is the moonroof worth it, or do you find that it doesn't really make a difference?
Have any of you owners found that the 2.7L lacks significantly in power when climbing hills and such, especially at highway speeds? What about the towing capabilities and power for something like towing a Uhaul trailer where both vehicle and trailer are loaded down?
Soo many questions...
My wife drives it most of the time, but when I do get a chance I've gotten between 21 and 22 mpg of mixed driving and I do not consider the vehicle broken in (in fact this was before the first oil change).
I live in Florida so I can't speak to mountain (or even hill) driving. I find the 2.7 to have all the power I need.
etc. Please respond to sbreckenridge@hearst.com or jfallon@edmunds.com with a few details and your contact information no later than Wednesday, July 21, 2004.
Thanks for your consideration.
Jeannine Fallon
PR Director
Edmunds.com
Love it! Paid $20,413 out the door and had a easy time at dealer , salesman was nice and new I did not want to be there for hours. I feel like I got a ggod deal invoice was $21,843. I am happy with my purchase it has been a long time coming and my 1st new car.
system warning light.
Does anyone owning the same model ever see the 4WD system warning icon (as in the manual) on the panel and see it shown when starting the car?
I would really appreciate your help,
-a worried new santa fe owner.
"Wednesday in the newspaper I saw an ad for a Santa Fe GLS at your location. It listed the MSRP ($21859)less an DEALER Discount ($3562) and a Rebate ($1750) plus 2 other discounts that I did not qualify for (military and Hyundai loyalty). With the discount and rebate, it brought the price of the vehicle to $16,547). It was apparently only offered on stock # 44180, which to my suprise was still in stock. So thursday I decided to come in and check it out.
When I arrived and walked down the row of Santa Fe's, I was followed by a salesman who seemed younger than I am (24) who was chatting on his cell phone, a conversation that sounded as if it was a personal call. He then hung up and asked me if he could help me. I did not get an introduction, just went right into a sales pitch for the Santa Fe. We discussed the price which was right for my budget, until we got to
my trade-in. A 2003 NEON SXT which I owe just under $13k. He asked his "boss" if they would be able to help me and he immediately said no.
Now, my common sense would tell me that since the
vehicle was already discounted, the discount brought it right around the invoice price, there wouldn't be much room for negotiation on it, however there was no negotiation on my trade in, they wouldn't even consider it, just said I'm about $6k upside down and that would make my payments $400/mo. I understand that NEON's are a dime a dozen, but they are still a
popular, dependable car. I know my NEON SXT only has the standard equiptment for it's model except for dark tinted windows, and that it blue books for just around $8k for trade in, but because I was a returning customer (the NEON SXT came from that very dealership), and according to your website, there are only 2 SXT's- only 1 2003 model selling for $14995. Since I have researched vehicles alot lately, I know
the internet rate for SXT's are between $12500 and
$15000. I also know that dealerships typically only expect to profit $1500-2000 on a trade-in based on my research, and that the internet price is the rock bottom lowest price offered- so the sticker on that NEON SXT is probably in the $15k's allowing room to negotiate down.
I would think that from a customer retention stand
point, and the fact that dealers are beginning to
clear out the 2004's, that Earnhardts would be able to satisfy a returning customer by showing they are willing to break even or even a slight loss on one
deal, which I'm sure can be compensated with all of the inventory your dealership moves daily.
You would make my day if someone from management could atleast e-mail me with an appology for what I feel was poor customer service. You would make my year if we could make a deal happen....
$21,859 (MSRP)
- $ 3,562 ("dealer Discount")
- $ 1,750 (Rebate)
- $ 400 (recent grad discount)
- $ 500 (my down pymnt)
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= $15,647 plus tax, title, tags, doc fee
Give me $10,000 on my NEON that (dealer) can
probably sell on the internet for $13,000
and then I am only around $3000 upside down. I think this would be feasible from a dealership as large as yours to make a returning customer happy.
Please let me know what you can do for me.
Thank you,"
This is in San Antonio, Texas.
When confronted with this, the finance manager at first denied the misrepresentation, then claimed that this was 'all our fault' even though he admitted that the figures he gave us were not accurate.
We were able to resolve the dispute but I thought a word of warning would be appropriate for those new (or exhausted) buyers out there - READ ALL THE LINES IN YOUR CONTRACT - also, the nice young man sitting across from you may not have your best interests in mind as he negotiates your purchase.