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  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    Bruno, who in CS did you hang out with? My field is cognitive sciences with psychology as my home department but I interact with CS folks from time to time.

    You and a lot of other people lost cars in Allison. And the way it's been raining today, I think a few more people will be out there with the flooded car problem...

    I have a manual Pro5 as well, Bruno--we bought from the same dealership (Jeff Haas), I believe...
  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    Last job aircraft dispatcher for American Eagle. ATR-42's and Shorts 360's. American decided to move all Eagle dispatchers to DFW,TX. Having spent enough years in cities St.Paul, Milwaukee I didn't make the move.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I finally REALLY opened up my Protege today. Compared to my old Integra, it doesn't seem very happy in the upper parts of the tach. Actually, it behaves more like my old 5.0L mustang; it has decent low range power, good mid range power, then it poops out. It is the complete opposite of the Integra which had NO power down low, then BAM, it took off like an Albanian refugee once it hit 5000 rpms. The Integra kicked serious butt on the highway, but the Protege is easier to drive around town. Anyways, when I was at White Castle (the only food that smells like a fart BEFORE you eat it), a bunch of the Honduh boys walked up to my car in the parking lot while I was inside. They walked around it, pointed at the rims, bent down to check out the tires, and looked inside. Either they wanted to rip it off, or they were just jealous and admiring my car, or both. I don't care though, it wasn't anywhere near where I live.
  • speedyptspeedypt Posts: 200
    I finally got to drive the P5! Black, 5-speed without many extras. Okay, I did it for two reasons: I want one and I got a certificate for a free web-cam from Mazda if I took a test drive. My impression...

    Power...better than expected up to about 3500 rpm, then tapers off too much. I agree with the previous comments about the motor not being as happy revving as previous motors, especially my '92 Pro's 1.8, and a little less than my 2000 ES's 1.8. The clutch is very linear but seems to engage very far out. Shifter was great, not at all sloppy or vague like I had read.

    Looks...what can I say...it's better in person than the pictures show. Simply put...one of Mazda's BEST styling efforts yet. It just looks so well-proportioned and sporty, a real head-turner! Didn't care for the black really...the white one was nice though...

    Interior...not that different from the 2000. Loved the leather steering wheel and three-spoke design. Seats good and comfortable, again much like the 2000. Stereo...EL STINKO! Compared to the one in the Protege sedan, it just sounded flat and lifeless. No bass, tinny treble...BUT...easy to use knobs and much more attractive design than my 2000's unit. Visors were a little improved in quality feel over my 2000's flimsy visors (I will admit that mine are still in perfect shape...)

    Handling and ride...VERY nice. Much more predictable than '92 Pro, a noticeable improvement over standard 2000 ES, but not very different from MY ES...possibly because I put the same strut bar in my 2000? Nah...probably the 16" tires and rims and reinforced strut tower sheetmetal on the 2002 P5. I would say the handling borders on MAGIC, you feel the limit coming on, but you know exactly how much you have left before it breaks loose...Yes...I tried to break it loose a bit.

    Looks...Uff Da!

    Price...at nearly 1800 more than a loaded ES sedan, and much more expensive financing (5.9% 48 months or 1.9% 36 months on P5 --- vs. --- 0.0% for 48 months on P-Sedan) it's just too darned expensive to justify the appearance-factor. I want one bad, and if the sales manager at Roto had been able to match my current payments, I would have driven one home tonight, the best he quoted me though was 330/mo for 60 months with my 2000 traded in. I'm NOT upside-down on my car loan, but the depreciation on my 2000 ES was higher than I expected. Soooooooooooooo......

    I'll be driving my 2000 for a while I guess. Not that it's at all bad...I still love the car...but I have this itch to drive a P5 everyday.

    Other stuff....

    My 2000 in the shop for allignment tonight-tomorrow. I only have 18k and it needs it already. Might be from when they fixed the clunk in the right front suspension in March. If it is, the service manager already agreed to reimburse me for two new front tires (both now wearing unevenly...but only started happening since they fixed it...hmmmmmm) and I'm still on the RE92 Poortenzas. I asked if they would be buying me the tires, he said it would be up to me...I could get new RE92's from them or he would write me a check for $200 and I could go buy my own tires. Again...only if they say it's from their mistake. Other than that...no problems from the 2000 ES.

    CAPP...are there any interested readers for a Chicago Area Protege Picnic to be held in September or early October? If we have even three volunteers from here I will handle all arrangements...please post reply here or email me if interested:

    peter_rollins@hotmail.com

    Regards and Zoom Zoom to all,

    Pete
  • grubbs1grubbs1 Posts: 69
    Bank Manager.

    Love my Protege! The tint looks great, BTW.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Shorts 360 ... the Greyhound Bus with wings! I flew in one of those (yes, American Eagle) back in 1994 from Richmond to Raleigh, N.C. I felt like I needed a scarf and a bomber jacket, lol! It was a fun ride -- I felt like I went back in time. As we climbed after takeoff, I kept having this feeling that we were about to slide backwards back down the wire to the airport. And I couldn't help noticing (or hearing!) that big prop spinning right outside my window. Small, funky airplane! I haven't seen one in a while. Do they still use them?

    Meade
  • We're considering replacing our 123,000 mile Civic with a 2001 Protege (LX 2.0). Can anyone tell me about the car's handling in snow? We live in Northern Virginia-and usually only get a couple inches at a time, but it can be slippery.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    My three Proteges have handled pretty well in the snow, much like any front-wheel-drive car. Of course, a lot of the handling characteristics depend on the tires, and I must say that the Bridgestone Potenzas that came on the 2000 ES are not very good in the snow. (Luckily the 2001 models do not use these tires!) My earlier Proteges (1992 LXs) had Toyo tires and got me back and forth from Richmond to Lynchburg in the snow several times. The Bridgestones are now nearly treadless and I plan to replace them with decent all-season radials (Yokohama AVID T4s) next month.

    By the way, if you're new to the topic, you may not have heard about the upcoming second-annual Mid-Atlantic Protege Picnic on October 6. A group of us (looks like about 10 right now) will be meeting for a picnic at a Northern Virginia state park that Saturday. If you have your Protege by then, or even if you don't and you want to meet some of us and get some questions answered, drop me an e-mail and I'll send the location info to you!

    And welcome!

    Meade in Richmond
    mdaffron@the-rma.org
  • I have questions about that too. I came across this item from a review of the 2001 ProES:


    <<The Protege offers excellent handling and decent acceleration performance. It's an affordable sports sedan. We tested the Protege during a wintry week in Detroit. Not all compact cars handle snow particularly well, but the Protege was able to plow its way out of a foot of snow -- with no prior shoveling.

    Out on the highway, whether the pavement was wet, dry or covered with snow and ice, the Protege offered predictable handling and good grip.>>


    You can see the whole article at

    http://www.carbuytip.com/reviews/2001_mazda_protege.html


    So now I need something else to be obsessed with. I think I've found just the thing -- the same review also says


    <<The seats are comfortable and supportive, though we found it a bit hard to turn the knob to adjust the angle of the driver's seatback.>>


    Now I'm sorry guys, but I'm not spending $16k on something with a stiff knob I will have to turn once when I buy the car and then forget about for 10 years. ;-)


    twist

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Don't you want the knob stiff so it doesn't move over time all by itself? Sometimes I wonder why reviewers feel compelled to share these little nitpicks.

    Interesting -- my 2000's seatback angle isn't adjusted with a knob, but a more conventional lever that you pull up, adjust the back, and release to lock. Now, my seat CUSHION has a few knobs to raise and lower the front and back of it, and they're kind of tight -- but rightfully so; I don't think I've adjusted them in over a year now.

    BTW -- it appears the reviewers made a boo-boo in the second line of that review. Didn't they mean to say "Protege" instead of "Miata?"

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    The reviewer picks on the rear-seat headroom, saying at 5-11 his hair was brushing the ceiling. I know why -- he obviously was reviewing a Protege with a moonroof, and that's why I opted out of getting one with a moonroof. The moonroof really takes away from headroom, especially in the rear seat because that's where the "tunnel" is for the panel when the moonroof's open. I am 6-0 and weigh 275 pounds -- I'm a real buffalo of a guy -- and I have plenty of headroom in the back seat of my moonroof-less Protege. Maybe this guy had a 'fro or something too!

    Meade
  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    The standard joke was that they put wings on the box the rest of the a/c came in. At the time I was there Eagle was the world's largest operator of 360's. Though they were flying them when I left in '91 I can't say whether they still do. There's been a big push among the feeders towards regional jets. The hoans (vernacular for passengers)feel they're safer in pure jets. Hmmm.
    Cost per seat mile just can't compare w/turboprops. I read about a case in Flying magazine where a pilot flew a 360 out of a microburst. Bloody awesome. It was designed such that the cargo version can handle standard cargo containers. Box within a box hey?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I saw that review almost two years ago. It was for a 1999 LX 1.6. I remember reading it before I got my first Protege, a 1999 DX. And that car was pretty good in the snow. Hope my 2001 ES is as well.

    Meade, I have a moonroof in my 2001 ES. I have just enough head room in the front to be able to fit. But in the back seat of mine, the roof is pushed up a little right by the top of the rear window. Like space there for your head to be without interfering with the sunroof's "tunnel". A good friend of mine is 6'3 and weighs about 250 lbs., and he rode in the back seat of my Protege for 70 miles and nary a complaint. So there is definitely room there. Also, I have ridden in my own back seat and found it quite comfortable (and I am not a small person either).
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The window on my car is still sticking. I found sometimes if I open the driver's door and slam it hard, the window will go down. A pain in the butt!

    My tranny is making this funny squeaking noise, like the notification sound when arming a car alarm. I don't get it. And it only does it when downshifting from 3 to 2, but no other time. Hopefully, Mazda will hear it when they drive the car and diagnose it. I am going to be a little upset, as well, if my 6 month old car needs a new transmission. But that remains to be seen.
  • auerbachauerbach Posts: 110
    Hi everyone,

    I've been "lurking" here for awhile as I'm looking to replace my very trusty 91 Accord Coupe with a Protege. The car has been 100% reliable - but its starting to rust here and there and with two kids a 2-door just isn't practical anymore.

    We have another Mazda in the family - a 2000 MPV which we are very happy with

    I'm very interested in the "how I fit inside" comments, as I'm 6-3, 240 lbs.

    I've sat inside a number of ES' and Protege5's and they all feel pretty comfortable.

    I won't even consider a sunroof because it just takes up too much headroom.

    My only complaint/worry is with the seat belt latch position - in the ES it seems to dig into my right hip and in the 5 it seems to be ok.

    Has anyone else felt or noticed this? Am I being paranoid - or should I just lose a few pounds : )

    Thanks!!
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Paul hates his car again! Who was it who said Wednesday or Thursday that "at least no one has complained about their car this week" or something similar! Oh well, you spoke too soon!

    Paul ... I wouldn't recommend slamming your door all the time. You might break something else. :)

    And why are you doing all this downshifting from 3 to 2? Are you gonna be like jstandefer and ruin your car as well? Can you say, "shoulda bought a 5-speed?" There is some seriousness in what I say. My older (and lead-footed) brother nearly ruined the automatic transmission in my dad's Volvo by treating it like a manual all the time.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    The latch in my 2000 ES does contact my right thigh (I have a 46-inch waist!!!), but I've gotten used to it. I wouldn't say it's "digging in" to me, but it does rest on my thigh. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the car though -- besides, at my size, I'm used to feeling big in a lot of car seats. What impresses me the most is that I can put the seat where I like it and still have extra legroom (most car seats don't go back far enough for me; I still have travel left in the Protege). But even more impressive is that I can then get out and get in the back and not be eating my knees! The Protege has a very usable rear seat! My 67-year-old parents have been back there for a 200-mile trip and found it very comfortable!

    Try THAT in a freakin' Sentra or Civic!

    Meade
  • late for work! :)

    As usual I am coming up on the hind end of the conversation but let me try to catch up.

    On the insurance thing, believe it or not, the Protege is MORE expensive to ensure than my 2001 Honda Accord EX V6 Coupe!! I couldn't believe that. I am paying $1,000 every 6 months vs $800 for the Coupe. It's more than my fiance's LS400! But oh well, I guess you have to pay to play. Not that upset about it just a little shocked.

    For the age and occupation thing, I am 22, currently majoring in marketing, but about to majoring in information systems. Big change but I finally figured out that marketing was not for me. I am currently employed as a manager-type person in the business office of Carmax, don't know if you have ever heard of them or not. I have a love/hate relationship with that place.

    Okay, I think I am caught up now. Maybe I can find a free second to sneak on at work so I won't have to wade through 70 posts tonight ;)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Well, I do know about CarMax! Circuit City owns them, and they're based in my city! I'll never buy a car from them though, after the experience my dad had with 'em!

    Meade
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    congrats meade...on living upto the ZOOM..ZOOOM.

    I thing I never get to understand is:

    Why the hell does one need tire that will plough through snow?

    Doesn't your city corporation clear up the snow from the road?

    and anyway, if the snow is so much high up, would it not have been declared an emergency situation...and stay home?

    WHY do you need to go out when it has snowed 2 feet? cna you really get anywhere with so much snow? and assuming that you would, will anybody else show up in a snowstorm situation?

    BTW, I stay near Phila, work in Phila....never had any problems in winter....
  • auerbachauerbach Posts: 110
    Thanks for the reply -

    I'm very picky about how I sit in car. I don't like my head to rub the headliner or my legs to touch any panels - the Protege seems to be good on both counts for me.

    I'll have to investigate more about the latch.

    Also, do you have to get the moonroof if you want ABS in the ES like you have to in the 5?

    I think that is a rather strange combination.

    What was Mazda thinking???
  • I wasn't here for Mazda Protege boards 1-6, so forgive me if I'm covering ground already well traveled by the old-timers.

    I got curious as to why membership in the EAA would entitle one to participate in Mazda's S Plan. (truly an amazingly good deal)

    A little Googling around the web suggests this:
    Mazda is making a big push to get experimental aircraft builders to use Mazda rotary engines. So Mazda is apparently a supporter of the EAA, with the hope that the good PR will lead to sales of Mazda engines to experimental aircraft builders, who will love their Mazda engines so much they will buy Mazda cars. Or something like that.

    Well, that's my detective work for today. Back to the real job.

    twist
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Oh man....come up to Calgary, Canada around late January. You'll see so much snow you'll think Santa Claus lives here! The City does put out ploughs, but there are only so many ploughs and too many roads to cover.
    And No, it's not an emergency if there's that much snow!! When I was a little kid I had to walk to school thru 2 feet of snow in -30 degree C weather (man..that sounds like a "grand-dad" story...). When you have snow 6-8 months of the year, you get used to it, especially when it's possible that it can snow in the middle of August!

    PF
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    Did you have to walk to school uphill? Both ways? LOL, I used to love my dad's stories about walking to school in the snow uphill both ways. Of course, he grew up in Burbank, just outside of LA...

    Now Meade, don't get me started again. I have always driven like this and I will always drive like this and the Protege is the ONLY car I have had that hasn't been able to handle it! Maybe I should run back to the most reliable cars I have owned, Fords. Oh wait. The Protege is a Ford!! Duh!!!
  • edmund2460edmund2460 Posts: 293
    I believe the 2000 Mazda had a horrendous repair cost for a 5 mph rear impact test. Don't know about the 2001 but that might be the reason other than your age and geog. area. When I was with Allstate two weeks ago I paid about the same as other cars that I have and have had when new($389 or so for 6 months for my 2001 ES). It dropped to $230 something when I went to AIG. I have a multicar policy tho and am a GOOD deal older than you. (Eat your heart out - there are some advantages when you put on some miles - unlike cars)
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    The 2001 doesn't have a knob for reclining the seatbacks, Mazda changed it to a lever that works just fine. ;)

    There are two knobs for raising the seat cushion front and back, better adjusted upward out of the car and then sit on the seat as you lower either setting. Altough, I did find that you can raise the front angle while seated. That adjusts leg support.

    fowler3
  • edmund2460edmund2460 Posts: 293
    Looks like someone asked for a survey here, but I work for a very well known energy company and do IT work which I've been doing for some 20 plus years. Do a lot of SAS programming and some VB (if it rings a bell with anyone), Nothing that I studied in school (Chem Engg, Mgt Sci) pepared me for what I do now. I guess I've been something of a dilettante Or i'm well rounded
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I did not say in any form that I did not like my car. I just said I have those two little problems with it. Hey, that's what warranties are for. I will have it looked at along with the brakes when I take it on 9/24. I just thought it to be weird with the tranny sound though. And it's when the car shifts the transmission. I am not doing it manually, but can tell what gear I am in by the way the car shifts and drives.

    Cindy: We have Carmax here in Maryland too, but I find them way overpriced. I applied for a job there in the business office too, but they wouldn't meet my pay standard. Too bad, because I would love to work around cars all day. :)

    Edmund: VB is visual basic. I didn't think anyone used that anymore. And the only reason I know about VB is because every darn time a computer virus comes through my company's e-mail, it's always in VB format.

    Auerbach: I am 6'3 and 280 lbs., and fit fine in the Protege. The seatbelt buckle doesn't rub my thigh alot, but it does a little. Doesn't bother me at all. And you do not have to get the moonroof in order to get ABS on the Protege sedan, only on the 5. Weird to me too. Oh well.
  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    re: winter. You're kidding, right?
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Funny how the topic seems to die when I disappear for a while. Well, I guess it's gonna really die now. I'm off on vacation, and you won't see me back here again until September 10. Have a great Labor Day weekend, and keep zoom-zooming! And keep talking up...

    MAPP II ... The Sequel.

    See ya!

    Meade
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