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Jaguar XJ-Series

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  • FYI, I noticed on Jaguar's web site that the Multimedia Package will be an option for the XJ8 L,where it has not been and will not be for the XJ8. I am considering the L and the package (but didn't want to pay for the Vanden Plas) so I'm excited.

    Can anyone comment on the functionality of the multimedia package? thanks
  • Picked up a '01 XJ8 6 weeks ago with 29k miles, within 3 days it died on the road. Returned it to the dealer who replaced the throttle body under wtee. 2 weeks later replaced thermostat because the cooling fan stayed on up to 5 mins after the car was turned off. I have the new car wtee for a few more years. Dealer presented carfax report that did not include all repairs, service manager at dealer told me about servicing done on car that was not captured on the carfax report. It seems that in not including these services the car would not look bad when investigated. This defeats the purpose of carfax. When the car is idling in neutral it sounds as if someone has engaged the clutch in a manual tranny. Has anyone had this experience? Is this normal? My '92 XJ6 did not do this. How well does the front end hold up? alignment and tire balancing? at high speed I get a little simmering. Feedback please
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    If this car has a rack & pinion steering box, you're going to get any variation in the tires, or wheels, or balancing transmitted up to the steering wheel very easily. You may have a tire out of balance, or a bent wheel, or a tire separating, any of the above would cause a slight shimmer in the wheel. I would start with a balance, then new tires if the balance doesn't fix it, and finally the wheel. The front end shouldn't give you any trouble, it's a fine assembly.
  • I recently helped my Mom find the car of her dreams. She has loved the Jag XJ for many years. She has driven her Buick Rivera since new in 1989 and has loved it, but has been getting the itch to finally get the Jag she has always admired. Last week I was at my local Lexus dealer having a service on my 98 GS400 when I saw a 2002 XJ8 Vandan Plaz with 6380 miles, in perfect condition. Not a scratch, ding, chip or mark anywhere to be found. Asking price was $43,800, which was fair according to Edmunds.

    Long story short, we got the car for $39,500, which we consider a very good deal for a car that is nearly new. She just could not justify spending $30K more for the new one, especially since she likes the previous model more.

    I have a couple of questions that I could not find by reading the manual.

    First, do the rear seats fold down? Is there any pass-thru to the trunk (boot)?

    Second, does the Sport Shift mode really make a difference? On my GS it just holds the gear a little longer, but on my very brief drive it seemed to make the throttle more responsive.

    Third, are the any cupholder's for the rear passengers? With such an enormous amount of space, you'd think there would be some way to hold some drinks to lounge around, but I cannot find any. Do the rear tables extend more then the small amount when the fold down? The hardly seem usable.

    Lastly, were all cars wired for the factory phone and nav? There are buttons for these on the dash but they do not activate anything. Seems odd to have buttons for features that do not work.

    Thank you in advance for the help. As a current Lexus owner and lover, I have to say that I am VERY impressed with the XJ. I always thought that the GS V8 was increadibly smooth and doubted that anyone elses could be as good, but the XJ is right up there. I am very impressed with the smoothness and response. The XJ is an impressive cruiser, one that I would not mind driving myself in a couple of years.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I believe the wiring is all there for the components named, but you need the factory accessories to plug in to them for them to work.
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,338
    The sport shift mode makes a subtle but noticable difference. The transmission holds the lower gears a little longer on the way up, but the biggest difference is that it downshifts much more readily. In normal mode the tranny is pretty lazy about downshifting. I always drive in sport mode, but then I am driving an XK8. You may feel differently in a VP.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • my wife and I took delivery of a super V8 this past weekend; the multimedia system is relatively easy to use - just read the handbook (written specifically for the mm package) and you shouldn't have any problems operating the system.
  • As an owner of 4 jags (1998 XJ8, 1999 XJ8L, 2000 XK8 conv and 2001 VDP), I've enough horror stories to avoid Jaguar at all costs. I now drive the XK8 conv (22K mi) which I bought w/5K miles 3 yrs ago. The car is sweet, but when it breaks (and if you're out of warranty as I am), be prepared to bend over. The hydraulic lines burst 3 wks ago, flooding my interior w/green, slimy hydraulic fluid. I at first thought my top was leaking water, but it just stopped working. Dealer wntd $2K to replace the tubing (runs from trunk to the top of the windshield header). I called Jag corporate to plead for assistance, they told me to pound sand. My wife's '98 XJ8 (which she claims to love, but I can no longer see the humor) broke down the same day as my 2000 convertible. Motor started thrashing like a bull and sounded like can of marbles. Dealer's verdict? Timing chains need to be replaced, also $2K. Jaguar told me to pound sand on this one too. The car has less than 80K miles. On a recent trip to Florida, it kept dying while driving on the highway. It used to happen very infrequently, but on this trip it would die every half hour. Imagine, driving along and the engine cuts out. Took it to dealer, they cleaned the throttle body, no help. Two days ago, Jag finally issued a factory recall. Maybe this time they'll fix it. Bottom line, if you are considering a Jag, be prepared to be reamed when the car's out of warranty. I've had my share of having dealer replace bulbs at $30 a pop and bringing the car several times in course of 2-3 months for service. I have enough rental car receipts to fill a notebook! And the creme de la creme: someone vandalized my convertible and cut the top. Dealer wanted $7,500 to replace. Yup, $7,500. I used to love Jags, but will avoid them like the plague. STAY AWAY FROM THE BRAND!!
  • It's happened a lot on my 2 jags. Fortunately, I had dealer fix it when the car was still on warranty. If you still have warranty, complain to the dealer, they'll send it out for repair. If you're out of warranty, there is a co in CA that refinishes the wood panels for Jag (factory authorized). I've used them and they charged $140 to refinish the airbag door. The repair was flawless. The co is called Madeira Concepts as far as I recall, but if you need add'l info email me (rencapcorp@aol.com) and I'll look up the details and will respond by email on contact info
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Which European brand doesn't cost a fortune to keep running out of warranty? I haven't found one yet. It's the cost of driving European class luxury. And by the way, price the power steering hose for a Lexus out of warranty.....

    I just replaced the rear brake calipers on my Infiniti I-30. It has 90K on the clock. They had to be replaced because they couldn't be separated to put new pads under. They had corroded too badly - and this car has always lived in Las Vegas - no rain, road salt or rust here. Bottom line, $1500 to do the rear brakes. But I didn't call Infiniti, expecting them to do something about it. How long do I expect them to guarantee every part on the car? I agreed to the warranty period when I bought the car. I don't think I have a valid complaint against Nissan.

    Look, you are like me, you like to drive nice, upscale cars. It's gonna cost us, if we keep them out of the warranty period. That's the way I see it.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You don't have comprehensive insurance on the car to cover that? That little repair would cost me exactly $100, and State Farm would pay the rest. If you're too cheap to put insurance on the car, a nice car like that, I don't know how to help you pal...
  • pathdocpathdoc Posts: 126
    I've han two XK convertibles over the last seven years. I have had a 2001 XKR for the last 3 1/2 years which has been relatively trouble free with the exception of the same leak in the top hyraulic system that you describe. This happened about two months ago and when I took it in the car ahead of me was a 2000 XK8 with the same problem. I found out that there had been about 6 in the last month. I think there is some inherent problem with the system and may be related to a change in the fluid used. My 1998 XK8 top froze up and they changed the fluid and indicated that they changed the fluid type due the original fluid solidifying after a period of time.

    I am trying to decide if I should keep the XKR after the lease is up next year and I think it will depend on what type of extended warranty I can get.
  • I appreciate the frustration. I have a 2000 E320 with 94k miles. I have had a few thousand of repairs in the past year that probably would have been covered by warranty. I swore off extended warranties as a general matter a while back since nothing ever seemed to break. I think if nothing else brakes before 100,000 miles the warranty probably wouldn't have saved me much net, but I'm not sure how much they cost.

    The Mercedes has had a a number of things wrong, including 2 window regulators at several hundred dollars each. The best was one of the headlights was out. The light had melted into the assembly so $550 to fix.

    I like lux cars (am thinking of getting an XJ8L) but realize more now that they do cost to keep going. It's a decision we have to make. Maybe an extended warranty is a good idea so we'll at least know how much it costs. Then of course nothing would break. . .
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Every time I have purchased an extended warranty, I've never needed it.
  • leadfoot4leadfoot4 Posts: 593
    If, somehow or other, the karma of buying the ext. warranty prevented anything negative from happening to your car, maybe it was a good investment after all!!
  • mgmmm1mgmmm1 Posts: 2
    Having leased the 2004 VDP last week(Slate-Ivory),(my fourth Jaguar), I wanted to pass along some info. I had the 1993 XJ-6 but only for a year. Have (still) the 1995 VDP with many, many repairs. Never got stranded ,but did I pay the dealer serious cash over the years.(The price of luxury! I guess!).
    Last year we got the S-type(2003) which has great ride manners and refinement in the Jaguar tradition. But the front seats, although bucket, are not comfortable. Otherwise, the car has been pure joy to drive.
    So last week I got the 2004 VDP, they had great deal on it, with owner loyalty and incentives, I leased it for 745/month/24 months, including taxes. I had to come up with 1500 at inception. This at Bergen Jaguar, in Paramus New Jersey. The XJ-8's could be had for even less(slow sales...)
    The car is great, very luxurious, soft supple leather, rides great(although I don't think as good as the 2003, maybe because it's lighter? and the air suspension?as opposed to regular suspenison?) Ergonomics are fine and rear space is great, for a change. BUT the same problem the front seats, although bucket, not comfortable, despite having a 16-way power adjustment. Otherwise the car is refined elegance with great roadside manners and definitely worth the price(for now !anyway!)
    Thought I'd pass that along.
  • audraaudra Posts: 2
    I am eager to purchase my first Jaguar sedan, which must be a pre-owned, though cost will not be too much a factor.

    My personal taste dictates that I choose either a '96/'97 VandenPlas or a 1998/99 XJ8 ( I do not care for '98/'99 VdP because I do not like the wheels ), though otherwise I find them very lovely with the contrasting piping on seats and the charm of the folding picnic tables.

    I also would like to purchase the car that would probably beset me with the fewest problems, over-all. My feeling is that, because the XJ8's are the most "American-ized" of all Jaguars, thus far, they might represent the very best choice for me. I would like you all to share your opinion on this issue.

    Additionally, and on another subject, entirely: how "steal-able" are Jaguars? ... meaning, are they especially sought-after by car thieves? I understand that certain cars are prime candidates to be targeted by thieves, and was wondering if Jaguars figure on their "list".

    Thank-you always for our wonderful forum; I remain very grateful to continue to have access to your ideas and opinions. Audra
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Generally, the newer they are, the better they got as far as reliability goes. I don't think they are an abnormal target for car thieves, having some pretty good anti-theft systems integrated into them all.
  • mgmmm1mgmmm1 Posts: 2
    To audra:

    Like nybanker said, the '98 models and later, had the new-acclaimed-engine(XJV-8,designed by Jaguar,money from Ford,it cost 25 million USD to make) and have a totally new, redesigned electrical system. For the Jaguar aficionados, very important, as the electrical system-everything from mirrors, to sunroof, to AC had it's problems. It's mostly what gave Jaguar, the unreliability they were tagged with.The whole electrical system had been a problem with the earlier models.

    I agree with you, the wheels on the '98 and later models are nothing to write home about. But you have to balance that with the fact that from '98 on, it's a new car, with a new engine, and a new electrical system. I would rather pay 1,000 USD and put 4 new wheels on(from the '96 or '97 series) and get the reliability of those models. Granted, the '97 model was the last all-British model...so if you have a soft spot for that...by all means ...either way good luck!
  • I'm new to this group, and hoping for a little guidance from the resident experts. My daily driver is an '04 Lincoln LSV8 Sport, but I've wanted to own a Jag for a long, long time. I have a friend's '86 Vanden Plas (175K kilometers) sitting in my driveway right now, on a long term "test drive", and, although it's OK, I think the V12 needs a few grand thrown at it to run at it's best, and there's a myriad of little things that need attention. He wants 12K CAN for it, complete with spare engine. Too much work and too much money, by my way of thinking.

    While out and about this weekend, I came across my "dream Jag" at a local Nissan dealer. It's a '95 XJS 4.0 liter convertible, red, with tan interior and black top. It's got 65K kilometers on the clock, and is absolutely immaculate in every aspect. Never winter driven, everything works in it, and it has obviously not been cut short in the TLC department. It's not had the "dealer cleanup" done on it, but it's pretty well "showroom" other than the road grime accumulated since it was born. The previous owner had it from new as a second car. He traded in the Jag, and a Bonneville SSE (also immaculate), on a fully loaded Titan pickup, of all things.

    Anyways, the reason for my post is to run the numbers past a few of the local experts. Please consider that I'm in Canada, and more specifically Eastern Ontario. The dealer wants $30K CAN for the car, and is contemplating storing it until spring, as "it's the wrong time to be trying to sell a convertible". What do you think, and what is the "right" price for this car? What pitfalls should I be aware of with this year and model?

    By the way, I took it out for an extended test drive, unaccompanied yet, and I can say that it's just as tight, solid, and rattle free as my LS. I pushed it hard, and it never put a single foot wrong!

    Thanks tons!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    If you want it for fun, and don't mind frequent maintenance, it should be great. Keep the LS for daily driving......
  • Brooster54, ask your dealer if he collects cars or does he sell them?? No rational business person would store a depreciating asset in the hopes of selling it a half year later for a higher price. He will have heavy indirect costs in tying up his money, storing it, insuring it, cleaning it up again, watching it depreciate X per month, etc. Plus up your way, he could wind up with a cracked block come spring!
  • audraaudra Posts: 2
    ... and many thanks to you, and to nvbanker for your responses. I greatly appreciate your efforts in clarifying the issues that been of concern to me. I drive approximately 3000 (yes, only three thousand) miles per year, so I tend to keep my cars a long time. Thus, I would like to own a car that sustains its "zing", not becoming passe the following year. I thought that with the lovely wood veneers, and perhaps the (extra) purchase of mouton overlays, I'd always feel that I was driving a "mink coat" of a car, no matter how long I owned it. I think that most people would describe Jaguars as: iconoclastic, beautiful and eccentric; perfect for me!

    Again, my sincere thanks!

    Audra
  • I had the same question as you, and I was wondering if you ever figured it out, or was offered any explanation by Jaguar or the dealer. Have you looked at the L to compare in person, or is maybe the number a typo? Thanks for your time.
  • I'm working a decision to buy either a new Vandan Plas or the Super V8. If you load up the Vandan Plas, you are closer to the price of the SV8. So, it comes down to buying the turbo engine or not.

    I'm wondering if the turbo is high maintenance and might it add enough to the resale value in 5-8 years to make it worthwhile buying it now.

    It appreciate any perspectives.
    Thanks.
    Charlie
  • Gscavallo, no I have never gotten any definitive answer on why the rear seat leg room in the L is only 0.6 inches more than the regular version. I have read everything in the press on the car, and most of the write-ups refer to significantly more rear seat room in the L, with a couple comparing it to a limousine. Therefore I can only assume that there is a lot more leg room back there, and maybe the 0.6 inches has to do somehow with how this is measured. The ultimate test of course will be sitting in one, which I have not done yet. I know the L's are out are on the showrooms, so I'll do it soon. In the meantime, if anyone out there has sat in an L, please let us know if the rear seat legroom is a big improvement over the "short" wheelbase version.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Other than the XJ, the Jags aren't known for the rear seat leg room, or any other room. But the LJ has aplenty of room for long legged owners.
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,338
    As a point of information, it's a supercharger rather than a turbocharger. Actually, I would be interested in peoples' experiences too, since the supercharged engine has been out for several years now. Also, do you lose any of the good manners that the unblown engine has?

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • capppcappp Posts: 1
    JUST PAID 30,025 FOR 2001 WITH 11,0000 MILES ON IT AND WITH THE SELECT WARRANTY I FEEL GOOD AND I'VE NEVER HAD A BETTER CAR, I TRADED FROM A LINCOLN LS AND THE XJ IS NEXT TO MY 2000 CORVETTE AND I HAVEN'T STARTED THAT CAR IN AWHILE..I JUST THOUGHT I'D BOUGHT A DIFFERENT CAR BUT NOW I KNOW I BOUGHT A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING!!!!DAILY DRIVER....I'M 55 AND MARRIED FOR 10 YEARS TO A HOT LOOKING WOMEN BUT IT IS A BIGGER CHIC MAGNAT THAN THE CORVETTES I'VE HAD,,,,,, GIRLS I'M SORRY IF YOU'RE READING THIS AND TAKING IT BAD, BUT MY WIFE AGREES AND WE'VE NECKED IN THE BACK SEAT AND it"s the best
  • t3kt3k Posts: 1
    Hi,
    I purchased a MB CLK-430 about 7 months ago and have had nothing but problems. I am about ready to sell the car and found an 2003 XJ Sport with 28K for a decent price. The car is beautifull but I dont want to get into another car thats going to be problems. What is everyone opinion who knows the Jag world on the quality and reliabiltiy of this car? Is there anything I should look for or know prior to making the purchase? Its been hard to find reviews or a decent forum that dicusses the jags.

    Thanks in advance for your time
    RK
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