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There is nothing like a new car.
There is such pleasure being the first to sit behind the wheel and peel off the new car stickers.
I recall a real pleasure I had when I was at the dealer when my "new baby" arrived on the truck. I recall watching as it was driven down from the carrier and parked in the sun. It gleamed and "beamed" as if to say: "Here I am... take me home and I am going to be a great friend".
I thought as I admired "her" that it was the most beautiful automobile I had ever seen... she was!
All this is a fond memory, as you can see.
The point for most of us is that buying back a year or so can result in a great cash outlay savings advantage. The first year or so depreciation has already been peeled off and thus factored in. Moreover, there are so many great Jags now on the market, because of leasing, at "reasonable prices" it just seems the most cost effective way to go, not withstanding your comments about "business tax advantages of leasing" to which I concur.
But, for those who wish to buy, I still recommend a 1998 or newer XJ8 or XJR.
I prefer to purchase one which has fairly low miles and has been given the dealer "Select Edition" certification. This raises the price over the "used car lot" models because it has undergone, perhaps, the best scrutiny and restoration on the market. In my opinion it is worth every "British Pound".
After "Select Edition" 100 or so point treatment it really almost is a "new car" again. As a result, Jag feels no hesitation in extending its "new car" warrenty way out. On these cars, as on any expensive Euro with "pricy parts and labor", an extended warrenty is a good deal.... particularly this one.
Happy Jaguar motoring..... you have bought a great automobile.
Your XJR with your "upgrades" is no doubt spectacular and you, or someone else, will have a great car at lease end.
christchurch
1. What exactly is the difference between the normal and Vanden Plas trims in both the 95 and 96 years?
2. What are the options on those cars? I have read conflicting information.
3. What changed for both the Vanden Plas and normal trim from 95 to 96?
4. I have read here that miles do not hurt a Jag, but is it truly safe to buy one with 90-110K miles after having it checked out by a reputable Jag shop?
5. Is there really no glove box on the 95? What about the 96? If no box where does all the "stuff" go?
6. Was the wood shift knob a factory option on these cars? Was the wood steering wheel an option on either trim or only on the Vanden Plas? What about wheels?
7. Was there a premium sound package? I may have read of a Harmon Kardon one. I know of the Alpine CD Changer.
By the way, I sure like the chrome grill better than the black one that began in 97. Thanks!
netranger: It is great stuff.... used on all of the London Motor Show cars!
Bill
Here's yer answers!
1) Really just trim. Scroll up 20-40...maybe 60 messages or so and I gave a total breakdown on the exact differences... but it's just trim on the 95s, and trim and a 4.9" Wheelbase stretch on the 96s.
2) The only options were: Sunroof/Convienience Package (On 95 XJ6s) Which included Power Sunroof, HomeLink, Power Steering column, auto-dimming mirror and memory seats. This was also an option on 97s, but the sunroof was totally standard across the range from 96+. It was only optional in the US on 95 XJ6s. Other options were CD Changer (Standard on 95-96VDPs, and an Alpine CHMS620 plugs right into any 91-97 Jag anyways), harmon/kardon Premium Sound (Includes a CD Changer) which is a very nice option to have. If the car has it, it'll say "harmon/kardon" on the door panels and have a subwoofer on the rear deck, and an amplifier next to the CD Changer in the trunk. This was $1,800MSRP new. The other option was the "Weather Package" which included electronic traction control and heated seats. This was $2,000 MSRP new. On most years, it's heated front seats only (Such as '95) But it varies depending on production in the 96s. I've seen 96 VDPs with and without heated rear seats, they got the rear seat heaters later in the 96 Production run. All 97s have heated front and rear seats.
3) 95-96? Only visible change on a 96 is the deletion of an outside door lock on the passenger's side. All 96s have gloveboxes, and 96 VDPs got the 4.9" Wheelbase stretch. Also, the VDP got new (And MUCH more attractive IMHO) wheels. Also, some minor color changes.
4) Yes, IF it's checked out by a Jaguar mechanic properly and has had proper service and IF you buy it cheaply. 95 XJ6 with 110K miles? Dont pay more than $12-13K MAX. 96 VDP with 100K? $15-16K MAX retail.
5) Center console in early 95s is where you throw the stuff! Later production 95s got a glovebox. All 96s have it. My 95 VDP does have one.
6) Wood shift knob was standard on XJ12s and XJRs (But the XJRs use a much darker bird's eye maple wood... ). I think that one from a dealer is $50-75 or so. I have one on my VDP and XJR. I added the one to the VDP (Well...we got this 94 XJ12 lease return in at the dealership... and it had a creme interior... and it was going to the auction anyways....so I swapped it ))) The wood steering wheel is a VDP/XJ12/XJR item. It can be added as a dealer acessory to any X300/X330. (X300=95-97 XJ, X330=96-97 Long Wheelbase XJ) Figure on $500 or so installed. Dont even THINK of doing it yourself with the airbag and sensitive electronics in the steering column.
7) Yup! Base stereo is sorta sucky if you like to crank your tunes like me. See options. Base is 80 watt, h-k is 280.
Hope this helps!
Bill
95 VDP 126K miles No trouble.
97 XJ6 59K
99 XJR
2 old ones
59 XK150 Roadster and a '65 XKE OTS (Open Two Seater)....
Some of my "babies".
S3s? I've had them. Rolling artwork, but.. umm... they're somewhat high maintinence and finding A) a nice one and a nice one at a realistic price is a very difficult task.
An X300 is MUCH MUCH MUCH better as a regular driver.
Bill
The headlights come on automatically when the car is running. From
reading the owner's manual, this is normal--presumably a safety feature.
Does anyone know if there there is any way to prevent the lights from
oing on automatically or to turn them off once they are on?
Kevin M.
1. I noticed that Edmunds.com lists both Black and Black Crystal Metallic as colors for the 95,96 XJ6. What is the difference and which is better (in your opinion(s))?
2. Is the keyless entry and alarm standard on the 95,96 XJ6?
3. Are floormats standard?
4. Has anyone ever tried to replace the orange reflector on the side panels of a 95,96 with a Jaguar emblem from a 98 or so? Would that work?
5. Lastly, where exactly does it say Harmon Kardon on the outside of the 95,96 when it has the premium sound option?
Thanks a lot! I look forward to your response(s)!
Not sure. I'd ask the dealer.. there is a way but I don't remember how I'm afraid.
Bill
2 and 3: Yes.
4: Yeah I could be done but it's going to be a lot of trouble to do "right".
5) h/k cars say "harmon/kardon" on the door speaker grilles, the have tweeters in the front windshield posts, and a visible subwoofer onthe rear deck that also says "harmon/kardon" on it.
As far as the VDP goes... $19,900 for a Black What? Miles? Year? Have you seen the car? Price is not a safe way to shop...
Chrome wheels could be ordered from the factory for $1,100 and are a different style.
Pinstripes would be done by the dealer, not available from the factory on US Market cars.
where ya located? I know of some places I can refer you to.
Bill
US EPA Estimates for the 96-97s were 17 City, 23 Highway.
In L/100km, when I've driven in Canada (I recently took my 95 VDP up there to pick up my Vauxhall Velox) and I set the trip odometer to metric... I dont remember ever being below 10.2-10.5L/100kms or so..
Bill
http://images.andale.com/118/118/885216/991164452409_jagwheels.jpg
Check it out, and let me know if you can identify the wheels on that 95 VDP! Thanks!
I have yet to test drive the vehicle and was wondering if anyone could offer any advice as to a reasonable sales price, problems with this year and model, etc. I have been told that the engine runs well, brakes are good, and that it was only driven in the summer months (I live in near Chicago, Illinois), however, I cannot verify this information having not yet driven it.
It's a very cool car but I know very little about Jaguars so any advice would be much appreciated before I check it out more thoroughly by driving it and taking it to my mechanic.
Thanks!!
Those are factory options for the 95=97s, also were available in Silver or Chrome as an acessory.
Bill
You want a Jag. Great! $6,000 is your budget? Nooo Problem!
You want an '89? <WHACK> ! Don't go there. Sorry if I offend anyone... but those cars are best avoided.
The 88-89 XJ6s were, sorry to say, probably the worst cars qualitywise that Jaguar ever produced. For not much more you can go to a 91+ car wich has far less trouble spots than the 88-89s.
For more info, http://www.jag-lovers.org/modern
I was the webmaster there... But I have relinuished my throne and it may well have changed..
Bill
2. Bill, how do you like the boxwood outlines in the wood on your VDP? I don't really like the way it looks in pictures I've seen, but I'm hoping it looks better in person. The wood itself looks nice, but the boxwood outlines seem to ruin it.
3. I looked back over your list of the differences between a standard and VDP 97 XJ6 about 50 posts back, and I was wondering if you would add to, subtract from, or change that list with regards to the 95 model year. Here's your list:
*Rear Cigar lighter.
*Rear Picnic Tables
*Chrome trim along the sides
*20-spoke Diamond-Turned Alloys with exposed lugnuts versus the "Dimple" style wheels on the XJ6
*Autolux Premium Conolly Leather. (Softer.. actually a bit less durable) with contrasting piping.
*Rear Picnic Tables
*Convienience Package standard (HomeLink garage door opener, power steering column, memory seats, auto-dim rear-view mirror.But the vast majority of XJ6 and XJ6Ls have this)
*Chrome door handles and side rear-view mirror outer finishers
*rear trunk plinth and front grille are fluted.
*Wood hasa tighter burl to it and has inlaid boxwood strips.
*Lambswool floor mats.
4. Would the 98 XJR or XJ8 wheels fit a 95 XJ6? Which post-97 wheels will fit on a 95?
5. Was there an in-dash CD player option in 95?
6. Lastly, would I be OK as far as reliability goes buying a 95 VDP with like 70-90K miles on it? How many miles do those cars last for?
Thanks once again Bill!
2) I like it. I think it really looks nice and..um.. "furniturey" You do have to see it in person tho.
3) Same really. Except that 95 VDPs (You have seen the pic of mine I take it) have what's called an "Aero" style wheel. They're used on 94-95 VDPs.
4) Yup and any of em except I'm not certain on S-Type wheels. Why would you want 18" Wheels tho? The car's suspension calibrations clash with that combo. Better to buy an XJR from the get-go.
5) Nope. Only on 2000+ S-Types. Unless you put an aftermarket head unit in and because of the slope of the console they look lousy.
6) If it's wellmaintained.. sure! Mine runs like new at 127,000 and I have yet to really have trouble with it. Make sure you can document the car's service history though.
Glad to help!
Bill
I have, beside my 74 Roadster and 2001 XJR, a 1988 with 115000 miles on it.
I have been very happy with it and the problems on it have been minimal and not very costly.
Bulb faillure module Rebuilt $ 49
Rack and pinion Rebuilt $ 300
2 rear shocks New $ 500
That's it and the car run perfect.
You also have to remember that by now, most of the problems will have been fixed by the owner.
I did a lot of trim modifications/upgrade on it.
Heated front seats
Black front vanes
Fog lights
Headlamp Powerwash
VDP/Daimler rear lights
Lighted,leather sunvisors
Rear headrest
Rear console extention
Rear blinds
Wood trim on roof console
VDP wood glove box
Dayton Wire Wheels,(I know that some peoples don't like them,but I think that,especialy on a black car, they look good)
New headliner. (had to remove windshield to fit)
I will never sell this car because, for the money I could get for it,it is not worth it.
For me the 88 have a great feature that later models,up to air bag cars,don't have.
I am talking about regular seat belts, not thoses stupid front motorized seat belts.
Do anyone have some experiences/feed back on changing the crankshaft pulley on the XJR to boost pressure on the supercharger?
Luc.
1. What size are the 95-97 Turbine wheels?
2. What is IIRC?
3. Never seen your 95. Would like to though.
4. Are you sure the 98 etc. XJR wheels are 18"? I have a picture of a 98 XJ6 (or maybe XJ8) with those wheels on.
5. What are my wheel options for a 95 VDP as far nice chromed ones like the Turbines or XJRs? 17" would be ideal.
Thanks a lot Bill!
http://www.mainjaguar.com/accessories/image/image1.shtml
and
http://www.mainjaguar.com/accessories/image/image2.shtml
My '97 VDP is great! Only 31K miles on it so far (I put the last 2K on it). Runs great, looks great. It's loaded with everything except the H-K sound system.
I have the 20-spoke alloy wheels. I think they look classy!
It's here, and it's great. Runs very well, and all the comfort I expected from a Jaguar. It really turns heads, and my women friends give me grief about having a new "babe magnet" for a car. It's nice that they told me now, since I'll soon be parting w/ my great 95 Saturn SL1, which was evidently NOT a babe magnet (especially in LIGHT PLUM exterior--yes I know, but it was a 2 year-old car w/ only 5K miles for under $10K in 97!). The proceeds (over $5K--talk about holding value!) will go directly to my Jag loan! Trading up is a wonderful thing.
The Jag dealer in town said that the A/C evap is leaking, and that it needs an alignment (an evident problem w/ vibration -- thanks to 97vdpguy for post # 148) and a few seals should be replaced, but they fixed the broken glovebox and replaced the antenna mast (+ the inspection) for about $250. Add the cost of a new key and keyless entry/alarm transmitter, and my out-of-pocket costs so far are about $400 over the $7,799 I paid for the car.
I do have a question, though: I've heard that an Alpine CD changer can be "plugged in" to the trunk very easily if I wanted to add one. Does anyone have info about how the 93's are wired in the trunk, and how easy is it to add the changer?
Craig
93 XJ40 81K (after a 1.1K trip from Houston!)
We had an 88 in the family. Dorchester Grey with Burgandy leather. Beautiful car bought new in May of '87. One of the very first in the country.
UGH! At least 8 door handles broke, severe electrical problems, serious A/C problems, water leaks, keyless entry issues, rear diff and head gasket both blew before 60K miles, you name it...
Over $10,000 in warranty work was done on that car alone.
Now, if you find one that's got a new diff, updated door handles, converted rear suspension..etc..
It can be a great car. However, for what 88-89s are going for, you can go to a 91 or so and get a much better car without the goofy gauges and without the slower 3.6L engine.
For your XJR.. go to http://www.arden.de
I've seen what their stuff can do firsthand )
Bill
95-97 XJRs use 17" Wheels and 255-45ZR17 Pirelli P-Zeros and the 98+ XJRs use 18"s with 255-40ZR18 Pirelli P-Zeros.. 99+ Vanden Plas S/Cs use very attractive 17" Wheels with 235-50ZR17 Pirelli P6000s. Those would look VERY nice on an earlier VDP if you can find a set.
Oh, Chrome is bad if youhave to drive in the snow unless you clean them DAILY and THOROUGHLY.
Oh, my 95...
IIRC=If I Remember Correctly
Bill
Well, if you're in Orlando/Central FL I know a GREAT technician...
I'd shop that evap leak. In the meantime, Cans of R134a are $2.99...
It's a pricey job.
As far as the CD Changers go, they mount just above the battery in a 93. Underneath the panel that's behind the rear window.
There's a plug behind that piece of carpet that covers the gas tank that plugs DIRECTLY into an Alpine CD CHanger if it's one of the following models:
CHM-S611
CHM-S620
$300 or so is the max you ought to pay for one.
Bill
You want to ideally stick with Jaguar OEM WHeels. I have yet to see a set of aftermarket wheels truly fit these cars properly with some very rare and very expensive exceptions.
Bill
1999 XJL with 30,000 miles, color topaz and in immaculate condition
(A) What would a good buying price be for this car?
(I) Since it is still under the new car warranty,
50,000 miles / 4 years would you run out the warranty and than add an extended one? Or would you add one now? Which one?
(I) Any special considerations with this automobile?
Thanks
A Jaguar Lover,
christchurch
Have you seen the car yet?
Also, I'd like everyone in hereto read the following webpage (If I haven't posted it yet)
http://www.vauxhallpa.50megs.com/paintwork.html
(delete the paintwork.html and you go to my Vauxhall Cresta page..)
OK, back to the XJ8L...
It's the right color combo for the car, and if it's clean.. Hmm...I'd say that current wholesale on it is about $29-30K or so, so noncertified retail is something like.. hmm... $32-33K.. $34-35K if certified.
As far as an aftermarket extended warranty... I'm not fond of them on Jags simply because they get VERY expensive.
Only consideration I can think of is to look for paintwork... if it's had a bunch of it you can whack those above numbers by 10% easily.
Bill
The next project is replacing the nearly 8 year-old speakers, and putting in my 400-watt amp and box in the trunk. (No, I'm not a bass-kicker, but I think an independent subwoofer is an important part of any stereo system).
I'll keep you updated as to my progress, and thanks again to Bill for ALL your great advice!
Craig
93 XJ6 81K
FIRST! Find a shop who's torn into a Jaguar BEFORE.
Also, due to the location of the fuel tank, sub boxes dont work well and are not easy to mount in these cars.
Get a line-level input amp with something like 50 watts RMS per channel.
Then get a set of super-high quality speaker components (Separate tweeters) either MB Quart, Boston Acoustics..etc.. 4"ers will fit.
Try that first.
Bill
I drove it on the highway and it stalled again when I was traveling 60mph!! Brought it back to the dealer immediately, where it is currently.
My question to this forum is: Has anyone else had this problem? What was the solution? Is Jaguar aware of this problem? (It is easy to get killed especially the way the highways are in Atlanta - 4 to 6 lanes across. I was lucky to be in the right lane).
My problem is that this has been my dream car for the last 30 years. I finally achieved that dream and now I'm afraid to drive it! Help!!!
If they are coverings, how do you remove them to get to the actual lug nut?
Bill, I looked at your photo a few posts up. Do you have wire wheels on your VDP?
This car appears to be immaculate.
It is an off - lease vehicle and it seems that the paint, body and interior is first class all the way. The maintance records are all there and the "owner" was scrupulas.
How does the mileage sound to you?
Since it is from a private dealer it will not have had the "select edition" certified treatment. So what would "a new owner" have to expect to repair or have checked right "out of the gate"?
Do you like this car and would you consider it an excellent buy if it can be "picked up" at "the right price"?
I will let you know more after my friend has a chance to check the mechanics, but an answer to the above questions would be helpful.
One further but different question.
What is your opinion of the S Type.
What could you expect to pick one up for.. both engine configurations, 6 and 8 ?
What mileage and price would you look for in a 2000 model?
Thanks, again for your continuing good advice!
A proud member of the Jaguar family!
christchurch
One question: I found an unattached plug yesterday, just above the battery and to the right. Looking at the connection plug, it has two thin sockets running side-by-side, then centered below those sockets another similar-looking socket. I think this is the CD changer connection, as it seems that's the only loose plug near the battery as Bill mentioned; if anyone knows for sure (has added a changer), I'd appreciate the help.
Also, thanks Bill for the good link on "how to spot paintwork" in msg. 282.
Craig
93 XJ6 81K
What did the dealer say? Also, what dealer are you taking it to? There's 2 in Atlanta... the one with the Italian name is not the one to go to from what I understand.
Bill
That no sound normal either. Possible they have somekind of aluminum caps on them. Maybe the PO (Previous owner) lost a couple... OEM Jag ones are VERY expensive.. Like $8 a piece. Not a lot of cash but a lot for lugnuts. If they are coverings they ought to just pop off
Wire wheels? Not on your life! I'd sooner put a chevy small block in the car and I'm not about to do that! yick....
Bill
But for a car with 20K you'll pay more.. so its' a toss-up. And this car is Topaz/Oatmeal. It's THE Color combo.
Is it a good buy? Well original MSRP was $60,330 with destination... plus options.. Cars typically sold for about.. ohh... $56K or so...
So to save over $20,000 it is a good buy.
Right out of the gate it won't need much. Tranny and diff are sealed for life, plugs need it at 100K, coolant is at 50K or 60K.. I'd guess that if it doesnt need them now that the tires, if original, are nearing the end of the road. Vor Z rated only. I suggest Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloces as replacements. Hmm... maybe brake pads... oil change? Icant think of much.
As far as S-types go.. Right now I'm buying clean 00 3.0s (I like to buy em with around 17K on the clock, mainly ex-Budget Rent-A-Car units. The 6-8K mile cars go for too much, and even though they're now really 2 years old, I dont like 1 model year old cars with 25K on them)...
Hmm.. if it's a good color I'm paying $30,500-31Kish...$29K or so for a "weak" color like BRG or Black.
On the 4.0s, they also hold residuals like the 3.0s... For, again, 15K or so mile 00s I'm paying about $33-34K for nice ones in a good color. But a loaded one with Deluxe Communication..Sport Package..etc.. In Say, Silver, Sapphire, etc.. that's a $35-36K car if the right buyers are there.
IMO, The 4.0 is the way to go. Similar economy and a real stormer with that engine.
Bear in mind that that 3.0 that I'm paying $31K for had a $39K or so original invoice. Thats not bad at all. Wholesale on the car has dropped $8K in almost 2 years. That's up there with a Lexus. 2000 Lexus GS300s, which invoiced at about $36K are doing $30K or so, a $6K loss and those GSs are the kings of resale. Jaguars are known for having terrible resale value, so the cars are firming up quite a bit. In 98, a 97 Vanden Plas was worth $38K or so wholesale..although they would settle down after the initial drop.
Always glad to help!
Bill
I'll take a pic of the plug and post it...
Bill
One question: I found an unattached plug yesterday, just above the battery and to the right. Looking at the connection plug, it has two thin sockets running side-by-side, then centered below those sockets another similar-looking socket. I think this is the CD changer connection, as it seems that's the only loose plug near the battery as Bill mentioned; if anyone knows for sure (has added a changer), I'd appreciate the help.
Also, thanks Bill for the good link on "how to spot paintwork" in msg. 282.
Craig
93 XJ6 81K
Here is the nightmare; I live in Indiana where we do not have front license plates. While I was in sighing the papers, they were "cleaning buffing and waxing" my new car. When I got home I noticed that they mounted a cheap, plastic, cracked, "license plate mounting bracket" and put a advetising plate in it. Upon closer examination and removal I found that they drilled right through my bumper a couple of times on each side of the plate bracket to get this plate bracket to to stay attached (for the mean time) to my bumper. I'm just sick about it. I love the car but my initial reaction was take it back on Monday. My wife wants to keep it and so do I. The sale/lease price was $28,000.00 is that a good price?
WHERE CAN I FIND A QUALITY LICENSE PLAT MOUNTING BRACKET? INTERNET? DO JAGUAR DEALERS HAVE THEM? ABOUT HOW MUCH?
CAN A BODY MAN FILL THE HOLES IN THE PLASTIC? IF SO, WHAT SHOULD THAT COST? Please help us with info, we want to keep this car. Feel free to e-mail me at djspensions@home.com
I have just recently purchased a 98 VDP. We picked the car up and as my wife was driving the car it stalled in the freeway at 65 MPH. Fortunately she got it to the side of the road. I took it to the Jag dealer in Houston. They cleaned the throttle body assembly. They told me that the car will stall if this sticks open. The dealer removed the throttle body and cleaned it under warranty and we have had not seen any more stalling. Now it purrs like a kitten.
Sincerely,
A reformed Volvo owner
I'll see what I can't find out today.
As far as that plate bracket goes... Jag dealers sell em for $30 each or so. Heck, I have one lying around you can have but I'm in FL.
The car most likely had one originally though, and they do crack pretty often. It's not a big deal really. If you want the holes filled and painted.. figure $200 or so but its' likely that the car had those holes drilled to begin with is my guess. I can take a pic of an OEM one andpost it if you'd like.
Troncalli: They seriously PO'd me once when I had a minor problem whilein Atlanta. REALLY PO'd me... Henessey was excellent.
Craig: I'll snag a pic of the CD Cable when it stops raining!
tvolvo: Probably a bad incline sensor or trunk switch. Is that trunk properly closed? Wheel bearings bad? Ouch. Not normal, and they are sealed. try: www.jagbits.com or www.coventrywest.com for parts.
Bill
I have experienced two such incidents and had a friend who, likewise, has experienced the same.
First, about, 12 years ago, in the depths of winder (10 degrees above zero) on a skiing trip, the engine stalled at 65 mph.
It turned out that a "main electrical power fuse from the alternator" blew do to what the mechanic thought was "melted snow" which had blown (somehow) into the wiring coupling (read Lucus electrical.... which says it all !) while parked several days in a high wind drifted ski resort parking lot.
Who knows, but the fuse link was replaced and I never had the problem again.
The second incident was several months ago, in a 1995, while traveling along the interstate at 75 mph. All of a sudden, the engine quit. This time, it was a failed fuel pump, which, after being towed, the dealer replaced swiftly and ably.
Finally, one friend, had an engine failure in a 1999 when on the interstate the car went into "limp mode". After driving at 35 mph for 50-75 nervous miles,the problem was diagnosed as a failed electronic sensor. It was repaired under warranty. They have not had a problem with their Jag for the two years since.
These problems were experienced as one of a kind in otherwise very trouble free years of motoring.
One further note, in all cases the dealers were terrific.
They handled every detail with professionalism and a extrodinary degree of courtesy.
Keep on Jagin!
christchurch