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Nissan Maxima vs. Honda Accord
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BTW, in retrospect, I suppose the 2000 did qualify as a redesign (that word again!). My mistake on that count. I guess my memory was clouded since the broomstick rear suspension was carried over.
As for the current Maxima I thought the best Maxima design was the 1997-1999 one. The 2000+ is better looking than the current Camry and Accord but still wouldn't buy it. The Max is a good car but the front end and back end just don't match. I wish the Japanese would stop trying to cater to the domestic 3 buyer with exterior designs 2000 model year and up already. They are making some of the younger buyers mad especially me.
I see that you are an accountant, since you like the accord so much. Your idea of a project consists of fixing the cell width on your spreadsheet, when you count someone else’s money. I think that the only reason you stay on all the posts related to Accord is to convince yourself that you made the right choice by buying this ugly car, no matter though, I don’t think that people even pay attention to you when you drive your very unattractive vehicle, you have nothing to worry about .
Unlike you I get to compare the cars I talk about and DRIVE them for more then 1 day.
My so called "in-depth" project was 2.5 Million dollar control systems upgrade for #3 largest cement producer in the world, and it has nothing to do with the value of my wife's Maxima. I just compared 3 cars and expressed my honest opinion,
only I did not choose to attack anyone on this post in particular. However in your case I will make an exception; Like I said before, if you really think that your accord is such a great car- good for you, but my 350 Z will not only look 100 times better next to your accord, but also blow the paint of your doors, in any gear - get it, got it, good.
Now lets get on with it
Also, can you refer to the CEO of a cement producing company as a cement head?
Hey, after 5 hours of CNN, anything would seem funny!
The beam was great for space utilization, and perfectly fine when you travelling on a smooth surface. But if you hit a bump, or two, in the middle of a curve at highway speed.....
Allow me to stereotype for a minute: Accord owners are not boring, just well-adjusted with a secure self-image. Your posts (352 and 403) are full of comments about ugliness and what other people will think of you at stoplights and who can beat who off the line. Do I wish the Accord had a more attractive shape in the rear? Sure. Did it affect in any way my decision to buy what was by far the best car for my needs? Not for a second. The look of the car in no way affects its comfort, handling, interior refinement and ergonomics, safety or reliability, and all of those are the reasons I bought the car. You can think whatever you want at the stoplight and I won't care a bit. People with similar approaches to you are the ones who buy a monster SUV when what they needed was a minivan, and they pay dearly in purchase, gasoline and repair costs to protect their fragile feelings of self-worth by projecting the adventurous outdoor image they wish they could fulfill. I choose to drive an Accord and send my kids to private school, and even though I could do both I also choose to save for an early retirement.
When I'm 75 and comfortably, even affluently retired for nigh on 20 years, I'll regularly be offered shopping carts and "fries with that" by people who overspent buying and repairing cars that projected a sufficiently _____ (pick one: sporty, rugged, macho, regal) image of them, and used the same poor logic in maxing out their debt on the right clothes, house, etc. Read "The Millionaire Next Door" and you'll see what I mean. In the meantime, enjoy your Z. I owned one in the 80's and had a good time in it, but I've matured since then. With luck, you will as well; if not, I might just see you at Wal-Mart.
Clearly, the price difference between those two sedans will not affect anyone's retirement, nor should any single car purchase as long as they don't get ridiculous. I agree with you that my comments would be more appropriate on the BMW board, or any of the many others that offer image cars in the $40K-plus segment, but this is where the discussion was, and as an Accord owner, I can't be accused of being an interloper on the board.
My main point was directed toward the tone of his comments, which are symptomatic of many people's need to buy stuff to maintain their image. A significant percentage of our country is spending themselves into the poorhouse doing this.
Stick to the cars. If you want to get personal with each other, take it off-line.
Thank you.
Concerning current designs, I prefer the "sportier" look of Nissan, over the more IMO "classier" (whatever that means) designs of Honda, but I do think that Honda's designs aren't as bad as some propose. The success of the styling of the Accord depends on what series( LX, EX etc.) it is; the sedan with wheel covers looks pretty bad to me, while the models with alloys look pretty classy despite the "Buick Skylark tailights". The coupe is definitely a success as I have seen a lot more of them here at Penn State than the sedans. I like the RSX, and TSX, even if they are a bit bland, but I seem to be in a minority who doesn't like the MDX.
I guess what I am trying to say is, different companies have varying philosophies on design (Honda is more clean-cut, classy, and Nissan is perceived as more sporty), but at least they don't look like GM cars, or Toyota (the Japanese Buick):)
I wouldn't dismiss a certain car/truck just because of styling, even the Accord with its "questionable" rear end, because you would be ignoring the other positive elements such as nice interior, and perceived reliability of previous Accords.
Accords and Maximas are both great cars!!! I would certainly pick those over the wallowy boat called the Camry.
Ah - if only car manufacturers know what we really want!! BTW, the 04 Max is trying to do that, but its MSRP is not very user-friendly. Oh, I always forgot .... let's throw in AWD as an option for those of us who live in the snow belt.
The last half of RSX is really neat design. I just don't like that severely drooping nose and headlights.
I'm with you on MDX too, it's very impressive. Too bad Pilot has none of the flair!
1) Maxima owners defending their car's honor, by making statements such as: "More powerful, better looking, more sporty and more fun"
Let's analyze this for a moment:
a) More powerful => yes, a little bit, but enough to make a difference.
b) Better looking => purely subjective opinions, unless the consumer report comes out with a score for style, this argument should be pure speculation at best.
C) More sporty, once again purely subjective.
d) More fun=> define fun,
2) Accord Owners Defending their car's honor, and trying to prove to others and themselves that they did the right choice, by buying the Accord and not the Maxima (even though they secretly wish they bought the "sporty, and more fun to drive" Maxima. Right?)
And once again the list of arguments goes on and on and on, most of it are pure speculations, with NO real EVIDENCE.
The bottom line is, we like to play this game and see if we can convince each other that my car is better; good luck to us all.
What happens to an object that is pulled to the opposite sides with the same amount of force:
IT DOESN'T MOVE, kind of like this message board.
So while I don't argue that the Maxima (at least the old ones) is a very nice car I have never looked into the garage and wished a Maxima was there instead of my Accord.
What are you Max fans expecting from the new model?
I do agree the Accord looks better in person that does in photos but still its a far cry from last generation or generations of Accords before it because of the "Americanizing" of it.
I read from autoweek Detroit cars are now engineered to go 100K, but probably will have to match the Japanese for competitive reasons.
Another note...lots of people buy those 86-89 models with the flip up headlights for next to nothing and many I know have over 150K and 200K miles on them, as if it were 75-100K for other cars.
I have always believed that the 1990-1993 Accord was the best looking Accord. It also was the best selling generation of the Accord.
As an original owner of a 95 Maxima GLE with 192,xxx miles on it, it still looks great, inside and out. All the electronics and accessories still work on the car, just like they did when it was new.
My 18 year old son is chomping at the bit to own it (he'll get it as a hand me down when my new Murano arrives) and has all kinds of plans for "increasing it's performance".
I have no doubts is will get him through his next 4 years of college and I have no qualms at all about letting him drive it back and forth to school (225 miles each way).
That's of course only my personal experience with a vehicle.