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2013 and earlier-Mercedes Benz E-Class Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    No, you made it clear. I thought you had the Super Pilots before, which is why you like them. When I need tires eventually, I'll check with you because your probably severaly months ahead of me. I'll check out our local tire stores as well as the MB dealer which I bought the car.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    Not necessarily! I only have 2800 miles on the car and I've had it for over 4 months. I only drive about 9000 miles a year so my guess is that you will need tires before I need them. I expect to keep this car for at least 3 years which is when Mercedes usually makes a major body change (about once every 7 years). So I expect that the next Mercedes I purchase will be when they make that major change in body and engine.

    I understand they are working on a new engine with 300+ horsepower which will attain over 35 mpg's on the highway. Another car that looks pretty sharp is that new Lexus GS. The only problem I have with Lexus is that they are made by Toyota. A women who lives a few buildings away from me lost control of her 2004 Camry yesterday while driving in our condo area. Her car unexpectedly accelerated and she lost control of her car. She crashed into a tree along our major drive. Quite a bit of damage to both her car and this huge ficus tree. She was taken to the hospital and is still hospitalized. This all took place in a posted 25 mph zone. I live in a huge condo community with about 2200 units on a 900 acre parcel with golf course. So I am still a little wary of Toyota products.

    We'll compare notes when we get replacement tires, which will be sometime next year!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    edited February 2012
    I put on about 12,000 miles a year, so I'll probably be the guinea pig for new tires. I've had 4 Lexus cars over the years: 2 ES series and 2 GS series. The ES is a very good value and has a lot of standard features at a bit less cost than MB or BMW. However, it is a very cushy ride (I had the ES as my first entry level Lexus on 3 year leases). The GS has a better ride and handling (not as responsive as a BMW, but noticably more than the ES) and also is a good value. I haven't driven the new GS though. I know the residual value on the GS was not as good as BMW or Lexus. When I leased my BMW in 2009, the payments on it were $100/month less than the GS. I didn't care for the MB at the time and so got the BMW. I'm very happy with my 2012 E350 and since I'm buying it, hope to keep it 5 years even if body style and engine changes.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    Used to be a Lexus fan. When I lived in Palm Desert and Chatsworth, I leased a 1976 ES300 and again in 1999 I leased another ES300. In 2001, I leased a GS300 and, I must admit, the GS300 was nice, but a little soft, as you mentioned. That's when I went to BMW with a 530i. Finally went back to Mercedes (had Mercedes in 1986, 87, 91 and 94) in 2008 after that bad experience with 2-2008 535i's - the first one I bought, the second one was replaced by BMW because they couldn't fixt the first one. Then, when I had the same exact problem on the second one they built for me, I asked for, and received my money back and went right to Mercedes. Been with them ever-since.

    But I did take note of that new GS that just came out and it is really sharp looking. Something to think about in the future, definitely not now. Quite frankly, I personally feel the Mercedes sport package is just a tad too stiff for me. But, when you're having fun with a car, you tend to overlook some of the imperfections in the ride. I think, from experience, that the Mercedes sport package rides just a harshly as the BMW sport package in the 5 series.

    As for those tires, you are correct in assuming you will be getting replacements before I will. Besides, the more stop and go driving you do, the faster these tires will wear out.

    Take care!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    edited February 2012
    I had an opportunity to take a neighbor of mine over to a brand new Mercedes Dealership owned by the same company as the one I got my Mercedes at! My neighbor preferred purchasing his new car at the new dealership (only about 2 miles from where we live) because he did not want to drive the extra 15 miles to my dealership. Since he knows I have purchased many Mercedes Benz vehicles, so he wanted me to help him with negotiations.

    The dealership is truly beautiful, but unfortunately the people who work inside are not - what I mean is they are assertive, overly aggressive and very unpleasant. When we pulled up in my car (my neighbor had just sold his car privately) we were met outside the front door (he didn't even let us get inside before starting his pitching). He asked why we were coming into his dealership since he noticed I was driving a new 2012 E350, and we told him my friend was interested in a new car. He then had the nerve to ask me why I didn't take him to my dealership (he saw the name of my dealership on my license plate frame) to get his car - "...were you unhappy with your salesperson?" I could not believe his nasty approach, but I held my tongue, as did my neighbor, and walked into the showroom. The salesperson followed us in and immediately started on my friend - "...are you going to buy or lease your new car today or are you just looking?" It took less than 10 seconds for my friend to ask for a different person to speak with. The salesperson went right for his manager and things got even worse! The manager came over and asked what the problem was, and after my neighbor explained his reason, the manager said if he didn't want to work with the salesperson who waited in him, he could take his business someplace else!

    I personally have never had an experience like that in all the years I've been buying cars!

    I wonder how long it will be before corporate changes the management of that new dealership?

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • kevinc5kevinc5 Posts: 204
    I've never run into that attitude at any dealership, much less a Mercedes dealer...but if you don't name the dealer your story isn't much help to anyone.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    edited February 2012
    I've already taken steps regarding the manager! To mention the name of the dealership solves no problems! My direct contact with corporate will! And I'm quite sure that anyone who gets treated that way would do what we did on Thursday - buy a car someplace else!!!

    This is the reason I buy my cars where I do! I'm treated like a member of the family, not like a member of a herd of livestock!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 920
    Sounds like every Toyota dealer I've ever visited. If you aren't ready to buy right now, go away.

    You really should post the dealer's name or location here. Part of the benefit of these forums is finding the outstanding dealers and knowing the "not so outstanding" ones.
  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    The Sport Package compared to the Luxury Package? Or another sport suspension package? I understand that 9 out of 10 2012 E350's are the sport package and very few dealers even have the Luxury Package.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    I was talking about the sport package you and I have. It is a little hard riding, just like the BMW 5 Series with sport package. Now the 5 series sport package requires run-flats which are even harsher in terms of ride.

    I'm not as young and spry as I used to be, and my back suffers from hard riding cars. I think I have too much air in the tires even though I have them inflated exactly at the pressure recommended by Mercedes. I just think 36 front and 38 rear are a bit much. What I might do is drop it two pounds which might help. Also, the tires have nitro fill which tend to ride a little stiffer than air.

    I tried the luxury model, but I hated the wheels and the style of the front grille and sides of the car. Luckily I don't drive in heavy traffic.

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • lawcarlawcar Posts: 81
    edited February 2012
    I didn't mind the styling of the luxury model, but the ride was too cushy and non-responsive for me (although others have their own legitimate opinions). I didn't like the idea of required run-flat tires on the BMW either.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    Remember, you went from a BMW 5 series to the Mercedes E350 Luxury. I would imagine the ride would be too soft and unresponsive for you. I found the same thing when I went from the 535i to the E350. Luxury ride was not only cushy, but cornering and handling were lacking in my opinion. That is why I bought the sport model.

    I went up to my dealership this morning and he said my tires were overinflated by 4 pounds. Fronts had 38 and rears had 40. So he made them 32 and 34 COLD INFLATION so when I got on the road, the pressures were 25 and 37. Much easier on my back. He also took all the nitrogen out fo the tires and redid them 4 times. He said by reinflating them that many times with nitrogen, you reduce the amount of non-nitrogen gases in the tires. So, not only was there about 20% air in the tires, but that's why I was unhappy with the ride.

    Now, it's like a different car. He also told me that with these low profile tires, if they get overinflated, they ride like rocks and have the potential for being more easily damaged. So, that's the story.

    And as for run-flats, they are even worse. But, they do serve a purpose - no spare!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 920
    edited February 2012
    He said by reinflating them that many times with nitrogen, you reduce the amount of non-nitrogen gases in the tires. So, not only was there about 20% air in the tires, but that's why I was unhappy with the ride.

    Nitrogen in tires has nothing at all to do with the ride. The air we breathe is 78% Nitrogen....so if your tire was just inflated with air, it would have about 20% non nitrogen gasses so I just love the 20% air statement. If your tires were inflated with 80% pure nitrogen and 20% air, then the total nitrogen in your tire would be 96%. Your dealer apparently is selling what he heard and misunderstood.

    It sounds like your dealer was trying to justify why you paid for Nitrogen in the first place.

    The only place nitrogen helps is that it expands/contracts slightly less than "air" so your pressure doesn't change quite as much when the tire heats up or the outside temperature changes. It's an extremely "high profit" item for dealers so they push it hard on buyers by extolling it's non existent virtues.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    I did not pay anything extra for nitro-fill. All his new and used cars have nitro-fill. When you pull into his service island to drop off your car, if you need air, all they have is nitro-fill.

    As far as your comments, I am no expert in this, so I cannot take exception with any of your comments. All I do know is that nitro-fill adds nitrogen, not air (the hydrogen-oxygen-type). I know that the less oxygen in tires, less oxidation occurs with the rubber (synthetic of course). That's all I know about nitro-fill! And, my car is no longer riding as hard as it did.

    Thanks for the info!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • ghstudioghstudio Posts: 920
    The better ride is due to the lower tire pressure. The Nitro-fill is a marketing gimmic. It doesn't hurt, but it's also not worth very much. As I said, almost 80% of the air we breathe is Nitrogen anyway......
  • I HAVE FOUND THE PRE-OWNED MBZ I WANT TO BUY AT KEYES EUROPEAN IN VAN NUYS,CA.THE TROUBLE IS KEYES DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GO TO THE HOUSE OF IMPORTS IN BUENA PARK,CA AND HAVE THE CAR TRANSFERRED TO HOUSE OF IMPORTS AND BUY THE CAR FROM THEM. HOUSE OF IMPORTS HAS A BETTER REPUTATION.MY FRIEND GOT 15% OFF MSRP ON THE LAST DAY OF THE MONTH. IT WAS POURING RAIN THAT DAY ( APRIL 30 ). WHAT DO YOU THINK? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.
  • Dealers don't "transfer" used cars to other dealers, assuming these two aren't owned by the same company. They may sell it to another dealer if they can cover the acquisiton cost, inspection, service labor, parts, lot, and detail cost, and then mark it up some, but the second dealer will mark it up as well. And if this is a certified car, the second dealer would have to start that process from scratch.

    Your best bet is to just wait until your preferred dealer gets in something you like.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,125
    You hit the nail right on the head! If he likes the car, he can buy it there and have everything else done by the preferred dealership.

    New cars are dealer-traded all the time but used cars are not - not even certified used cars. You can't have your cake and eat it too in this case!

    2014 Mercedes Benz CLS 550 - best car ever! 2nd best car ever, my 1967 Corvette Stingray Coupe with 435 hp.

  • kevinc5kevinc5 Posts: 204
    Buy it at Keyes and take it where you want for service.
    Thanks for mentioning the dealers.
  • kevinc5kevinc5 Posts: 204
    Does Mercedes have any current loyalty or conquest discounts for the E350? If so, how much? Thanks.
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