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The fix is to simply update the software through the OBD II port. It takes only about 15 minutes after it's hooked up.
I mentioned the TSB to my dealer and he had no trouble finding it, but I don't know where or if it is available online; it's not a recall, just a service issue.
Good luck!
I called Ford to ask about stability control on the 2002 Explorer and they told me the availability date is November 5th. I don't know if that means the first build date or an estimate of when they will be on dealers lots. I assume that the Mountaineer is on about the same timetable.
And I have a beautiful set of PIAA Dual 90 driving/fog lights that I can't see any place to install on the EB. I know it comes with fog lamps, but I've got the PIAAs already. Has anyone added lights to the EB? Is a grill guard an option, and has anyone installed a good looking grill guard on an EB or Mountaineer?
Thanks for any input
cdavant@pol.net
Any incentives that become available prior to delivery are good. The only thing I can think of that would change that is if an incentive stated specifically it could not be used with another offer. When we ordered our Exploder, Ford Credit had an interest rate of 6.9%. It dropped between the time we ordered it and when it was delivered, but we got the lower rate.
Thank you sir...may I have another. I always like to keep my audience riveted.
teo,
or is that geo, as in Metro or Prizm or Tracker, or whatever it is you drive?
Nice comeback dude. Quite frankly, I expected more from someone who wouldn't venture into the lowly Explorer boards. After all, there isn't any action in here. Why not go back to the GM triplet boards and find out how to correct the next problem you're destined to experience? He-he.
Please leave the personal attacks out of your messages, and stick to discussing the vehicles.
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I don't have homelink and I'm wondering if I'm missing anything great without it. Is it just a garage door opener? I was thinking about the steering wheel and wondering why I would want it telescoped out. Would that bring it closer to my chest and face and cause me more airbag injury risk?? I'm just trying to rationalize not trying to hold out longer for these options, but really I had no choice as my lease on my 98 mount was up.
Yes,for those who asked,the ride is better (still not a luxury car by any means) It feels slightly bigger, looks a lot bigger, the kids love the 3rd seat but miss the rear audio controls they had in the 98, and the neighbor's kids think it looks cool.
Thanks for listening. Any comments would be appreciated.
Find another Ford/Mercury dealer to bring it to right away.
fuel economy should be computed, but here are the
results.
First of all this is not a high altitude car and
an awful lot of these numbers are from altitudes
of 5,000' and higher. The owners manual cautions
you about buying the 85 octane fuel in high
altitude locations, as a result almost all fuel
is mid or premium grade. The 22.5 gallon tank
makes it neccessary to buy fuel only twice a day
on a trip like this - full at departure and one
fill up at lunch - fillup at days end.
677 miles on the first day (refueled in Amarillo)
ended day at Pueblo, CO - 19.025 mpg.
619 miles the second day (refueled in Rawlings,
WY) refueled at intersection of I-80 and US40
very near Park City (Park City is not a cheap
place to buy fuel!) 20.365 mpg.
Nearly all of this driving was at the speed limits of 65 to 75 mph. All across the plains
of WY (elevations 6,000' to 8,000' ASL) the limit
is 75 mph and that is what the cruise control was
set on. For 1,312 miles (some local driving in TX was on the first tank) 66.022 gals. and an
average 19.87 mpg.
A recent tank fillup that encompassed only 191.9
miles (1/3 around town and the rest going down
hill into Salt Lake and back up the hill to P/C)
was 10.621 gals - 18.067 mpg. The vehicle has
over 3,000 miles now and this was all COSTCO
91 octane fuel.
Will write more when we return to TX at the
begining of next month. That trip will be through the mountains of CO to intersect I-25
south of Pueblo and will be an interesting
comparison to the all interstate driving.
My wife's V8 2WD with tow pack is up to 16.5 in purely city driving. With every tank the thing has improved. It's up to 3500 miles now...probably going to level off, but I can live with that.
I have a V8 2WD Mountaineer on order and it will cost $1,200 LESS than an Explorer EB with the same equipment. Some earlier posts here alerted me to this advantage. The person who asked about the headrest diffrences probably rented a base Explorer. It seems Ford made a mistake, as the bass Explorer loks better than the XLT, EB, and Limited with their ugly lower body plastic pieces. If I had bought an Explorer, I would have removed the plastic parts and had base model bumpers painted and installed.
Has anyone experienced similar problems ?
We love it except for the harsh/firm shifting. At 3,000 miles I brought it back to the Dealer for oil/filter change and explained how it would slam into gear so hard it felt we ran over someone
or drove over a huge speed bump (doesn't do this all the time).
Service Mgr informed me that the transmission needs to learn how to shift and after it gets more miles on it it will get better. It's been 6,000 miles and it still hasn't learned. Brought it to another Dealer and got the same story but, they said they would contact Ford to see if there is a solution.
Anyone having the same experience? If so, let me know if you found a Dealer that cured the problem and how they did it?
I had read were the contol module can be re-programed but, my Dealer knows nothing about that fix.
Thank you
Sorry if I excited anyone with my mpg story. I'll calculated it the conventional way on my next trip and report it here. I do know it gets better mileage than the V6 Explorer ever did.
Thanks
cm
It only occurs in this way:
You come out of the super market and use the key
fob to unlatch the window in the rear hatch.
As the stuff is being loaded, my wife wants to get into the car. I used the manual unlock
button, adjacent to the rear hatch, to unlock the
remaining doors. When a door is opened the
Anti Theft Alarm is activated. The rear hatch
window is still open when this occurs.
It does not happen every time that this same scenario takes place - just on occasion. I have
stopped using this method to open the remaining doors and of course have not had a recurrence.
Anybody have any ideas about why this might be happening?
Just thought I'd post this in case others are having similar problems. I'm not too upset since it appears to have been a bad part from the start, not a bad design that worked for a while then broke.
If they could only fix the rattle in the driver's door...
I have a 2-year old daughter that will ride in the middle position of the 2nd row, while leaving the outboard positions available for adults, as need be. The 3d row seat would be needed occasionally, and, otherwise, the cargo area is far more useful than the MDX or ML offer.
Would anyone care to share your ownership experience to date with your Explorer or Mountaineer? Why you chose the version you did, etc.? I'm looking for something that will offer the creature comforts found in the EB/Ltd or Mountaineer trim levels, as this vehicle will by wife's primary ride (I have a '00MY Lincoln LS that I love!) but I will put plenty of miles on this vehicle as well. In all, this vehicle will be the family work horse and probably see 20K miles per year. Any help, recommendations would be appreciated.
What kind of fuel mileage are you getting on the V6? What's your impression of acceleration and passing power? I would appreciate it if other's would provide their feedback as well. I'm leaning toward the V8 engine for improved passing power and hill climbing (for long, 7% highway grades, as opposed to steep off-road trails).
Has the rear lift-gate glass issue been adequately resolved? What tires choices seem to be best?
marty rankell
low mileage V6 2WD Explorer. As the message
states the figures were collected before the
ownners manual recommends mileage be computed.
There is plenty of power for hill climbing with
the V6 on a 2WD model. With 4 adults and 2
children in car seats my Explorer will climb out
of the Salt Lake Valley, (I don't know what the
gradient is) where you go from abou 4,500 ft.
above sea level to 7,000 ft. ASL in about 15 or
20 miles, without straining. All the while
maintaning the 65 mph speed limit. It does
require energy management - don't get bogged
down behind an 18 wheeler and expect lightning acceleration back to 65. The OHC V6 appears to have far more acceleration than the push rod
V6 in my '93. If I were going to tow a boat or camping trailer there would be no doubt about the need for the V8.
As for the new 02, My worst gas mileage has been 15.6 average miles-per-gallon tankful with a full load of kids/adults (6) and stuff on the roof + both air conditioners going. The best was with just me on the freeway and using the air cond only on my way home.. that was a 17.8 average mile-per-gallon tankful.
I like the "small things" like the memory seats that are heated, and the brushed metal look inside. On another tack here, I was rear-ended in it in Santa barbara on vacation and was hit hard -- hard enough to gash the rear bumper cover and that was minor. More minor than I expected as I was hit hard. No damage to the absorber back there or the parts under the bumper cover!
fiery1: Recalls are done to correct potentially unsafe conditions. Once performed, I wouldn't feel too concerned about the vehicle's safety. While you seemed to have more than your fair share of problems with your 97 Explorer, perhaps some of your difficulty was attributed to your dealer (maybe not). I dont mean to sound "preachy", but periodic maintenance is key when you plan to keep the vehicle for many years, and that usually entails good communication with your dealer's service shop. Also, not all dealerships are the same. If you aren't getting your vehicle serviced to your satisfaction, you should definitely seek out another.
The good thing about domestic brands is that you usually have many more choices than with imports, not to mention spare part costs. That consideration alone heavily influences my decision to purchase the Explorer/Mountaineer rather than the Mercedes. I live in Phoenix, Arizona, where there are 2 Mercedes dealerships. Outside of Phoenix, you'll find 1 more in Tucson, then you have to go to California! No thanks. If I have a problem near the Grand Canyon, I know I can get repairs implemented quickly if need be. I'm not trying to slam Mercedes, or any import for that matter, it's just that vehicles are complicated machines that will break-down, regardless of whether they're taken care of or not.
I happen to like the interior versatility of the Explorer/Mountaineer over any other offering in the mid size SUVs. It doesn't hurt that it's also a domestic.
As an aside, I have an all aluminum 3.9L V8 in my Lincoln LS (Jaguar design - used also in the Jag S-Type). On all accounts, this has been a very reliable engine. I wouldn't be deterred by the fact that it's an all aluminum desgin. All the major manufacturers have gone to aluminum blocks in recent years without trouble.
Car maintenance can be both frustrating and expensive. For most people, maintenance issues are a complete mystery, unable or unwilling to understand or trust their dealership service advisors. In many cases, the mistrust is well founded. There are plenty of lousy service shops out there, and they can be associated with any brand of vehicle, not just Ford.
The average person is far better off trying to work with their dealer/service shop in a positive rather than antagonistic manner. I don't know if that is the case with the person that posted earlier, but it's awfully easy to place the blame on a manufacturer for problems that are caused (or not solved) by dealers. Sorry if I don't sound objective, but I happen to own a Ford product (my first actually -- a 2000 Lincoln LS) and have been thoroughly impressed with it, and my dealer.
My two previous cars were Nissans. While I was pleased with the cars over the 10 years I owned them, the service department that used to take care of me gradually declined (through personnel turnover) to the point where I was put-off enough to find another dealer for service.
One other thing mazman . . . lay off on the personal attacks, they don't do anyone any good. You don't know me, so don't pretend that you do.
Anyone have any suggestions for obnoxious his and her vanity plates?