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Story is-- that no UV protection was used on these lens. To replace both is $400. Thus far WD40 seems to work short term. I would appreciate some feedback
Story is, that no UV protection was used on these lens. To replace both is $400. Thus far WD40 seems to work short term. I would appreciate some feedback
1. The driver's side seat heater quite working. The grid had burned up and needed to be replaced. Not a necessity, but had it replaced. That was just over $200.
2. I was out in the yard one evening and my headlights came on and went of by themselves a couple of times while it was parked in the driveway with nobody in it. Found out there was a short in the multifunction switch and it needed to be replaced. Seems to work OK now, but it was just under $200.
3. One day the driver's side window rolled down and wouldn't roll back up. The motor was fine (you could hear it trying to move the window). Turns out a little plastic piece that held the cable broke. Of course you can't replace just that piece, you have to replace the whole assembly. Not really an optional repair. It was a little over $300 for that.
4. All of a sudden, one day I stepped on the brakes and started hearing/feeling a grinding. Took it in immediately and found out that the front calipers were sticking and not releasing. They couldn't say how long it had been going on, but it was apparently happening intermittently for enough time (no symptoms) that it had caused the front brake pads to crystallize. At that point, the only thing stopping the vehicle was the rear brakes. The amount of heat generated by the sticking calipers had also warped the rotors. Had to have the front calipers, rotors, and brake pads replaced. Went ahead and replaced the rear brake pads at that point too. That was about $675.
Up until this point, I was pretty satisfied with my JGC but I am now looking to replace it. I can't afford to own a vehicle that is just barely engineered to make it through the warranty period before it starts to self destruct.
Which brings me back to one problem that the dealer can't seem to pinpoint or fix. Periodically (happens randomly about 3 times a year), when listening to the radio, it will just shut off. The volume goes to zero and the clock goes back 12, but all of the preset stations will still be set. The dealer cannot repeat the problem or find anything wrong with the vehicle. I am now on my 3rd stereo and it still happens. I have just given up on that problem. When it happens, I just turn the radio back up, reset the clock, and go on down the road. Anyone else had this problem?
I'm not sure how you arrived at $250/mo payments as the standard of comparison ($1400/6 mo?). Also, I'm not sure what gave you the impression that I would be paying cash for a new vehicle.
Like most people with a 3 1/2 year old vehicle, I am still making payments (about $455/mo). Trading in the GC would save money is because it is currently out of warranty. I cannot afford to pay another round of $1400 out of pocket for repairs while still making $455/mo payments on it!
Had 105,000 miles on my '96 when I noticed occasional slippage between 2nd and 3rd while accelerating. Then came the non-engaging of reverse while attempting to back out of my garage and, when it did engage, it did so with a loud slam and a jerk. So I took it to AAMCO, which had done excellent work on previous vehicles, and they informed me that I needed a complete rebuild due to numerous worn components. Right around $2k for a like-new tranny.
Excellent work, and it shifted like a dream for another 5,000 miles until six months later, or just last week early January '05.
Then I started noticing some slight RPM fluctuations while cruising at freeway speeds, kind of like it was trying to downshift for a few microseconds, then stabilizing again. This was on and off for a few days and then it started occuring with increased frequency. I made an appointment to take it to AAMCO and they made an initial dianosis of a malfunctioning speed sensor circuit. They asked me to drop it off the next morning since they were swamped with work.
I drove it for an extra day since they said I couldn't damage anything and that I would just experience the erratic shifting. It got really worse the next day and I thought I'd have to pull onto the freeway shoulder and call home for a ride. At freeway speed it suddenly would shift out of overdrive and I'd find myself doing 65+ mph at 3,000 rpm, then it would pop back into OD whenever it felt like it. At one point I had absolutely no pull and it felt like I had put it into neutral, but I was still in Drive! Fortunately, I made it home with minimal carnage and was able to drive it to the shop.
They spent all day diagnosing and troublshooting the problem and what they found surprised them and me. It was a broken wire on the speed sensor connector cable. It apparently was making minimal contact and sending erratic shift signals, which explains why sometimes it shifted normal and at other times it went ballistic. Any small bump in the road would readjust the broken wire.
So after the fix, it now shifts like a charm, and they had told me the day after I picked up the vehicle that there would be no charge for the work since it was such a simple discrepancy. I felt kind of guilty about not being charged for their labor, so the morning I picked up the Jeep I gave their office two dozen assorted fresh Krispy Kreme donuts.
Thanks for reading.
Al
In response to:
"So you are going to be able to sell it for the same price you paid for it? Cool!"
If you have nothing of value to add to the thread, please keep the sarcastic/antagonistic comments to yourself. Your feedback does not contain any useful or helpful information, which I believe to be the purpose of this forum.
Your question is asinine. Please refrain from responding to my posts.
Thanks.
tidester, host
tidester, host
I've done the same thing too many times, believe me! I just hate to see people repeat my own mistakes. Sorry for the poor way it came across; My wit is often too dry-or totally lacking altogether...
I am also new to this forum but share the same problem with my A/C system on my 04 overland. Yes, it will drive you crazy. It took my dealer 1 year to finally realize that there is a problem. You can time it to the second. Mine does it every 28 seconds, with the A/C on. The dealer reported it to Jeep and their response was; If the A/C is cooling, then there is nothing wrong with the system. What a bunch of bull for a $40,000 vehicle. I am sure Jeep Knows what the problem is, but won't repair it. It must be a labor intense fix, or an expensive part. And my dealer agreed, that they all make the same noise. I traded a 01 anniversary edition for the 04, and what a mistake. The 01 never made this noise and the quality level was much better in the 01. Better Leather, better sound system, more walnut burl around the ash tray, and the epitome of all: Plastic Chrome Clad wheel covers. Does Jeep really think people are stupid? My 01 GLC had the real chrome wheels and drove smoother and road better. I was one of those that got stuck with the UP Country suspension. The ride is horrible. I was always a GM buyer, and after I purchased my 2001 GLC, I was hooked on Jeep. However, my opinion has changed since the purchase of the 04 Overland, only because of the position Jeep has taken, to fix the A/C hiss. If anyone else out there is having the same problem, It would be nice to hear from you; especially if you find a fix for the problem.
I have a 2003 Grand Cherokee, 8 cyl., 2-wheel drive, automative transmission.
The problem I have is that when I go to start the vehicle after it has been sitting for mre than 1-hour, that starter cranks and cranks for about 5-6 seconds, and then the engine finally turns over. If it has been just a few minutes since the car was running (i.e. you went to run an errand, ran into a store, and ran out 10-minutes later), and you start it back up again, it starts immediately, without hesitation. I have had this problem for nearly 3 weeks now. I should also mention that the battery, starter, and alternator have all been tested and checkout perfectly.
The vehicle has 35,000 miles on it, so it is still just barely (36,000 miles) within warranty. I have taken it to the dealership, and they had it for two days and stated that they "could not reproduce the problem". They recommended that I have them do a fuel injector service on it, and so I agreed to that. However, it STILL has the problem, and it is a VERY consistent problem (i.e. there is never a time when the vehicle sits for MORE than 1-hour where I do not encounter this problem). I think it might be a fuel pump or fuel pressure sensor problem, but the "mechanic" stated that the pump pressure was just fine when he tested it.
I need suggestions on what to do/say to the dealership because I am taking it back to them tomorrow.
Thanks!
Sandler
I have not heard of any major problems. There was one guy who had some issue on this board but he seems to have disappeared after complaining for a few days.
I believe most people have been pretty happy with them.
I purchased my 2005 JGC just before Christmas and noticed that there is an odd hesitation (maybe better defined as "bucking" and "hesitation") when accelerating between 37 mph and 45 mph. To be more specific (and accurate), the problem occurs AFTER the car has shifted into a higher gear and speed is reduced WITHOUT the car shifting back to a lower gear. When accelerating from this point, the problem is most apparent.
I decided to take the car to my dealer after approx. 1,800 miles to have it checked out. The dealer service manager advise that he too experienced what I described, but could not define the issue as a "problem" and that the car was functioning correctly. I disagreed and asked to take the same model (2005 Laredo/v8) for a drive as a basis for comparison.
Much to my surprise, both cars act exactly the same, which in my opinion, is not good. The hesitation is annoying and I constantly find myself accelerating harder to move the car past the hesitation. This too is not a good thing when driving in traffic. Big accelerations to move short distances in traffic is a tricky thing to manage....
Bottom line is this.... the dealer described the issue as "it is what it is" and really had nothing more to offer. In my opinion, what it is, is a big, expensive mistake.
Because I find the problem so annoying and difficult to manage, I will take the financial hit and replace the car with something else.
Problems - the rear wipers seem to work when they want to - strange....
Other than that - pure wonderfulness. I get a lot of stares and stuff and sometimes have to put kids in their place - but the hemi makes that painfully easy.....
in the 3 months of ownership it has spent 60% of its time in shops up and down the east coast with the engine light coming on over 9 times.
It now has new Oxygen censors downstream the catalytic converter, caused to go bad by - the catalytic converter which has now been replaced; new pinion seal which leaked and smelled like burning undercoats used to smell, (but haven't done so in decades and would have lead to loss of gear shifting/steering in the front end), electrical panel for driver side power seat replaced due simply to a small plastic clip that broke and allowed the panel to pop out of the seat and; several of the items mentioned on the Technical Service list.
The Service Manager of the dealer ship where purchased involved his area District Manager, (DM) who got in touch with "Customer Service" - over my current state of residency DM who along with the local 5 Star Dealer (my experience rates them incompetent for 5 stars). It took persistance, but Chrysler seems to have done right by my 2005 JGC. The UPSHOT was the "Customer Service" towed my car from local dealership 60 miles away to one they considered more competent, who ran the same tests but knew what to do with the results.
Persist, persist, persist. The 800# in the manual helped on several occasions but in the end for better than band aid surgery, for the final solution they did absolutely nothing - it was the understanding of the folks in the field - above the dealerships and below the manufacturer who worked to solve the problems.
Of course, the TSB issued later kind of proved my point. You can see some of the details at http://www.wjjeeps.com/tsb_list.htm#0500302b
Bill
I'm now driving an '05 as a rental while mine is in the ship getting body work (something I won't go into here). It drives very nice and is extremely quiet, but the seats are as hard as a wooden church pew there are other small details that I don't care for. So far, I like my '99 better.
Oil leaks are probably a deteriorated gasket after 10 years of service.
I'd also check your hoses. They're cheap to replace and may need replacing with that age vehicle.
The hesitation I feel is when driving 30-45 miles per hour constantly and then stepping on the gas. I first feel a hesitation and then the vehicle shifts and accelerates. Sometimes the RPM's go up initially and then pull back down. This is a strange feeling. I am beginning to play a bit with the auto stick (cancelling out 5th gear) to see if I get the same reaction. I plan to bring the vehicle to the dealership this weekend to have them look at it and see if they can tell me what is going on. I'm sure the issue is the 5 speed auto transmission's 4th and 5th gear settings, but I hope there is something that can be done. It is a bit unnerving to give it gas and come up with nothing sometimes.
If anyone has the same issue, please let it be known so ultimately Jeep will have to fix it (pie in the sky talk maybe).
Other than that, the vehicle has been outstanding and I have no complaints. I am actually quite happy despite bringing it home and not realizing it did not have a low range. Man this ticked me off! I just assumed it was a Jeep 4x4. Strange that it is not as off road cabable as my 2000 TJ or my old 95 XJ, but it has better on road features (brake traction control). I would do anything to get a low range!!!
I am convinced that I simply cannot see out of this Jeep. The rear view mirror is right in my face, its actualy lower than eyelevel. Usually one looks up to the right to see a rear view mirror but the low roof line has it mounted so low its a hug obstrution blocking half the front windshield. I couldn't see folks crossing a crosswalk which is dangerous.. the A pilars are so large my view is totally obstructed on driver and passenger sides. I spend all my time driving, ducking and moving around to see wher the hell I'm going.
I am 5'9 and had the power seat all the way down. But I have to duck and move around constantly just to change lanes on the highway or navigate a turn. That is dangerous. Driving in a parking lot is a nightmare I simply can't see. If I make a right turn I have to move all over to see and then hope and pray no one is coming from the right. That's bad. Chrysler/Jeep really messed up a good thing.
I had two other jeeps (1993 and 2000)and drove them to 120k plus miles and didn't have this problem.
I went to my dealer and told them I am selling it back to them (I hope they will take it back as I await info from the General sales manager).
While there I sat in a 2003 and had no issues with visibility. Obviously the low roof line and decision to make it a more "low riding" style had the trade off of poor visibility.
Its gonna be a loss but oh well. I test drove a chevy trailblazer and ford explorer yesterday and didn't have these problems. Looks like I'll be buying one of them.
I'm sad cause I really like jeeps.
Keith
I changed my battery, (the battery was old, and on cold days, the PCM must have been getting bad or modulated current)
Before I changed my battery, I had a discussion with a mech. about the Idle stop solenoid, because when they go bad, they exhibit the same, unwillingness to idle. So I was going to spring for one of those parts, but the battery change fixed the idle problem, and the mysterious gauge malfunction. None have which reoccured since the battery swap.
The Jeep 4x4 system that lets you pick what you want, (2wd, 4wdhi, 4x4full time, & 4x4 low) is called the select trac system, and it is in Jeep Libertys. (it used to be the base system in the old 4x4 Grands)But Jeep moved to an electronic switch in 05, and the jeep Select trac isn't electronic. (there was one available in dodges)
When I look at the jeep web site for 05 Grands, I see only two options. The Fulltime system, Quadra-Trac I (no low range) and the Quadra Trac-II system. (hi and lo)
While I agree that you may be giving up your choice, The fulltime system combined with traction control, is probably perfect for most drivers that have a Jeep. (most don't go off road, or require a lever to use) you get the benefit, and can forget it's there.
The QT-II system, has a low range and works a little differently, but the result is the same, the TC helps make sure the wheels with traction have some torque applied to them.
There is a third system that add's locking diffs to the QT-II system, but that is really for serious off road stuff.
I'm not familiar with the redesigned Explorer systems, but would ask you to consider your priorities, you may feel there are more important features than how the 4wd is engaged. When comparing the Jeep, to the Explorer.
Regards
I was really excited about the new 05 GC outside and in from afar. Once I got inside, it was too crammed and had bad sight lines.
Too bad, as I did like it at first and it is a good deal compared to other SUVs. Now I know why, I guess.