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Thank you.
Quote: "Injury losses indicate the relative frequencies of injury claims per insured
vehicle year..." The Matrix rating was 131 - Substanially Worse Than Average. This data was for the 2001-2003 period. I'm curious whether any safety enhancements have been added to the car since 2003. Comments?
As for the shimmy I know that my 2005 matrix needs to have the axle shaft bolts checked every 5000 miles per the owners manual. Perhaps one is just a little loose. Does it click while turning sharply right or left in a parking lot? Could be a bad axle shaft. At 30K a boot(axle shaft) could have torn and let dirt in.
hope this helps
jim
The previous post's point is well taken that there could not be a huge sample of Matrixes in the study for the period covering 2001-03. And the wording of the quote makes me think that the study really is not an indication of vehicle safety. For example, you could have a very safe vehicle involved in more crashes than the average car (maybe because the vehicle in question tends to be driven by younger and less experienced drivers). So there could easily be a greater frequency of injury claims when compared to another vehicle that doesn't do as well on crash tests but that also is involved in fewer accidents.
The 205/50R16's will have less load carrying capacity. Overloaded tire failures are not pretty sights!
I also find that the steering wheel could be much closer to me and that the center arm rest is much too far toward the back to be comfortable. I realize that I myself am a bit short on one end, but as I can't change that, I'm looking for possible solutions.
Sounds to me that you should have more thoroughly test driven the Matrix before spending the money?????
You say you "love" your new Matrix????? You are not going to "love" it for long unless you get comfortable in it!!!!
I currently have AWD with manual trans ('97 Outback), am leaning toward '06 Outback, but am also shopping some FWD wagons (Focus, Matrix). Matrix would be strong contender if not for this omission.
Would you recommend the Matrix for this kind of driver? My boss, who is 5', has a Matrix and seems to really like it. Thanks for your help!
Have you looked at the Scion hatchback model? That's a Toyota product and may be more comfortable with better visibility. A friend of mine was looking at the Scion for his 90-year-old mother (who insists on driving a standard transmission BTW). He thought it would be a good vehicle -- easy to get into and out of, nice size, etc. Odd thing he noted was that cruise control wasn't included, but he figured that wasn't important since his mother wouldn't be doing much if any highway driving.
Thanks!
dealer in northern Indiana about buying a 2006 Matrix.
Regarding #4 below, this seems to contradict what I have found on Kelley
Blue Book and other sites. I want ABS and Vehicle Stability Control. My
research told me you could get VSC on 2WD and not AWD. The dealer is saying
below the exact opposite.
So for those with VSC or who checked it out, is VSC available on 2WD? On
AWD? Or both? Including special orders?
Bud H
*** begin dealer message ***
This is what we are finding:
1) The SP or Extra Value Pkg #1 is being built primarily with options CK and
CF and that's it.
2) Accessory Pkg, Bumper Protector, Cargo Mat, Floor Mats, Security System
and 16" Wheels are all options we can add aftermarket or here at the
dealership.
3)EV Radio option w/ JBL AM/FM Stereo 6-Disc CD Changer in dash and
Restraint System are both unavailable on current XR vehicles out there
without getting QP or Extra Value Pkg #2 and they are both factory installed
only.
4) Stability Control is not available on any 2WD units out there only AWD.
5) ABS Braking system is another one not available on any XR models out
there.
*** end dealer message ***
Thanks again!
I special ordered a 2006 Matrix XR 2WD automatic yesterday morning. I put down a $500 deposit.
The stated time for arrival is four to six months, and the dealer sees it in their expected future inventory three to four weeks in advance before the car arrives. Once that happens, my credit card would probably be charged. It is expected that the earliest my credit card will be charged is when the dealership sees the car is on its way three or four weeks in advance of arrival.
Bud H
2006 TOYOTA MATRIX XR 2WD (AUTO)
1912 2WD Sport Matrix Wagon 4-Door (Automatic Transmission)
8P4 Indigo Ink Pearl (exterior color)
FB13 Stone (cloth interior)
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Z1 Accessory Pkg, Preferred (PIO)
SP Extra Value Pkg #1
CK Guard Pkg, All Weather
PO Power Pkg
AB Braking System, F&R Anti-Lock
EF Bumper Protector, Rear (PIO)
C1 Cargo Mat (PIO)
CF Floor Mats, F&R (PIO)
EV Radio, AM/FM Stereo w/6-Disc CD Changer in Dash
BE Restraint System, F&R Head Curtain & Front Side Impact Air Bag
V5 Security System, VIP RS3200 Plus (PIO)
VS Stability Control, Vehicle • Standard & XR 2WD w/Auto Trans
AW Wheels, 16" Aluminum
RW Wiper, Intermittent Rear Window
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ENGINE 4-Cyl, 1.8 Liter
TRANSMISSION Automatic
TIRES (4) P205/55R16
So far, the salesman told me 60 lbs, I saw a post somewhere on this board that said 80 lbs, but the service dept at our dealer said 20 lbs (seems to low to me).
I tried searching the forum... but haven't manage to pull any useful info, yet.
Thanks!
1. Can anyone confirm if this is true?
2. How do you determine what the largest volume Toyota dealers are in your area? (In my case, living in South Bend, Indiana, any place within 2 or 3 hours of me, which would include Chicago, Indianapolis, and Fort Wayne would work.)
3. Is there a way to see the volume at a dealer for a particular model?
Bud H
After 25,000 miles in 2 years I have had nothing break on my car. It has been damaged (door dings, rock chips) but no failures.
Mine is the XRS with the higher output engine. I've gotten 32 mpg on the highway and averaged 27 mpg in mixed driving when I lived in Virginia. Here in Miami I can still get 32+ on the highway, but sitting at lights with the AC running brings my city mileage down to 20.
I drove a little in ice and snow and the Matrix seemed no better or worse than any number of other cars I have driven.
The one condition that irks me the most is the wet. I am not sure of the root cause, but starting from a stoplight or stopsign gets me a lot a wheel spin. My tires have decent tread left in the front, so it might just be the way the manual transmission delivers power to the front wheels. An automatic might be better in this regard.
I think you should be able to do 200k trouble-free miles in a Matrix provided you get the scheduled maintenance done. Oil changes and transmission fluid changes may drive you nuts if you are doing them frequently enough, but you'll be asking for trouble if you don't. Do them by mileage and not time.
4WD is not peppy, but adequate in my opinion. With ABS it handles really well on snow and ice. Fuel efficiency is less than with the FWD. We have cracked 30 mph on the highway a few times. No less than 22 mpg driving around town. Overall gas mileage thus far about 26.5 mpg.
Not much has gone wrong with this car. Had a door handle replaced just before the warranty expired due to peeling chrome covering. When it was new they replaced the headlight sensor relay after I learned of a TBS through this forum, and that took care of a problem with the headlights turning themselves on and off too frequently.
Also when it was brand new I found a couple of little plastic cups under each side of the car that the dealer claimed didn't come from the car. But people in this forum speculated that they had been used during transport of the car and the dealer hadn't removed them when they prepped the car.
That's about it for problems. My daughter wrecked a fender and knocked off a mirror when backing out of the garage. But that's not the car's fault.
But one issue that used to come up frequently is comfort of driving position. I don't know if the sterring wheel has been extended in recent model years, but for the 2003 I don't find the Matrix terribly comfortable to drive over long distances. (I am 5'10", my wife is 5'3" and has no complaints.) So be sure to take a nice long test drive. The seats themselves are comfortable; the issue is with the driving position and lack of a terribly useful armrest.
But it's still a pain in the neck because you have to muscle the bike holding on to one end... I don't have arthritis, and I don't like to do it...
The easiest thing to do is probably a nice trunk rack for $100 or so. The bike won't be secure, but it'll be easy to take on and off.
Good luck,
-Mathias
Thanks!
Steve
Steve
This first things that started happening were comsetic things that keep falling off or apart- drawers falling out, pannels falling off, chrome falling off. then the AC stopped working. It went in 3 times for that repair. Now the engine and transmission aren't working and the dealership won't fix it because it's now 5,000miles past warrenty. I have done all the oil changes and taken good care of this car and it has amounted to nothing!
I expected more from toyota and I also expected a new engine and transmission in a new car to last longer than 3 years!
Another difference (in my area at least) is that there are a lot of Vibes compared to Matrix, so if you don't want the same car as everyone else, this could be a factor.
My commute is about 25 miles each way and I spend a good amount of time on the 405 and 101 freeways which can be packed or moving relatively quickly.
Thanks
My 2006 Automatic Matrix gives me GREAT mileage. avg. 38 mpg hwy (not like the 405 or 101 though) and 30 mpg in city. With a manual you'd probably get close to my figures.
steine13, "Toyota Matrix vs. Pontiac Vibe - Compare Notes" #226, 6 Nov 2005 9:44 pm
-Mathias
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done fixed it....
Hello there,
We bought a Toyota Matrix in March of 04. We were excited as it was
our first new car. We refinanced our home so that we could do this. It
cost us about $18,900.00 or so. We got the whole works with the alloy
wheels, cruise, and so on. We were very excited thinking that we were
getting a car from the quality that Toyota brags about. We had looked
at cars from Honda, Hyundia, Suzuki, etc. But went with the Toyota.
My dad, whom loves toyotas... and had given my wife and I about 8
years ago a 1976 toyota corolla with about 250,000 miles on it -which
has since finally died. I was impressed! He and my mother now own a
Rav4 and also an Avalon... He has always bragged about the toyota and
their quality.
We wanted a reliable car that could get us from here - Superior, Wi. -
to there -Yuma Az. where my parents live. And to be able to drive
without the headaches of having a used car. We drove that car to Az -
which was about a 2500 mile trip. So 5000 in all there and back. It
seemed to get great gas mileage with Me, my wife, my daughter, and some
luggage in back. It was a great city car. It seemed to handle very
well. WE LOVED IT! Well, till the problems started:
Throughout the year I noticed that my seat started to sqeak. It
started to annoy me. Whenever I would move, it would squeak. I also
started to get a rattle on one of the sides of the windshield. Then I
started thinking that maybe this was cheaper quality than I thought.
But nevertheless was still a reliable Toyota. They replaced that arm
part by the drivers windshield side. I was happy -TILL IT STARTED TO
RATTLE AGAIN. I brought it back and they put some stuffing or something
there to make it stop. WOW! I havent got my seat fixed yet though -
still sqeaks sometimes.
I then started to get a leak in what seemed to be in the area of the
oil pan. It was dripping on my garage floor and staining it. I got
concerned and brought the car in. They told me that it had needed an
o-ring for something with the transmission. I ok'd it and they got the
new 0-ring and put it in. It wasn't long after that I noticed it
leaking again. I brought the car back in and they told me that my oil
filter was loose and that it was dripping from there. They had changed
the oil previous to this. Once again... thought it was fixed. I had
to bring it in again today because it has been leaking again in that
same area. They claim that it is the power steering pump and that they
ordered a new one for the car and would call me when it comes in so that
they can replace that. I hate driving thinking that something is wrong
with this almost 1.5 year old car. This is almost brand new.. it should
be a LOT better than this!
About 5-6 times throughtout owning this vehical, I have had times when
it would not start right away. It would just crank over and not
"catch". But after a couple tries it starts. This is not an everyday
occurance. But it does happen periodically. It does finally start in
those times. THIS CONCERNS ME considering that I have about 31000 miles
on it and my bumper to bumper warranty is going to expire soon.
My wife and I are very upset at owning what is supposed to be a very
reliable car! We are now seeing that we can't have the confidence in
being able to drive this car without worrying that something is going to
happen. Maybe we should have gone with something else. I start to
wonder if maybe we were given a lemon that the dealership was trying to
get rid of and pawned it on us. Maybe not... but if we can't get this
fixed and have the quality of car that Toyota brags about, than maybe we
have to go to another car... maybe Honda, Hyundia, or whatever and let
others know what has happend to us. My dad has bought your cars for as
long as I know.
MY WIFE AND I ARE VERY DISAPOINTED AND UPSET! WE SHOULD NOT HAVE
THESE PROBLEMS WITH A NEW CAR!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN WE REFINANCED OUR HOME
TO GET IT! WE EXPECTED MORE!
We are hoping that this letter will not be ignored!
VERY DISAPPOINTED! :mad:
I was contacted today by the dealer to tell me that there is no way that Toyota will make the setup I requested (despite it within normal combinations allowed).
So what was the issue that kept me from getting my special order fulfilled? I thought it might be the VSC on a 2WD model.
But amazingly, I was told there was no way to get Toyota to put antilock brakes on a 2006 XR 2WD Matrix without the Extra Value Package #2 which includes 16" alloy wheels w/ P205/55R16 tires, cruise control, integrated foglamps, color-keyed front/rear underbody spoilers, and (unfortunately) a moonroof.
This is 2005. Anything above a base model, especially with any option package, should be including ABS!!! I'm certainly disappointed.
Also, I was also told Toyota is suffering somewhat of a shortage of engines for Corollas and Matrix's (Matrices?). They aren't spending much time with any special orders on either of these vehicles due to normal demand.
Bud H
2006 TOYOTA MATRIX XR 2WD (AUTO)
1912 2WD Sport Matrix Wagon 4-Door (Auto)
8P4 Indigo Ink Pearl (exterior color)
FB13 Stone (cloth interior)
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Z1 Accessory Pkg, Preferred (PIO)
SP Extra Value Pkg #1 - (includes Cruise Control, Color-Keyed Front/Rear Underbody Spoilers, Integrated Foglamps)
CK All Weather Guard Package
PO Power Pkg
AB Braking System, F&R Anti-Lock
EF Bumper Protector, Rear (PIO)
C1 Cargo Mat (PIO)
CF Floor Mats, F&R (PIO)
EV Radio, AM/FM Stereo w/6-Disc CD Changer in Dash
BE Restraint System, F&R Head Curtain & Front Side Impact Air Bag
V5 Security System, VIP RS3200 Plus (PIO)
VS Stability Control, Vehicle . Standard & XR 2WD w/Auto Trans
AW Wheels, 16" Aluminum
RW Wiper, Intermittent Rear Window
TIRES (4) P205/55R16
Thankx, Nick