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From what I've read, the 2003 Toyota Matrix is going to be built on the same platform as the Toyota Corolla. It's also the twin of the 2003 Pontiac Vibe.
Here's some more information about the Toyota Matrix from the Edmunds.com's coverage of the 2001 North American International Auto Show: 2003 Toyota Matrix
In addition, we also have a active Pontiac Vibe (Corporate Twin) discussion on the Station Wagon Message Board. I'll let this one remain on this board, since these vehicles really do fall into the cross over category.
In the near future, I hope to link this discussion to the Station Wagons board. In the meantime please note: I've linked the Pontiac Vibe discussion from Station Wagons into the Additional Resources on the left hand side of this page. Hope this is helpful. ;-)
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Leo
FYI - Both the Toyota and Pontiac websites say the cars will launch in January 2002.
Lori
For further clarification, please feel free to direct your questions to the Edmunds.com's content editors. You can do that via the "questions, suggestions, and feedback" box near the bottom of this page. Good luck and sorry for the confusion. In the meantime, if I find out more information myself, I'll be sure to post it here. Thanks for your participation. ;-)
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does Vibe/Matrix duo have removable rear seats (like minivans)? I read that they have flip/fold seats, but what about removable? Also, is manual the only transmission available with 180hp engine?
Pretty nice interior/exterior 360º views.
http://www.isthistoyota.com/high/index.html
Does anyone know if Toyota plans to make a GPS navigation system available on the Matrix in the US?
Leo
Wheelbase - 102.4 in.
"Capable of packing a whopping 57.2 cubic feet (1,621 liters) of cargo behind the driver,"
Leo
That's 1 cu. ft. LESS than a 2001 Saturn SW2 wagon, with the seats down.
Haven't seen the INSIDE of the MAtrix yet.....they had it at the NY Auto show, but wouldn't let anyone touch it !!!! I really hate that.....anyway, something to think about.
they have been broadcasting a 30 minutes show dedicating to Toyota's brand products (Subaru also) from the existing model line to the future models and that included the Matrix...It was really informative, they showed the interior, the open hatch with a bicycle in it. Since taste is not a matter of discussion and varies from individuals, but the styling did meet my taste though!
Damax
One quick equation comes to mind:
Pontiac = Not Reliable
Toyota = Reliable
How reliable will the Matrix be? Or is this relationship much like DSM (Diamond Star Motors) which was basically Chrysler and Mitsubishi. This relationship still exists I believe, just not under the DSM name. Looks to me that the Vibe uses all engine, interior, and frame work from Toyota and just the bodywork is different.
Much like the Mitsu Eclipse and Eagle Talon. Is this correct?
The Maxtrix appears to be all toyota Celica under the skin. The pontiac version has different sheetmetal but that's about it.
Now about this AWD system. I'm curious to see if that the Matrix will have a AWD option, will the Celica? I hope there will be a 180HP version without AWD.
Look for a slew of websites to pop up in anticipation, much as the Subaru WRX model owners have had. It may be somewhat of a "cult" car, as it's a pocket rocket with the hot 6-speed/180HP motor available.
CD
Thanks for your participation. ;-)
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Why don't the manufacturers just abandon the concept entirely? Effectively they already have abandoned the concept, which is quite OK, but spare us all the farce.
-B
What about gas mileage?
And, it will NOT be here in the states, available for sale, til Feb/March 2002 as a 2003 car.
First up, I suppose you're pulling your numbers from a very dark place, because the only official word I've seen is that it'll be priced "competitively" (Pontiac website). And the Japanese tend to be very secretive about pricing etc.
However, the car will replace the Pontiac Sunfire in the GM lineup, and the Sunfire has an MSRP of approx. $15k. The Prizm starts at $14k sticker, and both of these cars have hefty rebates throughout much of the year; Prizm is at $1500, I believe. The Corolla stickers for about the same money as the Prizm, as it has to.
Add to that the fact that GM admits the Aztec was overpriced, I'd doubt they make the same mistake again. On the Toyota side of things, the Matrix will have to be significantly below the RAV4; and don't forget a Subaru Legacy L AWD wagon stickers for $20k even. These things don't happen in a vacuum.
So: my educated guess is $16k for a base model (AC 5spd), and good luck finding one on the lot; slightly above $20k for a loaded GT or loaded AWD.
If comedy has hard information, however, I'd be eager to hear it and be educated.
-Mathias
http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/2001/v2kmdl2414spec.html
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/010221-2.htm
Guesstimation, and making the assumption that a lot of dealers will be marking them up over the MSRP at first. I'd think that MSRP will be where it's at, for purchase, when it debuts.
I sure hope you are right though. It'd be nice to have this car at the $14,000-$15,000 range with lots of extras but I can't see my way clear to that possibility yet. We can hope!
CD
I'd love to see Honda come out with a competing vehicle that has their simple no option pricing, so buyers have a real choice among the imports.
Compare an Accord EVV6 to a Camry XLE with the same options as what comes standard on an EXV6.
Same with Corolla Vs Civic.
The best though is reading the post about how in Japan, the Chevy Cavalier (that would be the twin of the [Pontiac] Sunfire) is sold under the Toyota name. Hmm, I own a Cavalier... does this mean that it is suddenly more reliable?