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267 Freelanders are listed for sale within 500 miles of where I live.. Not one of them is offered for sale by a Land Rover dealership.
Actions speak louder than words, and I think that speaks volumes. Even the Land Rover dealers know better than to own a Freelander.
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I fortunately don't own my LR anymore, and financially things worked out ok for me. I still read the forum because I just can't believe a company can get away with something like this. Then for someone like you to blame this whole mess on the owner is just too much. You need to realize how bad other people are hurting over LRNA's lack of involvement in this problem and maybe you wouldn't be so full of yourself with your oil comments. Mark my words, your LR will have the same problem sooner or later.
I don't know if this helps you or not. I hope something will. You might check with Carmax about buying your LR. I have know idea what they would give you for it but they do buy cars from people. When you are ready to buy another car, Carmax obviously really took care of us whereas LRNA didn't offer or do anything to help.
Good luck!
Thanks for any info.
If you trade it anywhere else you're going to get nothing, but you still need to do it.
I was just contacted by Land Rover to confirm that I am still under warranty until Aug. 22, 2009 or 50,000 miles (currently at 34,000).
FYI...mine was still under warranty as well. My decision to sell it was based on the fact that I had to travel 50 miles each way to my dealer, a total of 18 times in 3.5 years. In total, I think they had it about 6 weeks. Also due to the fact that parts, especially engines, are getting difficult to find. A warranty does you no good if there are no engines to replace yours with! I decided to take the hit on the trade in and be a little upside down, rather than take my chances on engine failure.
For what it's worth, I know several people that have CRV's from several different years and LOVE them. My mom has almost 200,000 miles on hers with no significant problems.
Good luck.
Car dealers are in such tough times they will sell a car on the lot listing at $25,000 for say .... $15,000. Because they will take $15,000 on a $25,000 car, they will write the paperwork differently. They will sell you the car for $25,000, and give you a $10,000 trade-in for your worthless Freelander.
They still get thier $15,000 (the difference), and your loan paperwork goes through the bank fine because the new vehicle carrys the book value of the $25,000 loan you now owe.
Car dealers have always done this to some extent to make trades look better. Insulting the customer's previous car can cause them to loose the sale.
FYI There is nothing illegal about it. Not even regarding tax. Sales tax is always on the cash part of the sale, which in this example is $15,000 no matter which way they write the paperwork.
Good Luck,
Dave
Even if you got $10K for it, and bought another $10K car...
My wife really liked the Freelander.. I'm very glad that we never bought one..
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Shamfan -- you're Freelander clearly has the problem, my advice would be to look at whatever you can do to trade it in as part of a different vehicle purchase or else you end up trapped with trying to work with your lender and credit/repossession options or othe legal course.
Krystalia-- you may have the issue, my advice would be to check the oil cap on the engine, underneath the cap you should see an emsulified oil/coolant goo, it will be sticking to the cap and look like oil mixed with coolant. Otherwise, re-fill the coolant overflow cannister and observe if the coolant level drops during a week or two week period, look for ground evidence of a leak, however if it is the Head Gasket Failure, there will be no ground leakage. My coolant tube in very front of the engine broke/was brittle, which can happen over time, you would see ground leakage if was that.
Again, ALL of these vehicles will inevitably have the Head Gasket Failure happen, it is only a matter of how many miles and when. The design of the engine is the source of the problem, so any refurbished engines would bear the same defect. You are advised to get rid of the vehicle, via whatever means you have to do so. Repairing will only further drain your savings and not benefit you with a long term fix to the problem as these issues will happen again.
The other F4 Error is being widely reported also, is unrelated to the Brake Light Switch recall on this vehicle. You may want to check another Freelander Service technician or location for a 2nd opinion as this error light is not driver related and is the lesser of the failures reported in these vehicles.
Bottom line, Freelanders from 2002-2005 (2005 year was discontinued) are pieces of [non-permissible content removed] and there is no fair salvage value as now it is fully known these vehicles are complete failures. You will be lucky to get $5000-$6000 on one with no issues, and $1000-$2000 on one with the terminal failures mentioned.
So I'm pondering on what to do now. I owe 7,500 still. Warrenty company says I've met my max on coverage. Talk to the bank? Trade for parts? Class action? Claim bankrupsy at 29. ??????????????depressing
I just thought I'd let people know of my recent events with selling my Freelander.
I let it sit for almost a year after getting the replacement engine and loads of other repairs to it for fear of it breaking down again and not being able to afford to fix it.
Thankfully it was paid off when the engine went out.
I sold it to Carmax yesterday for $2,000.00. A very sad day, it ran beautifully all the way to the store and I had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach but, it's done and I'm free of the nausea and worry over the whole mess. The dealer told me the industry calls them Freeloaders and acknowledged that it is common knowledge that they are lemons. We need to band together and sue Landrover. My only reservation is that I know nothing about how that sort of thing works. I did register a complaint with the gov. website suggested here on this forum but, I'm wondering where to begin to get some recuperation of $$$ for all of the repairs. Well that's my story. Just thought I'd let people know what Carmax paid for my 2002 Freelander SE with 75,000.00. They won't put it on the lot, just sell it on at auction. All in all a sad and painful experience to what I thought would be my ideal car.
All Best, Kim
I found it interesting to note that the reliability ratings on MSN autos gives the Freelander a perfect score... no significant problems!!
Please help if possible..
They (Land Rover) can't be that stupid can they?
My advice... DON'T but it!
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Faint praise, there...
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Founf on the net the real problem. Car running good, but I have replaced the complete thermostat assembly, the sensor on the bottom hose of radiator and engine coolant sensor. Radiator Fans work only if i turn heater on. Replaced Wiring Harness for cooling fans but now fans still don't go on a engine heats up and I have no heat now.
Any suggestions besides unloading the car? I 'd rather break it up into parts.
Everyone knows about them in the industry. The engine rebuilt is worth more than the whole car. Sad fact.
Good luck to anyone who still owns one.
So after making a big fuss I have 2 options... LR of America will give me $6000 towards my repairs or $10k towards a new LR2. ($5700 of that will go towards paying off my car)
I can not afford a new LR2, and I have zero confidence in LR since consumers report rated the LR2, LR3, Range Rover and Range Rover sport the least realiable Suv's. That is all 4 of the vehicles that LR sells.
I don't know what to do... I feel like I have no other option than to buy the LR2 that I don't want and can't afford. -a 48mth least would be $411.17
If so, take it, and sell yours for parts...
2) Is the $10K off a new one off your best negotiated price? Or just off MSRP? If it's the former, take the deal and re-sell the car.. You should be able to break even, at least. If it's the latter, never mind.
3) If you can get $2800 for your car, come up with $3000 somewhere else and ditch it now... No way I would put another dime in it..
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I would just sell the thing for 3K, and kick in the other 3K to pay off your loan. Then go buy yourself a Toyota, Honda or Subraru. I personally bought the Subaru Forester and it was the best thing I ever did! I'm so glad to no longer have to beg Land Rover to help me when their lousy cars fail.
I don't want another LR regardless..
Financial advice: Do whatever you have to do to get rid of the car now... If you spend any more money on it, you might as well flush it.. The financial loss has already happened... Don't throw good money after bad.
Good luck,
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I'm sorry to hear about your FL.
What type do you have SE 4dr or SE3 3dr? Also, how many miles do you have and what are/were some of the prob's you have?
Thanks!
~ Jeff
the car has 62k miles on it, and in great condition - along with new tires. should I sell it for parts? Sell it with the exact repairs needed spelled out? and how much should I do this for?
thanks for all the advice!