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  • I have a 2002 Landrover Freelander HSE. Purchased the car Dec 2007. No problems at all until 2 weeks ago. Key turns, but doesn't crank/fire up as if something is not recieving or sending something appropriately. 1st thought either battery or alternator was the problem. Called up a friend (Ex mechanic) told me none of those if the radio and lights are working. He told me either the fuel pump or sensors. Let the car sit for 15/20 minutes and started the car, worked ok. He even told me to step on the gas before turning the key to eliminate the fuel pump problem. It started right away. That left the me thinking that the sensors were dirty due to carbon build up. Got those taken care of yesterday. Went to the store for groceries this afternoon, there it was again. Let it sit for 15 minutes and turned the key,it started just fine. I don't know what the probem is, but the miles are low to be having major problems. I only have 55K miles and only used it for a little over a year.

    I have had this for sale since December due to coming up traveling plans and can't take the car with me. Now I have to deal with this disaster. I can't sell my car knowing that it has a problem.

    Have you had any luck at all on yours? Is the problem identified and resolved? Do you know if there is a lawsuit of some kind going on at the present time? Recalls?

    Any info is greatly appreciated
  • shamfamshamfam Posts: 10
    Well - here's some info that may be useful to some LR owners. My mom was talking to her car insurance agent. I guess you can file an application with the Bureau of Automtive Repair (B.A.R.) and they have arbitrators hash it out and try to come to a resolution for you. Her agent's daughter just did it and got the sticker price of her car back. I think it's awesome! I just starting filling out my paper work last week. A few more things to add to it and I'm sending it in. I'll keep you all updated!
  • driver68driver68 Posts: 3
    I live in Utah, the BAR that I pulled up on the website is out of Sacramento, CA. They directed me to Division of Consumer Affairs in Salt Lake City. I did not get alot of information from the person whom answered the phone, she sent me to one of the investigators and I was told to leave a message. I have talked with this investigator numerous times, when I initially had the problem with my freelander and replacing the engine. LR told the investigator that it was customer neglect and that he had never seen, so much sludge build up. The LR mechanic even went as far as to send pictures of the parts of the FL that had the sludge build up. Im going to try again, to see if I can get anywhere with this. I just turned the FL over to the bank last week, still owing $8500.00 on the original loan and $4000.00 on the engine. the engine total came to $10,000.00 that was for the repair cost and the cost of the rental car for 8 months. Thank you, for any information that you post. I just wonder how we can get them to conform and see that we have all had the same problems. :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
  • Has anyone purchased an extended warranty for their Freelander - from the dealer or via private warranty company? Has this covered repairs? Any experience with these warranties would be appreciated. I don't really want to sell mine as it's paid off but the factory warranty expires this summer and I don't want to get stuck like so many other people with these expensive repairs.

    Thanks.
  • I purchased the extended warranty for my 2002 Freelander when I purchased it Certified Used from our local Land Rover dealership, and let me tell you, it was so worth it! Of course, at the time I was told the extended warranty was much cheaper than now (I purchased my car in late 2005). I was lucky and was able to trade in my car for $5,500 last November. When I added up all the receipts from the numerous times I had to take the Freelander to be repaired, it turned out to be $30,000. The dealership's extended warranty covered just about everything. I just had to pay my deductible of $100. You will just want to make sure that you keep your oil changes up to date. They adjusters ask for that when the engine has to be replaced.
  • shamfamshamfam Posts: 10
    I just faxed in as much information as possible today. I included a few pages from this site on drivers experiences. I'm hoping they will do a little research and see that its not because of poor maintenance. We maintained our car as you should. I will keep you all posted. I am crossing my fingers that this works!
  • msouthwmsouthw Posts: 14
    I can't believe I am here agian! About to find out that the engine needs to be replaced AGAIN (2nd time). Actually, I can't say I'm surprised because for the past 3 years the complaints have continued to come in about this car but I can't afford a monthly payment for something else. So frustrating!

    How long did it take to get the issue resolved through BAR? Is this only in California? I am about to google them! Thanks for the info.
  • brown339brown339 Posts: 1
    I purchased a used 2002 freelander in 2003 (it was a year old) and had them include the extended warranty to 100,000 miles. It has been a lifesaver. I had my vehicle serviced at the dealer, so the records were up to date and there were never any arguments. Later in the vehicles life I had some work done by a non-landrover mechanic and they covered that too (it took a little longer for them to get things set, but it was covered.)

    Read through the horror stories on some of these forums (personnaly - trans, water pump, 3 windows, sunroof, one caliper, tie rod and some other minor issues) and you want to have a warranty. Mine now has 109,000 miles and it has generally been a good vehicle, but I now consider it a grenade (the sunroof just died - this one was only 2 years old) I will drive until it kicks.
  • awise003awise003 Posts: 3
    Hello - I recently noticed a fluttering noise coming from the engine compartment while at idle, but even more so when accelerating. The Land Rover dealership assessed the issue and diagnosed the problem being with the upper intake manifold being internally worn and that my vehicle needs an upper intake manifold plenum. The quote to fix the issue was $1900, which seems extremely high to me. Has anyone had any experience with this? Do you think a qualified mechanic could fix the problem for less? Thanks so much!

    2004 Land Rover Freelander HSE
  • I had the same problem with the manifold needing to be replaced, however, at the same time I was told not to put anymore money in my 2002 Landrover Freelander because the transmission was also on it's way out. The costs were going to be well over the value of the vehicle. I just couldn't afford putting more money in this junk when I know there were going to be other things to follow. I work for an Auto Parts company that took the car and did their own diagnostics and confirmed that it was not going to be to my advantage to fix the car.... So, I ended up returning the car to the Dealership and they sold at an auction for $3100.00 (now owe the balance of $5,000) and yes, I now have a charge-off on my credit report. I plan to pay off the charge-off, however, the headache is gone. So, with the way the economy is right now, I have a lower credit score and am working on getting it back up--- it will be a while before I see 700 ever again, but it was worth it...
  • I owned a 2004 HSE for about 3 years. Had to replace the intake motor 3 times, and the entire intake manifold twice.

    It's a know problem with the Freelander.
  • shamfamshamfam Posts: 10
    My issue isn't resolved yet. The process is suppose to take 40 days. My start date was April 2. I haven't heard anything yet. I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. This is in California, I'm not sure if it applies to other states. BAR is a section of the Better Business Bureau. You should check it out.
  • shamfamshamfam Posts: 10
    Get rid of it! This is what started with my car and I'm in a mess with it right now. It's sitting in the driveway of my parents house on non op! The engine will sooner or later go out on you.
  • msouthwmsouthw Posts: 14
    If your on number 3 you might be our saving grace for getting something done with the lemon law! I'm at number 2 and cannot/will not be on #3. Seek help through the lemon law.
  • davedibdavedib Posts: 1
    I too have a 2002 Freelander with the intake manifold problem. I went right to Land Rover and got caught up in the webs of ROBOT Rep's that open up bogus case files. The best thing to do is keep writing to the FTC,BBB and Land Rover themselves and not give up till you get somewhere because that is what they expect for us to give up and feel there is no where to turn!!!! When are companies ACCOUNTABLE for their PRODUCTS!! :mad:
  • betocbetoc Posts: 1
    HELLO EVERYONE!!

    I`VE BEEN READING THE FORUMS SINCE BOUGHT MY SE3 ON MARCH, 2004, BUT NEVER POSTED A MESSAGE. MY SE3 HAS NOW 110,000 MILES IN 5 YEARS, AND AT THE BEGINNING I WAS A LITTLE AMAZED ON HOW BAD THE VEHICLE RESULTED FOR OTHERS EVEN THOSE WITH LOW MILLEAGE FREELANDERS. THE COOLANT LEAKING PROBLEM WOULD ALWAYS PERSIST FOREVER AND EVER, THATS BECAUSE THE PARTS RELATED ARE PLASTIC MADE, THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME EVERY 30,000 TO 60,000 MILES, THAT INCLUDES THE EXPANSION TANK, THERMOSTAT AND MAYBE A HOSE, THE REPAIR COST ROUNDED $150 TO $350. BUT, RECENTLY I HAD SOME SEVERE COOLANT LEAKING FROM THE WATER PUMP AND THE LOWER RADIATOR HOSE. FOR NOW, THE LEAKING HAS STOPPED.

    ORIGINAL BRAKE PADS FADES TOO FAST, IT HAD COST ME A PAIR OF NEW FRONT ROTORS. BEFORE THE NEW ROTORS, EVERY 5,000 TO 10,000 MILES I HAD TO REPLACE THE PADS. BUY BRANDS LIKE PAGID OR MINTEX THAT HAD LASTED LONGER. I ALSO THINK THE ORIGINAL ROTORS WEARED OUT TOO FAST, SO I FOUND A PAIR OF AFTERMARKET BREMBO ROTORS AND AFTER THAT THE PADS HAS LASTED MUCH LONGER, COST $200.

    AMONG OTHER THINGS I'VE CHANGED ARE: THE SHOCKS (AROUND $1,000 AND THE ORIGINALS LASTED THROUGH 80,000 MILES), AND ENGINE MOUNT, A SUSPENSION BAR, A COIL (SPARK PLUG), GAS FILTER, FEW TIMES THE COOLANT TANK /THERMOSTAT, THE MUFFLER BROKE AND WELDED IT, AND OF COURSE THE COMMON MAINTENANCE LIKE THE BELTS, ETC...

    THE REASON THAT PUSHED ME TO WRITE, IS THAT I JUST TOOK OUT THE SUV FROM THE SHOP A MONTH AGO WITH THE LOWER RADIATOR HOSE AND WATER PUMP PROBLEM TO STOP THE COOLANT LEAKING PROBLEM, AND THEN THE ENGINE STARTED TO FLOOD WITH NO POWER FEEDBACK. THE SHOP TOLD ME IT WAS THE UPPER INTAKE MANIFOLD (PLENUM CHAMBER?) THAT COST AROUND $1,200 WITHOUT LABOR. IM SO FRUSTRATED, MY SE3 GAVE ME GREAT SERVICE BEFORE THE 100,000 MARK, AND AFTER THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM. AT 120,000 GOES THE BELTS CHANGING FOR ABOUT $1,500-$2,000 AND THAT WOULD BREAK MY ACCOUNTS. IF AFTER THE INTAKE REPLACEMENT IT DOESN`T FAILS SO FREQUENTLY, I`LL KEEP IT, BUT IF ANOTHER THING THING EXPLODES RIGHT AWAY I`LL SELL IT. HOPE MY EXPERIENCE COULD HELP SOMEONE. ATT. BETOC
  • faria917faria917 Posts: 2
    hi , I have a 2003 freelander and something happen to my truck that look like is what is wrong with yours, I had to chang the cam sensor.
  • faria917faria917 Posts: 2
    I have a 2003 freelander and I am having problem with my power lock, I can lock all doors with my remote but I can open all the doors exept the driver`s door. any body can help-me?
  • granmadgranmad Posts: 1
    I have a 2002 Freelander. It is a piece of junk. I had a new engine block put in at about 5000 miles due to coolant leakage. It didn't fix the problem. I still can smell coolant at 108,000 miles. I had the timing belts changed at 75000 at a cost of $1600. One month later the pulley went through my engine. They put in a new engine. Last Wednesday, the fuel line came off while I was driving. I took it to the LR dealership in KS. They supposedly fixed it. Wrong. On Thursday, the fuel line came off again. This time they said that they had to put in a complete new fuel line which meant that they had to drop the fuel tank. After $1000, it is maybe fixed. I haven't driven it far enough to tell. The service advisor at the dealership told me that the Freelander was banned from the United States after about four years due to the many problems that they have. I would like to know if this is true and whether we could file a class action suit against Land Rover for the excessive amount of repairs that the Freelander has required.
  • moe71moe71 Posts: 11
    I just had the fuel pump replaced luckily it came under the service bulletin that was just sent out...so no cost...I don't know what to tell you. I have all the same issues, just replaced all my hoses again and still smell coolant. All the hoses cracked because they are junk. I still owe 5k on it and I am trying to hold out as long as I can...but not sure how long I can. I have heard numerous talks of suits...but nothing as of yet that I am aware of.
  • I'm still seeing posts from owners that have the coolant leak issue, or just a lemony Freelander in general. :lemon:

    Best day I ever had was the day I traded in my 2004 Freelander for a 2009 Subaru Forester. I lost a ton of money on the Freelander, but I bet I would have lost more on repairs if I had kept it. I keep telling people to just dump it and not hold their breath on a class action law suit. You'll sleep better.

    I also had the coolant leak issue. I tried working with my dealer and LR North America. Their goals were to keep me confused and for me to buy an LR3. They won't help you. Just keep telling others about your experience with Land Rover -- you can revel the day they go out of business. I'm seeing fewer and fewer of these pieces of junk here on the Eastside of Seattle.
  • minchowminchow Posts: 1
    I'm sorry to hear about all the problems that everyone has been having. I have an 05 Freelander and absolutely love it. I have had to replace the front brakes and keep up with regular maintenance. I have not had any problems whatsoever and probably should have never started reading these blogs. Everyone is making me a little nervous but then I remember when people are unhappy with something they [non-permissible content removed] and blog about it,,,.when they are happy with something they just enjoy it. I think that's what I'll continue to do. Good luck to all of you,,,,I wish things had gone better!!!!
  • gdsellergdseller Posts: 2
    My wife and I bought a Freelander 04 back in 2006. In the three years that we have had it, my life has been a conitnuous road of pain.

    It started out with a simple issue with the door locks. No big thing. Replaced under warranty. Then it started jumping into a downhill descent type four wheel drive mode when you slowed down. It also would stall and just quit while driving. Turned out to be a pump and compression issue. Replaced. Then we had all kinds of issues with the maintenance department and coolant. It kept leaking and you could smell it in the heater. They attempted to fix it several times with no luck. One time they left a rag wrapped around a hose next to the fan belt. Another time they forgot to fix the water resevoir which is why I took it in to begin with. However, they did contact me and say my sunroof was not working and they would fix it. Guess what, when I picked it up it was still broken!! And they had forgotten to put water back into it.

    Eventually the heads started making a noise and then valves are gone. It is out of warranty. When I found someone to work on it he found other issues. The valves are gone and the cam shaft is broken. THANKS LAND ROVER!!

    I am now in the hole close to $4000 and the vehicle is worth less. I am also still financing it so I have no recourse but to pay to fix it or watch it rust away while writing checks on it.

    Run from Land Rover! The products are inferior and the company could care less.
  • I know exactly how you and your wife feel. I owned a 2004 Freelander :lemon: and loved it for about the first year. Then, sudden disaster. Coolant leaking, fumes coming through the heater... my local Land Rover dealer was basically unresponsive, aside from stating that the vehicle would need a total engine replacement. I still owed $13,000.00! Apparently, from what I've read, most Land Rover dealers are uncooperative and scriptedly in denial. Please check out this web site for the name of an attorney who may be able to help you. He recently worked with me and successfully resolved my situation.

    This is happening to too many Freelander owners to be merely coincidental (as other posts here have insinuated). Good luck! :)
    http://www.lemonlawclaims.com/freelander_head_gasket_and_engine%20failure.htm
  • gdsellergdseller Posts: 2
    Thanks! I have given up hope on the vehicle and am in the process of minimizing my losses. Maybe I can at least get some of my money back.

    I actually thought about getting a new LR2 but have completely soured on the entire Land Rover line. It is sad that such a great name has been reduced to this.
  • Yeah, don't get an LR2. I had a 1999 Discovery II that had problems, and in good faith, "upgraded" to a 2004 Freelander because it "fixed" many of the problems associated with the Discovery. When my Freelander started tanking, they assured me that the LR2 "fixed" the problems with the Freelander. Fool me once...

    Do what I did and just trade it in for a dependable car. I lost tons of money, but at least it stopped the bleeding. I sleep better now to boot!
  • lr2kutlr2kut Posts: 1
    :lemon: I don' t know why it took me so long to post my freelander tale. I bought my 2005 se in feb 2007. The problems started almost immediately with the "service engine soon" light coming on. This happened almost immediately and continued about 2-3 times per month with always the same results-fault codes, and near undriveability. Throw in along the way constant overheating which i think got the thermostat
    replaced and fan belt, too. Constant squeaking of front brakes and a new set at around 15-16K miles, these were replaced once more with no improvement. The truck only had 10K+ miles on her when i bought it, as I think it was a previous service loaner. Also going on it was the sunroof, again replaced. Issues with the tranny, serviced. Then finally the big one-the dealer told me that my engine was gone and that it would have to be replaced. They held on to it for 2 months and still no engine. After over 3+ months in a rental, at their expense, they finally gave me one of their service loaners, brand new LR2. I liked that truck so much that I was able to swing the payment on one. I guess that I got lucky because the dealer was willing to give me $14K for my Freelander, which was still sitting on their lot waiting for an engine. I ended up eating about $2500 on the deal for the LR2 but it was probably the best alternative at the time for a new vehicle, which I bought about 1 year later in Feb 2008. That truck sat for almost 5 months before an engine was found for it. Of course instead of sending the car to auction, it was put back on their lot for resale, it only had about 21K miles on it. They did find someone else to buy this truck because I have seen it around while driving and in for repairs when my LR2 is in for service. I really love my truck and so far have been pretty fortunate as it is mostly Volvo and not Tata on the inside. I was just glad to finally be rid of that truck.
  • My wife had purchased a slightly used FL in 2006. Started idling rough so we took it in for some reprogramming recall. Right after that, we started noticing grinding from the rear end (has 50k miles on it). Dealer said 'might just be suchnsuch bearing....if it's gone long enough, may need a new drive shaft which would be $3,000' Won't know until we get it apart. Having been a mechanic previously, and knowing that there were TSB's released indicating [non-permissible content removed] engineering in that specific area of the Freelander, I told her via phone that they can go get *$&%ed. Sounds more like the rear diff to me anyway. I would love to see a driveshaft worth 1500 let alone 3k. The part is a few hundred dollars. The bearing in question simply supports the drive shaft, and it is, in fact, worn, but does not explain the rough grinding noise that only heavy gears stripping can make and only whist turning right. 1 week after that she started losing coolant slowly and her temp gauge would get erratic. replace lost coolant, temp was fine. 1 week after that, engine started tapping when cold. Sounded like tappets in the top end and would go away after warmup. Doesn't go away now, which isn't good.. Land Rover says without the dealer scheduled maint visits they were not going to help. The vehicle was maintained elsewhere and we have the docs. Sorry, but not getting the intake components soaked and cleaned at a specified interval has no impact whatsoever on the crankcase or the cooling system nor does it change [non-permissible content removed] design and engineering. We have stopped the payments on this car. We still owe 12k on the loan and refuse to dumped 10k into repairs when it is just going to happen again.
  • Hi. I received no help whatsoever from Land Rover. I see that this vehicle was of very poor design and that I am one of many. I also see that I am starting to experience the engine noise issue that happens right before engine failure (You know, the one I just (today) found splattered all over the internet regarding this KV6). I still owe a 5 digit amount on this fraud of a vehicle, which you do not hold yourselves accountable for, so I will be contacting the NTSB, BBB, The FTC, AG of New York State, the local dealership (to alert them of my campaign which will alert the area as to how well Land Rover stands by its product)... and what other organizations my contacts can suggest to me regarding this issue. While it is still a personal burden for me to bear this undeserved punishment, owing thousands on a vehicle that I can't even sell due to poor engineering, this is now also a matter of general principle, if your company can even comprehend such things.
    If you had any integrity whatsoever, you would furnish me a similarly used better designed LR model as a swap, I won't be holding my breath.
  • Howard Gutman,Esq. Flanders, NJ. has been handling cases in NJ. I just gave him a complete repair packaged for my 2003 Freelander,been in shop 14 times in 28 months. He's not Class Action, but will handle your claim at no charge. I don't think he's as enthusiastic a representative as this forum apparently needs. I am folowing another lead to representation and I'll get back to the forum with that information if it shows promise. Although, Class Action typically lessen's the individual payout regardless of variances. No matter we need to be heard. Maybe Washington? Secretary of Commerce?
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