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Land Rover Freelander

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    "The '07 model will be equipped with a 3.0-liter V6 engine and will provide a much more comfortable ride and more spacious interior than the current vehicle."

    2007 Land Rover Freelander Heads to Paris (Inside Line)

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    you beat me to it. i think it looks great.
  • I would recommend you push for the dealership to do something about it while it's still under warranty. I own a 99 Freelander. Last Thursday it broke down on my way to work. It had to be towed to LR, the next day I had received a bill for AUS $4,600 parts and $2,800 for service. My car have never been off road, have only done 52,000kms. The list of things that needs to be repaired are huge, headgaskit and clutch kit are the two major things that needs doing. For a car that is so seldom used, this should not have happened. LR is not taking any responsibilities. Even though many complaints have been made about headgasket problems all over the internet. Have a look at the attached site about someone making a complaint to the ACCC. http://home.austarnet.com.au/edwardsonline/freelanderheadgasket/accc.htm
    Anyways good luck, I don't think I will buy another Land Rover again after this experience. Even if the car was in working order, the depreciation on them just make the car not worth buying.
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    I am pursuing legal action on my 2005 Freelander based on US lemon laws. I had over 50 days out of service in the first year. The law recognizes 20 days out of service as a concern or lemon. The experience you all are having does not encourage me.
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    Does anyone out there have enough miles on a US Freelander gas engine to comment on engine life? I am now at 13,000 miles; it's a baby yet. I know the LR Discovery is running over 200,000 miles around here. People seem to love 'em (Discovery).
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    My 2005 Freelander transmission was replaced for a similar issue. It "raced" btween either 1 and 2 or 2 and 3. I think it was 1 and 2. Very hard to reproduce for the dealer. So far, my time in service is 86% of the time owned.
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    Loving my Freelander again. :shades: Performance is so good with the replaced transmission. I wish it could have been sooner. Only time will tell where I really am but, I am enjoying this car. Maybe, a 2007 redesign would be a good option. I am considering it. I stay with the breed and get to take advantage of the new design. The X-type Jags I had as loaners had the Ford Cleveland 230 hp V-6 and a similar Jatco transmission to the Freelander. They performed nice together. The speculation on the web is that this is the drivetrain coming. The stability control on the Jag saved me in Western New York one dark snowy night from the :sick: . It took over on the second manual correction on ice and snow. I can't say if a conventional system would have allowed recovery. I am all for stability control. Six airbags is a good idea in case all else fails..... :P
  • busta5busta5 Posts: 9
    So.....if I am reading your posts correctly, this is your 2nd transmission on this car and you are happy? Please tell me you are not paying for these! 13,000m only? I found a remedy for this problem, sell it and buy a Honda.
  • busta5busta5 Posts: 9
    #910 of 941 LR Freelander 2005 Trans Fails by lakewood Mar 08, 2006 (3:58 am)
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    I am pursuing a buy-back of my 2005 LR says NO so far. They want to be difficult. I hired lawyers now. I have had 51 days out of service in 10 mos.. After a new transmission was installed reverse is rough. They tested it. Missed a detail in testing. The dealer in Solon polite and says LR corporate won't authorize parts. Not much more to say. After over 30 days in the shop, I called an hour later for a new appointment.
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    No, we don't pay for warranty work.
  • busta5busta5 Posts: 9
    aren't you concerned that you have replaced the trans TWICE in 13,000 miles/it doesn't look good for the future. Wether you have paid for it or not, I think I would be very concerned. :surprise:
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    Only one trans. failed.
    Jeff
  • cpalfreycpalfrey Posts: 1
    Hi there:

    My IRD has boken . Did landrover pay for this defect? Is there any recourse?

    Thanks
    Carol
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    2007 Land Rover - Name change (Straightline)

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  • busta5busta5 Posts: 9
    They can change the name but it is still a heap of junk. :sick:
  • My understanding is that the new Freelander/LR2 is meant to be a really good vehicle.

    The challenge for Landrover is that they have completely alienated what could have been a loyal buying base. It's one thing for the Freelander to be so bad, but it's quite another for the company and dealerships to lose out on loyalty purchases by treating existing cusotmers this poorly.

    We leased our Freelander and turned it in with 19k miles after 39 months of use.
    Dealer: "You didn't like this car very much did you?"
    Me: "umm... no... not really."
    Dealer: "What Landrover would you like to replace this with?"
    Me: "Your kidding right?"
    Dealer: "No, seriously, the LR3 is a great vehicle."
    Me: "It might be, I really need something more reliable."
    Dealer: "Is that your new BMW out there?"
    Me: "Yep...."
    Dealer: "Oh... ok. Those are good cars to"
    Me: "Yep... and they take care of their customers"
    Dealer: "We do to"
    Me: Just Looks at dealer for reality check
    Dealer: "Yeh... ok maybe not"
  • stevenzozstevenzoz Posts: 8
    We have a 2002 Freelander S with 36,000+ miles on it and have had no problems what-so-ever. :shades:
  • ashleighcashleighc Posts: 1
    Hi Everyone,
    New to the site. I just had a horrible experience from the dealership... brought in my freelander... knew the tie rods were worn, tried to tell me it was tire pressure.

    There is a lot of talk about transmissions and engines... Currently working my way through 54,000 Km (bought used only had for it for 3 months) and want to know what to look for before I run out of warranty.
    (expected in 26K)

    Are there any other key signs or symptoms that are tell tale for these two problems?

    Cheers
    Ashleigh
  • ianannianann Posts: 2
    If you are a US owner you have mercifully been spared the "joys" of ownership of a 1.8 litre petrol powered Freelander. Had this model been released in the US I can only muse as to whether Land Rover would have still been in business. For interest refer almost any non US forum. Head/Head-gasket/wet-sleeve-cylinder-block/coolant/circulation design issues combined to make the 1.8 K series petrol engine essentially a "consumable". For issues with your particular engine I suggest you look at the many Land Rover/Freelander Forums.
    The transmission is a somewhat different issue being common to all Freelanders regardless of engine type and size. The villain in the piece is the "viscous coupling" which is a purely mechanical self actuating device fitted to the transmission shaft between the front and rear axles systems.
    In principle it is a simple clever device which allows the car to act as a front wheel drive car on hard surfaces, reacting to wheel slippage on soft surfaces, "locking up" and converting the car to so-called 4 wheel drive.
    The problem is that especially on earlier Freelanders this coupling gradually locked up permanently and driving the car on normal hard surfaces causes "transmission windup" which causes excessive load on and excessive wear and eventual failure of the rear diff and its support structures and the front Intermediate Reduction Drive. The early symptom is a general tightening and sometimes near stall as the vehicle reverses slowly on tight steering lock. This is often accompanied by the rear tires scrubbing and jumping and not surprisingly very rough tyre wear. Tweaking the diff ratios has apparently minimized the problem but the viscous coupling seems to be inherently suspect.
    Sorry to be a bit long winded but thats my 2 cents worth.
    Cheers
    Ian H
  • cstoltzcstoltz Posts: 8
    Bear with me here.... As I was driving on the highway this afternoon - I noticed that my AC wasn't working too well (or not at all). I didn't pay too much attention since "little" things break down regularly on my LR. I went to the store, came out 30 minutes later and started my car.... again thinking... "I wonder why the AC isn't working". Well, 5 minutes later I notice white smoke/steam coming out from under my hood! This causes me to look at my temp guage which was all the way to HOT!!! I immediately pulled over and called the LR dealership who suggested I have the car towed. As it was 5:45pm on the start of a 3-day weekend - I full well knew that no one would be at the dealership by the time I would be towed in. I decided to wait 10 minutes or so and drive to my husband's office (only a mile or so away). Again, the cars temp guage rocketed to HOT - but this time no steam. The car will be towed to the dealership next week - but before it goes in I was hoping to get some suggestions on WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED!! By the way, I only have 34,000 miles or so AND I had my 36,000 mile service (a little early) in March. I am open to any and all suggestions as my car saavy is sadly lacking. Thanks!!!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919

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  • sacstate1sacstate1 Posts: 189
    Sounds like your thermostat has stuck open.

    My advice is to leave it at your husbands office with the keys in the ignition, doors unlocked and if lucky when you return next week it will be gone.
  • cstoltzcstoltz Posts: 8
    While your leave-the-keys-and-run advice sound wise, we had the car towed to the dealership (thank you AAA). The diagnosis is, as you suspected, a broken thermostat - which caused the coolant not to circulate - which caused the car to overheat - which caused the intake gasket on the engine to blow. And to think the service guy on Friday asked me to drive my car into the dealership - I may have been looking at a whole new engine had I followed his advice! YIKES! We are currently working with LR North America to see if they will cover the repairs as I am only 4 months out of warrenty (AND have had ALL my services done on TIME BY the DEALERSHIP). Any advice out there on dealing with LRNA? It also sounds like this is a known issue as I have found multiple posts with similar tales of woe. c.
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    My Freelander went back. It was not easy. I gave up on it and started with arbitration, then lawyers. I had more than 50 days out of service last year. Notable is that buy-back took lawyers and had delays. I am still waiting to get the money out I had in it. Every step takes a month or more. I am possibly afraid to buy the LR3 and afraid to say much. It is possible but, expect to work hard to give any car back at any manufacturer. Failures: trans., tail light leak, center arm rest snap, crushed wiring harness when new trans installed, missing bolt after new trans installed, 5 visits to prove trans failed. 39 days to replace trans.. Suspect head gaskets were starting to leak coolant, added 10 oz. after some amount of time. Used 3/4 quart of oil in 3000 miles. I was carefully checking fluids to be sure I did not have any fluid leaks or seize the engine by surprise as some have alleged. I was going to take the best care possible of this vehicle which I liked. Maybe, if the LR3 was ready, I would try one.
  • lakewoodlakewood Posts: 26
    Land Rover is a tough company. That means if you buy it, it is your's and your problem. That is my experience. It could take 10 years for them to get loyalty and beat the bad press. JD Powers rates them low. In contrast a sister division Jaguar is rated in the top 25%. Jaguar is not perfect in reputation but, apparently customer service is better. Maybe, Land Rover can make a comeback, too. I like the design; Just not the service.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919

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  • cstoltzcstoltz Posts: 8
    How nice that LRNA paid for half!! They aren't doing anything for me despite the fact that I am only months out of warrenty and below 35,000 miles. I am also learning the "hard way" that my '02 S is slowly becoming a money pit. My car has been at the dealership for over two weeks now and although they "fixed" what they said was a broken thermostat (which caused overheating and then a blown intake gasket), they have now discovered that the heater core is leaking coolant and will need to be replaced (again). This part was ALREADY replaced about two years ago (under warrenty)!! When talking with the dealership about the status of my care, the customer service rep fully admitted over the phone that the '02 FLs are KNOWN to have chronic coolant issues. The only good to come out of this, is that the service manager IS going to cover the costs for the new heater core (although not the blown gasket/broken temp guage). Hopefully, the third time is the charm. It may be too late, but I am going to look into extended warrenties - or a new car.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    "Land Rover has just introduced the all-new LR2. The LR2 is the replacement for the Freelander. Among the improvements are a larger 3.2L V6; a 6-speed automatic, which offers a manual shift mode; and Land Rover's unique Terrain Response permanent AWD."

    All-new Land Rover LR2 (Straightline)

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  • wayneowayneo Posts: 3
    My Freelander went in for some minor repairs under warranty
    like a bad left rear turn signal, left speaker and bad temperature gauge. Turns out that the temperature gauge was not the trouble. The diagnosis is, as you suspected, a broken thermostat - which caused the coolant not to circulate - which caused the car to overheat - which caused the intake gasket on the engine to blow. The dealer told me it was my fault because I didn't have a 24,000 mile check up. Where is it written that a $650.00-24,000 mile check up is mandatory? After 4 days they replaced the engine and I was on my way. Three days later the car overheat. The dealer sent a tow truck to my rescue and a rent-a-car. The problem was a clamp failed and all the anti-freeze leaked out. I never heard of a clamp failing,only a mechanic failing to install or tighten a clamp. I called LR and requested an extended warranty on the engine. Guess what, because my warranty had 6 months left on it, they refused to issue an extended 1 year warranty which they normally due if the date is less than six months left on the original warranty. If a company knows this is an inherent problem why are they so stubborn to remedy the situation? The dealer says, wait till January and he can sell me the new LR2. Fat,chance!
    Customer service is the key in this business, without it all autos are the same. The NTHSA will not do anything because there have not been enough problems reported. I would like to send them a list of all the Head Gasket problems on the Freelanders and make LR give a damm about its customers.
  • gocargogocargo Posts: 1
    So I dont want to be skeptical because I really have enjoyed my little freelander... But recently I have been driving the car and this strange electrical noise starts and lights on the dash board flicker. Then the other day I was driving it and the noise became very intense and all the lights possible lit up on the dash board and the car completely died. It wouldn't turn on for another ten minutes or so. Then is started up and I was able to make it back home with little problem but the noise comes and goes. (this was all over the course of this weekend. After brining it into the dealership their response was they could find nothing wrong. I am nervous to drive this car on the highway in fear it could just stop again. .... Any advice or help would be great! :confuse:
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