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To vadp- Thanks for updating your profile. Please read my email. Also, feel free to link your article, about the Civic Type R, into one of these appropriate discussions: Honda Civic Type R or Honda Civic Hatchbacks.
And now back to the subject of the Honda Civic Si!
Revka
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If you're interested in doing the same, I have a few tips.
1. Buy some Goo Gone. It is the best at dissolving any sticky goo left on your paint.
2. For the Civic badge or any plastic badge that's held on with sticky foam tape, use floss to cut throught the foam. If it's cold, use a hair drier to warm up the foam and glue, it will come off easier.
3. For the i-VTEC stickers, I just parked one side in the sun and then peeled up one corner and the whole thing came off. Go slow. Again, if it's cold, use a hair drier.
Has anyone upgraded wheels to 15 or 16"? Any recommendations? Might be a while before I can get that past my financial advisor (wife), but am interested in any issues.
Helpful Links: You'll now find a direct link to our Honda Civic Problems discussion in the Helpful Links box on the left side of the page.
To siarizona - Thanks for the tips! Happy motoring!
Revka
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If you already own one then don't look at what they are selling for now;)
Edwarda1
For example, I contacted 5 different Honda dealerships within 30 miles of each other in the metro Detroit area (there are at least 12 in all I think) but none of them will even go lower than the best price among themselves which is $15,990 + dest. In the end, I manage to find a dealership about an hour away that will sell the car at $15,990 with dest. included and throw in floormats and waive doc fee ($40 in MI). On top of that they carry the MacNiel rubber mats for $70 that are sold on mats.com for $80 (black).
I saved about $600 in all but is it worth all the trouble?? You decide.
Here is how to defeat it.
1. Turn off car.
2. Turn all three ventilation knobs to the left.
3. At the same time hold in the AC and Recirc buttons.
4. Turn on the car and continue to hold the AC and Recirc button until the AC light flashes.
Now you can turn the AC off when in defrost mode.
Caution- get someone to help you if you can't do two things at once.
But I guess Honda makes this quirk in the A/C is because most people do not know that it is the A/C that dehumidifies the air that clears up the fogging. So now w/ the A/C disabled, when one puts it in defrost mode will wonder why the windows and windshield do not clear.
The only way to solve this would be for Honda to fix this glitch. Make sure when we change the mode from defrost, set the A/C back to whatever was set before. If A/C was set on before switching to defrost, keep it on. Otherwise, keep it off.
It is a glitch. Other cars A/C default back to whatever setting you had before switching to defrost.
Save your breath and don't argue on this. A glitch is a glitch no matter how small.
Say one day Honda decides to do the same thing to the cruise control. You hit a button to activate cruise control function. You set your speed and cruise. But once you hit the brake or cancel, Honda makes you press that little button to activate cruise control function again, each and every time. How would you feel??
But what I'm talking about is, say I have the A/C switch off but in face mode. Now, I hit the defrost or put it on defrost and foot mode. Voila, the A/C comes on and helps in the defogging. The Civic does it as well as most cars. However now when I switch it back to face mode, the A/C button stays on whereas in some cars, the A/C button will default to what it was prior to switching to defrost mode. Since I have the A/C off when it was in face mode, it should be off but the Civic doesn't do that. It stays on.
This is the glitch we are talking about. Not the A/C coming on when in defrost mode.
Considering some cars don't have this "glitch" in any form whatsoever why not just be happy. In addition someone just gave the directions how to turn the "glitch" off. That'll take the car back a few model years.
What we are referring to is when we switch back to the mode we were originally (before defrost), most cars will automatically set the A/C to what it was before defrost was selected. That's what we are referring too. Apparently both you and anony. seem to not understand this.
The fix does not NOT turn on the A/C when in defrost mode. If it does that, you are right. It'll take the car back a few years. The fix allows us to manually turn off the A/C when in defrost mode if we choose to. Get it? What we want is for the A/C setting to default back to what it was prior to selecting defrost mode.
Ok, I've said repeated myself twice. Get it?
Well, assuming it is normal for the parking light to come on with the low beam, I guess I have to find some white ones too for that.
Dealer called and the part is in to repair my fuel system. (See, I told you it was not the gas cap! You just won't listen and you know who I am referring to)
A little less than 2K miles on my Si so far and it is proving to be a very enjoyable car to drive. Kudos to Honda for the seat design, much better than the OK seats in my 2003 Tacoma.
With a defect in the first 1,000 miles the Si is starting poorly but I have expectations for it to be nearly problem free for the rest of the time I own it. Any car can have initial defects. My Si should have very low maintenance costs with the first tune up not needed until after 100,000 miles.
Once again here are the instructions for the AC tweak.
Here is how to defeat it.
1. Turn off car.
2. Turn all three ventilation knobs to the left.
3. At the same time hold in the AC and Recirc buttons.
4. Turn on the car and continue to hold the AC and Recirc button until the AC light flashes.
Now you can turn the AC off when in defrost mode.
I can understand why a FEW people would like to have that option. It was discussed in the LS400 forum by ONE person there also. But the consensus was it was no big deal and was more a convenience.
gee35- can you define MOST and FEW and CONSENSUS to 4 pages of posts from people who were unhappy with the AC / Defrost OEM setup? A CONSENSUS is not two people and what is the yelling with CAPS all about? We have the Antarctica symbol in common. Can't we be friends;)
Caps are yelling it's emphasis.
And the consensus was everyone in the forum except the ONE person who wanted control of the A/C.
Everyone else was happy since in the Lexus the A/C is on nearly all the time anyway for dehumidification. The same issue was brought up in the Acura forum. I'm sure there are those that want this control but again it's really a small concern.
There are just as many people who leave the A/C on all the time and control the temp with the heat knob.
But that's not the problem we are talking about. If I had the A/C off before defrost, when I switch back to whatever mode I had before, the A/C should automatically go off rather than staying on. This is what we are talking about! Please read it again and again till you get it!
It doesn't matter if it is just a matter of pushing 1 button. There are 2 problems Honda need to address.
1. Allow us to cut the A/C off if we choose to in defrost mode.
2. Default the A/C back to what we set it to initially prior to defrost mode when changing back.
Both gee35coupe and anony can argue all they want since they are a couple, but face it. Most cars do not do this! In your beloved Lexus I can bet you that if you turn the A/C off in face mode and switch over to defrost, the A/C will come on. BUT when you change it back to face mode, the A/C will be off coz' that's what you set it to be before defrost.
thanks. (Off Soap Box)
I also asked about the parking light but no one answered (yet).
Here's another question. I would like to get alu. pedals and a titanium shift knob. Anyone has any recommendations? A good titanium/aluminum shift knob, like the Rob KnobII for Audis and BMWs
Rob Knobs
One w/ substantial weight. Not just for looks.
Revka
As for the radar detector just find a DC that's switched and splice into it if there's no open fuse connection. It's easy.
My 2000 SI has 36,500 miles. No problems. Has a CAI, Exhaust, upper lower chassis braces, blackout headlight housings, and stock wheels. Runs lke a top on Syntec. I prefer it to the 2002's for it's 8000 rpm redline.
Other than ignoring/scrolling, the best way to deal with what you're talking about is to just start up a new subject, and invite other people to join in.... Also, don't hesitate to post your message again if it doesn't take the first time.
Speaking of which, I haven't seen any detailed vehicle reports/updates in this discussion, at least not in quite some time.
Anyone interested in listing: total miles to date, current mpg (city/highway), maintenance to date, new accessories/mods, road trips, and overall impressions as compared to when you first purchased...? Also, you can report back every 3-5k miles to update again. I think this would be interesting. ;-)
Revka
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Pros- Fun to drive. Great seats. Good handling. Lot's of space for such a small car. Smooth engine and excellent shifter. Standard sunroof. Standard ABS. Actual price that Si is selling for is excellent value.
Cons- Small wheels and tires. Just an average audio system that is not as good as the one in Sentra SER or Focus SVT. Headlights do not illuminate as well as my VW Golf. I would rate the headlights as average. MSRP $19,400 including freight is too high for this car IMHO. Only one 12V power outlet. No cargo hooks in hatch area to use in securing items.
My overall impression of the Si is that it delivers on my pre-purchase expectations. I recommend it for someone who wants a small sporty car that is reliable and does not need to have rear passengers very often.
re gee35 - no wonder you could not understand the AC issue if you do not even own a 2002 or 2003 Si. It makes a difference if you drive a car every day. 2000 and 2002 Si are very different.
My 2000 SI does it that way and my Lexus's A/C is on whenever the automatic climate control is on.
WE ARE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS!!! How many times do we have to tell you. We do not have a problem with the A/C coming on when in defrost mode. We just want the A/C to go back to what it was prior to switching to defrost mode! And we also want to be able to shut off the A/C if we so choose to in defrost mode. Read robmarch's post many times over. Maybe have anony explain to you if she understand what we are trying to tell you.
Please someone... explain it to him.
"Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth??" ... so to speak.
Basically, I'm looking for some instructions in telling me how to remove the trims around the radio/AC area so I can hide the wires and mount the remote display.
Run the wires down the pillar, beside the dash next to the door and down under the dash. You may have to pioneer this one. I quit using em a few years back since I find that cautious driving and keen eyes beat a radar detector every time.
Run the wires down the pillar, beside the dash next to the door and down under the dash
I'll make sure to stick my head down to the floor to look at the remote display :P
I'm running the wires (phone cables) along the A-Pillar down to the dash though connected to the cigarette light adapter for the time being since I've to find the correct connection to use in the fuse box. But in either case, I need an elegant way to run the wire up to the center storage area (just below the radio). That's where I am mounting the remote display and right now, I used double sided tape to hold the wire in place along the edges. I would like to ideally drill a hole small enough to snake the phone line through the center storage area and down to the fuse area eventually. Don't like the sight of wires the way I have it now. I just need to know which screws and trims to remove in what order so I can better hide the wires behind the radio.
Btw, does your Lexus A/C stays on (if you had it off prior to changing it to defrost) when you switch it back? We all know Honda cars have this quirk. My A4 didn't do this.
Everyone said since the A/C is the default when the Climate was on and the computer shut the A/C of when it was too cold why would you need to shut off the A/C? Just cause he wanted to.
Oh well.
But at the end of your posts you always ask a question. It coulda been done with "Turn it off". And this whole crap woulda been done.
"Btw, does your Lexus A/C stays on (if you had it off prior to changing it to defrost) when you switch it back?" Yes, I'd never notice though since the Auto Climate is always engaged.
"Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?" Yup...But do understand yourself?
Sorry, but I don't live my live accepting something that is clearly a mistake. If we keep doing this, Honda will keep forgetting to fix these quirks.
For your info, in my A4, it does the same thing as your LS400. If I chose auto climate control, like you said, the A/C is always on and under control by the A/C system. However, even under auto climate control, I can still manually switch it over to ECON mode (A/C off) while under auto climate control. Guess what, when I switch to defrost, the A/C comes on like it should. But as soon as I switch it back, the A/C goes off, coz' it was off before defrost.
Looks like you are claiming your LS400 behavior to be different from the auto climate control I'm familiar with.
But this has been beaten to death. But in the end, it is still a quirk. No matter how you try to slice and dice it. Sure it is a small matter but I don't want Honda A/C to end up like most Ford cars. How many Ford owners realize there's no RECIRC button in their A/C system? Maybe Ford thinks their buyers are too dumb to figure out how to use the recirc function. Afterall, not too many people know how to program their VCRs.
I have 6700 miles on my SI. Other than a new windshield (and I didn't replace it because of a Honda "quirk") the car has required nothing other than a tire rotation and balance, gas, and me to drive it. I am averaging 28-30MPG with speeds averaging 60MPH on the daily commute to work. Some stop and go but not much. Some highway driving but not much.
Pros: Shifter, seats, engine, overall gas mileage, safety, and the hatch is very convenient.
Cons: It seems to be attracted to mailboxes and shopping carts.