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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues

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  • anselmo1anselmo1 Posts: 163
    I started this topic to help people just like you and the problems you listed. My guess would be that it should involve someone from the Honda regional office to get your problems corrected to your satisfaction.

    I assume, you are still covered by the 3 year 36K Honda bumper to bumper warranty. Ironically, I have a relative that owns a 2000 Honda SE 4 cylinder and he has not had one problem outside of the normal Honda recalls for his model.

    It sounds as if you are on the right track with the second Honda dealership regarding some of your problems. Like I mentioned before, Honda Regional should be involved with your problems and correct them.
  • Thought everyone might be interested in this topic:


    http://www.motorportal.com/j__d__powers_survey.htm

  • bburton1bburton1 Posts: 395
    Their data is always interesting-they are in the business of generating numbers to help manufacturer's sell cars. SO when i see their data-I tend to be skeptical. Now CR on the other hand does not have a commercial bent involved in their rating process.
  • Remember, the manufacturers pay for this information and this is a barometer on gauging a company's success. This is the gospel according to the automotive industry. The manufacturers then take this data and generate various marketing programs geared to sell their award winning cars or trucks.

    On the other hand, Consumer Reports magazine is a magazine totally geared to the consumer. Automobile manufacturers utilize this message to a lesser degree. You will see Consumers Digest (different publication) advertises the merits of lesser cars. The car manufacturers pay for this type of advertisement in Consumers Digest.
  • bburton1bburton1 Posts: 395
    Ran a very large consumer research operation several years ago and let me tell you-research can be geared to deliver the results you want. We referred to those as "Selling Numbers". THose are numbers used to sell a program, product or concept. That is precisely what JD Powers does-is it wrong-no of course not-In fact it is kind of rare for people to really want to find out what is going on by conducting research-they have a specific ax to grind and they design their research to get results that will do just that-provide a platform to sell something. As American as apple pie.
  • My only comment would be is why does Consumers Reports magazine statistics mirror that of the J D Powers survey? They are both saying the same thing when rating the cars and their reliability.

    Consumer Reports doesn't get paid by anyone and does not receive advertising revenues in their publication. If both sources are saying the same thing, how is one influenced and the other is not?
    Both are coming up with almost the exact results!
  • Most US quality surveys do put Toyota, Honda, and Nissan in front. It's hard to say that they are bought off when they all mirror the same results. Over the last 10 years (93-03) Honda has sold close to 4 million Accords. If there were significant issues with these cars the backlash on the internet would be unfathomable. Look at the Focus ... with only 2 years of production there are all ready pages of sites devoted to problems. A similar search of the Accord yields no where near the same results. And car magazines also recognize Honda for their engineering and durability. I don't think Honda has enough money to buy all of those sources off especially when you compare their capital to GM, Ford, and Toyota. Those are much larger and richer companies.
  • bburton1bburton1 Posts: 395
    Different research houses can come to the same set of conclusions even if they are dancing to a different set of drummers. All I wanted to point out is that when somebody trumpets some numbers-just be aware of who is funding the generation of those numbers.
  • Your thorough analysis of Canadians was quite amusing to say the least. The Canadians do have a better Honda warranty though---how do you explain that?
  • Thanks Mike for the compliment and a special thanks to all the Canadian posters that took it the right way.

    I would love to hear the pros and cons of regarding the new 2003 Accord. What if any have been quality assurance concerns?
  • I have heard nothing but good regarding the new Honda Accord. To be exact, I know one person that owns one and loves it. Believe it or not, I see more Honda Pilots on the road than the new 2003 Accord.
  • It actually seems like the new Accords are doing pretty well when it comes to first year bugs. We'll know better as time passes but so far it looks good considering it's been out almost 3 months.
  • The only potential problem I have heard regarding the 2003 Honda Accord is that there has been a few reports that the V-6 pulls to the right. That is the only thing negative I have heard about the 2003 Accord.
  • gotribegotribe Posts: 101
    If this has been covered elsewhere sorry. My EX V-6 sedan's speedometer appears about 8% fast. According to Car and Driver, in 5th gear (for the automatic) it gets 31.4mph/1000rpm. So at 2000rpm it should be travelling about 63mph. Mine is going 68mph. I know manufacturers often shoot for 2-3% fast to help us avoid tickets, but 8% seems excessive. Just tried it on my two Odyssey minivans (99 and 02) and the error is about the same based on their mph/1000rpm's. Others experiencing this with the Accord?
  • umyayaumyaya Posts: 123
    This is funny, I had wondered the same thing just without bassing it on any #'s. Either the car is just plain amazing, and I think it might be anyway (just my opinion of my new 03 EX-V6), or my speedometer is fast too. At "80" I feel like I going 45 in terms of smoothness, etc., and I'm only at 2,300 revs with the AC on. Am I really going 80 then?
  • You can't call that an error with the car.

    You can not calculate the mph speed by the rpm.
    The speed of running car is depended on a lot of other factors, such as:

    - The car weight (# of people in the car and things you have in the trunk)
    - How your tire inflated (higher psi mean less surface contact with road => less friction)
    - The road surface condition (up hill, down hill... rain, snow, slippy, wet and dry will affect the friction between your tire and road....)
    - AC is on or off ?
    - Do you have opened windows ?
    - The wind direction... etc

    Several ways to check your speed:

    - Ask a friend drive another car with you... then use cell phone or walkie talkie.. to check the speed of the other car and compare with yours... (accurate is depended on your friend car)

    - Get a handheld GPS navigatior... it will tell you how fast you are moving..

    - If you have a laptop.. you can get some GPS navigatior it will do the same as above..

    - Compare with speed checkers
    I live in NJ... in I80 West.. there is one speed checker at before exit 167...
    the speed checker tells how fast you are moving...
    so check your area... if you live in NJ... then go to I 80.. to check..

    Hope it may help
    -Howard

    PS: there is another way to check the speed (which is little costly) is:
    Pick a highway that you know there a lot of of polices or state troopers.. then drive really fast..
    The police will come to you...and will tell & also certify (written on paper) how you fast you were driving...

    (I am joking about speeding ticket.. so please don't attemp to do it)
  • gotribegotribe Posts: 101
    umyaya--At 31.4mph/1000 rpm you are travelling 72mph at your 2300rpm, not 80!! That's what I mean, the speedo is fast.

    daytona01--my friend, car weight, uphill or down, using AC, open windows, and wind direction do not affect mph/1000 rpm. And tire inflation only very neglibibly because it slightly impacts loaded wheel diameter. As for the GPS idea, wow!! An easier way (which I'll try) is to use mileage markers on the interstate to see how long it takes to cover a mile (eg. should be 3600/mph, so 60mph is 60 seconds, 70mph is 51.4 seconds etc). Any variation from those times represents error which can then be figured on a percentage basis.
  • besides the mile markers and speeding tickets...
    You can go to the store and pcik up a diagnostic that will read your RPM's digitally off the OBD connector and I would go off that. No manufacturer has ever claimed that their Tachs are 100% accurate, so if you add in say a 4-5% margin of error, or you even factor in your angle on the tach(unless you are looking at it dead on, at the exact angle of the tach gauge, your eyes will throw off the reading by a bit.) Besides... I wouldn't worry about it... if it is a little fast, at least it keeps ya out of trouble..
  • gotribegotribe Posts: 101
    umyaya--At 31.4mph/1000 rpm you are travelling 72mph at your 2300rpm, not 80!! That's what I mean, the speedo is fast.

    daytona01--my friend, car weight, uphill or down, using AC, open windows, and wind direction do not affect mph/1000 rpm. And tire inflation only very neglibibly because it slightly impacts loaded wheel diameter. As for the GPS idea, wow!! An easier way (which I'll try) is to use mileage markers on the interstate to see how long it takes to cover a mile (eg. should be 3600/mph, so 60mph is 60 seconds, 70mph is 51.4 seconds etc). Any variation from those times represents error which can then be figured on a percentage basis.
  • Bought a new Honda Accord LX back in 1995 along with the Honda Care Extended Warranty. Paid $940.00 for the 7 year 100K warranty with a zero deductible.

    Never used the extended warranty once! My 1995 Accord is the most reliable car I have ever owned without a single problem outside of basic maintenance, brakes and tires.

    I am still driving the Accord and I have over 201K on the odometer. The car still runs great and the suspension is tight. After the OEM Michelins were replaced at 42K, I decided on the Michelin X-Ones as a replacement. My first set gave me over 83K before I bought a second set. Best tires I have ever owned and I am only on my third set of tires!

    Concluding, Hondas are reliable if you take care of them. Follow the manual for maintenance and they will be the best car you will ever own.
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