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Experts, please comment.
Cheers,
John
1. Audi Care - $800 (I am inclined to buy only this)
2. GAP - ( Is this already included with the CPO warranty)
3. Ibex Surface Protection System
4. LoJack
5. Tire & Wheel plan
6. Scotchguard paint protection film
7. Paintless Dent Repair
8. Key replacement plan
9. Windshield plan
Please advise, the only one I feel buying is the Audi Care. Is it worth it?
Regards,
John
But I love the Audi A4. In order to buy the navigation, I would be spending about $10,000 more than the Sonata. The cons would be dealer about 30 miles away, less of a warranty, the horsepower is less (274(Sonata) vs 211 (Audi) and the future lifetime repair cost of the Audi vs the Sonata.
For those of you with an A4....can you help with my decision? I also did see the 2013 has been released and looks pretty sweet!
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Not sure what you mean by "GAP". Is this GAP insurance?? In the event of a total loss, GAP insurance pays off the loan (or lease) if the value of the car is less than the amount owed. Might be worthwhile if it is cheap!
--> Jynz, the wheel plan is being quoted as $575. Is it worth it?
--> kyfdx & drjoed, thank you, yes I plan on taking Audi care only from that list. About GAP insurance, that was striked off my list, so I am under the assumption that it is covered/included as this is a CPO? Is my understanding correct? I will confirm this with the dealer as well. If not i will have to add that.
Thank you all for your feedback.
Cheers,
John
I will check out the scheduled maintenance in my book tomorrow but I don't think anything is too complicated up to 60,000. What service intervals does it cover up to. If you plan on taking your car to the stealership for maintenance than it is worth it but you should be able to bet it done for less tan 800.
Good luck!
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They advised me not to go for GAP as it would not really help. GAP was being priced at $600.
Question: I was planning on asking the dealership to install a remote starter for free before they ship out the vehicle. Do I stand a chance? With these cold winters, a remote starter would definitely help. Please advise if this would cause any other electrical issues in the car.
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John
I am not sure of the remote starter. I would suggest going over to the Audizine.com site and post the question on the B8 board. The 2012 Audi is a B8.
Quick story. Over a friends house one evening when his father came home. He was a tech at a BMW dealership. My buddy says "have a good day pop?" pop replies, "everyday is a good day when you can get paid for doing nothing." My buddy explained it to me later on. Dealerships make a lot of money different ways. Salesman make it a lot of ways. When I was a kid selling the best way was selling CPO and used. The car would have a tag on it for say 30k, the dealer would inform the salesman he wanted 26,500 for the car and our commission would be 50% of every dollar over 26.5k. S o if you sold that car for 29,500 your commission would be $1500.00. Not bad for a kid on summer break.
Dealer says invoice is $38,870 and after a short negotiation they want $700 over that.
They are adding $250 documentation fee, temp. $56 registration fee and state tax. I'll be leasing this vehicle and Audi has first month payment covered.
The sales guy is asking to make him an offer. I am considering asking for Audi care and get to discount the $700 over-invoice further.
What would you guys consider a good deal in this scenario (that is also fair to the dealership) and what should I counter offer from here? Thanks.
No, I did not figure out invoice price, I took the sales guys word for it. How would I figure it out for myself?
No, I do not intend to purchase the car at this time but reading other posts I thought it was still a good deal to do so.
According to Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/dealer-holdback/) Audi has no dealer holdback. Is this true?
Also, according to Edmunds True Value site, invoice price is $38,680 (vs 38,870 I was told), so fairly close.
.00133 / 55% residual at 15k miles/y and 36 mo term. If my math is correct that's 3.19% interest. Is that awful? I think their purchase rate is 1.9%. btw I have fico score in high 700's, so "excellent" credit.
They are also adding some $675 (cannot remember what he called that fee) to come up with final lease figures. I surely need to get more detailed info on lease calculations as he kept saying (over the phone) he was not sure on all details of the lease figures. I gave him benefit of the doubt but will call and see if he can get all details for me.
It is going to be a custom order car (~90 days, not off the lot) as I am asking for options that they don't have. Does that make a huge difference for them as far as deals go? Would it be better to strike a deal before January or after? I mean how desperate are the dealers for sales at the year end?
Port inspection fee $195.00
Documentation fee $250.00
Temp reg. Title $56
Unknown fees $495.00 (I estimated based on lease quotes - think these are ad fees)
Only "legitimate" fee I see here is the Temp reg. Title fee as it is mandated by state. All the rest sounds to me like the way to make more money while advertising price cheaper - this I think is not being upfront and fair.
So, I am thinking of either agreeing to pay $700 over invoice if they remove the $940 in the above fees, or ask them to sell me at an invoice cost. The salesman told me that Audi adds the "Port inspection fee" and that's not something they add - can this be true? Surely they make money on that.
According to http://www.truecar.com if I pay 0 over invoice, the dealer still makes $910 on the sale. So I am thinking of making this as my offer and also ask them to throw in Audi Care as many forum threads recommended it even for lease (15k lease plus it adds 1 point to residual). Does this sound fair? Good Deal? Unrealistic?
Check out www.audizine.com for more info. Look under B8 a4 forum since that is the car you are buying. If you can afford it I would get a s4.
Apparently the dealer figured in an Acquisition Fee of $695.00. Is everyone paying that? Seems like a very unreasonably high fee. Has anyone managed to waive that?
So far on top of the invoice price I agreed to pay:
Destination fee of $875.00
Documentation fee $250.00
Reg fee
I'm thinking of asking to throw in Audi care with it. What do yo guys think? The Acquisition Fee leaves a very bad taste indeed.
Virtually all leases include an acquistion fee.... the bank gets that... I'm not positive what Audi's base fee is, but $695 has to be pretty close..
Is this deal in Ohio?
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Thanks in advance,
The dealer's price is $37,055. Edmunds' TMV is $37,206 -- more than the list price, you'll notice -- to go along with a $36,386-or-less "great price" from TrueCar and a $36,233 target price from ZAG. The invoice prices, according to these websites, also are inconsistent: Edmunds and ZAG list the invoice at $35,733, and TrueCar lists the dealer cost at $36,115.
So I'm a little confused as I begin negotiations. I would obviously like to buy the car for as little as possible, while also being fair to the dealer and not offering an unreasonable amount. My thought is to offer $36,233 OTD, which according to ZAG is $500 more than invoice, or offering $36,733 OTD with Audi Care thrown in. That would essentially get Audi Care for $500. I wouldn't qualify for loyalty incentives or any of that.
What are your thoughts on this? Should I go lower and just offer the damn invoice price? Less? What's got me confused most, I think, is that there's really not that much distance between the invoice and the dealer's list price -- something like $700-800, depending on the valuation service. I guess I'm a little surprised the dealer priced this car so close to invoice, and it makes me wonder that, with this price, maybe the dealer would be willing to go below invoice if list price assumes (or presumably assumes) there's some wiggle room.
Many thanks for the help. Looking forward to joining the Audi family.
Thanks,
P.S. PNC has a cool Auto Loan program. I used it for comparison and the dealership matched it.
I guess my question is, how accurate really is kbb?
I had not been aware of any incentives for new non-Audi-driving car owners (we traded in a Lexus), but have since found the following on line (don't know how long it lasts):
New Owner Appreciation Incentive:
- 2012 A4/S4 Sedan* - $1,000
- 2012 A6 Sedan - $1,500
- 2012 A8 and A8L** - $2,500
*Excludes Avant. **Includes W12. Only applicable to you or a household member who currently owns the following 2001 or newer: Acura, BMW, Cadillac, Infiniti, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lexus, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, Mini, Saab, or Volvo Lease Owners. Proof of ownership is required. Lease Loyalty Bonus varies per model. Tax, title, license and dealer fees extra. Rebate to dealer. With approved Lease/Purchase through Audi Financial Services. This program may be combined with all other retail incentives and AFS special lease rates,
What would be a great deal on this for me to make him an offer?
Thanks
2012 White A4 Quattro with Convenience, Style pkgs
MSRP: $38,375.00 (includes $800 for upgrade wheels)
Discount: $3,524.82
New Owner Appreciation Incentive: $1000.00
Adjusted Sale Price: $33,850.18
Invoice on the car you describe, assuming it doesn't have anything extra (metaillic paint, special key, etc) would be $34,132, with the dealer paying less than that, of course. Given that this car already has 6,000 miles on it that you didn't put there, you should certainly get it for less (remember, 1/6th of the original warranty is gone, so if you drive it 12K miles a year, you're on hook for any repairs after 2 1/2 years). I've read that a rule-of-thumb discount for these miles is 25 cents to 30 cents per mile--$1,500 to $1,800 on a car driven 6,000 miles.
As for leasing, we didn't go that route. The dealer really wanted us to do a single-pay lease, which we didn't want to touch. But in case it's helpful for you, here are the terms he quoted us (in FLA). Others can chime in, but the m.f. seems really high:
36 Month single-pay Lease, 10k Miles Per Year
55% Residual
0.00070 Money Factor
Hope this helps!
The dealer showed the original sticker and it had price of 38,500 for original buyer. I am seeing Edmund's TMV for new as 36,406 and invoice 35,500 for very same package. The car is phantom black, style and convenience pkg added.
So you saying anything below 32k is good deal? With bit of negotiation he is at 33,500. Going for used just to save 1500 doesn't excite me. I was thinking of closing the deal if he comes down to 31k (stretching myself and car is listing for over 7 weeks.). Does first time buyer incentive apply to CPO?
You seem to have got a very good deal and I should probably consider new.
Given the instaneous depreciation hit that a brand new Audi will take as soon as you drive it off the lot, it certainly makes sense to consider a demo car. That said, I'd still want to know how those 6,000 miles were put on the vehicle. Did the dealer's daughter drive it? Was it a service loaner that had a 100 different drivers treating it a like a rental car? Worse, was it returned by the original owner because they thought it was a dog? These are all the same questions we asked when we were looking at a similar deal this past weekend.
As long as you're comfortable with the car's history, you may be able to scoop up a real bargain. If you don't get the price you want, walk--you can always get a new Audi, after all. With any luck, the dealer will call you tomorrow, desperate to meet a monthly sales goal and willing to lose money on you to do it.
Good luck!
We did ask about the 6k miles, he said the previous owner (originally sold in Dec '11) was called back and was offered a new audi for same payments, and it is quiet normal he said. It was not so clear to me but did not feel so important then as the carfax was clean. Carfax says "Registered as personal lease vehicle Loan or lien reported" so there was a buyer on loan/lease and not used as courtesy car. Excuse me for my lack of knowledge.
As far as any issues, he said if there were any, the CPO certifies the car and there is the original warranty to take care. Dont know if I should go out asking if they found any issues during certification process. Reading through the points you brought up, now I feel I should have dug more.
Thanks a lot!!
If you want the handling - pay a little extra for the sports package. with a lower front end, paddle shifters and upgraded seats, its clearly worth an additional $700 if you like nice handling.
A similarly equipped BMW would cost another $6k when you start adding the options. In my case, I was able to get one of the first cars available and not only is it beautiful, but to negotiate invoice pricing was great.
I have seen many saying they don't like the new lights, but personally, I like them more because they are a little cleaner looking and it lets you know that the car has been refreshed from 2009.
I will say, it would have been sweet if they had added another 20 HP, but I prefer the performance combination of the Quattro and the current engine over the new BMW 4-cyl for sure.
I am considering buying a 2009 CPO A4 from a dealership. It is the premium (base) model and FWD (not quattro).
The car has 35000 miles on it.
Dealer is quoting 27000+taxes = $30000. Is this a good deal to get into for a CPO car?
I am not great at numbers. If someone could help me out with this, it would be so great!!
Thanks in advance..
Sales tax in Bellevue/Seattle is 9.8%
I test drove 2012 yesterday, with similar MSRP $44K with the nav, b&o sound, Sline.. very nice... I just started looking at the A4 so 2012-2013 almost looks the same to me, sales guy right away offering $2600 off , at this point its better to go for the 2013, I am interested to know if you tried offering $38-39K on your deal...