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Hyundai Elantra Maintenance and Repair

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  • clawrence1984clawrence1984 Member Posts: 3
    Recently out speedometer stopped working and our car revs high going up hills. Can any one tell me WHERE to look!?!? :mad:
  • kentavos22kentavos22 Member Posts: 13
    Probably two different issues, unless you're using cruise control to go up the hills.
    Is your car a manual or automatic?
  • humanimagehumanimage Member Posts: 1
    I have a 02 Hyundi Elentra with 83k

    The engine light came on yesterday
    Any ideas ??
  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    Tighten your gas cap; a loose cap leads to a non-pressurized tank and can cause the check engine light to come on as it thinks the emissions system has somehow failed. If it doesn't go away after a couple of days (it won't go away immediately), go to Autozone or another shop that reads the engine's trouble codes for free/cheap. The trouble code will provide more info about what's happening.
    2017 Infiniti QX60 (me), 2012 Hyundai Elantra (wife)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Another common cause for this is a failed O2 sensor; a computer scan would detect that.
  • biikman1biikman1 Member Posts: 1
    While attempting (badly) to change the passenger side headlight bulb, the clip that holds it in place came off, and apparently the tab holding it in broke. Am I now faced with having to replace the entire assembly in order to have a functioning headlight? (or can I duct tape it in lol). :sick:

    thanks
    dave
  • rich081079rich081079 Member Posts: 1
    my headlight are not even! one is close and looking down and the other is far and looking up. how can i fix it?
  • clawrence1984clawrence1984 Member Posts: 3
    park infront of a garage, turn on your headlights and adjust em that way. its the best way to make sure that they are even
  • clawrence1984clawrence1984 Member Posts: 3
    no cruise control. its a manual. :sick:
  • khabrikhabri Member Posts: 3
    anyone have a rough estimate how much a 7500 mi servicing would cost at a hyundai dealership?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    There's a lot of variation there. For example, some dealers don't charge for oil changes for people who buy the car there (mine does that). Others charge for extra services that are not called for under the manufacturer's service schedule (mine tries to do that too). So what I recommend you do is look in your owner's manual for what services are required at 7500 miles--shouldn't be much more than oil/filter change, some inspections, and tire rotation if you want to do that (tire rotation is not required by Hyundai), and then call the service department of your local dealer and see what they charge, and ask what it covers. If you have more than one dealer near you, it might pay to check prices at each of them. You can also have the servicing done anyplace you choose, but be sure to use OEM-spec parts including the oil and oil filter
  • tjames66tjames66 Member Posts: 1
    Hello everyone first post here, My daughter has a 2001 Elantra with no heat. The blower is working fine, No leaks anywhere, I've replaced the Thermostat a few months ago. I just sat in it for 10 minutes with the engine running and it just blew cold air. I popped the hood and felt all the radiator hoses, there was one coming out of where the thermostat is located and it was cold while the other two were very hot. I noticed a sensor in the thermostat housing, Does anyone know what this is? Any advice would be appreciated.

    Thanks
  • bad_clutchbad_clutch Member Posts: 3
    I have a 2003 Elantra with a manual tranny. The original clutch lasted about 85K miles. The second clutch lasted 4 days. The third clutch lasted a month. If I had read this the first thing I would think is that the mechanic doesn't know what he is doing. You will have to trust me on this, but that is not the case. If it runs he is licensed and certified to repair it, he has his own business, and has been recruited to teach Mechanics classes at a major university. When he replaced the first clutch, the first thing he told me was, "That is a bad design". When the second clutch went out he warranteed his work and the parts guy warranteed the clutch, but they both told me they did not believe that the replacement part was at fault. So I began an internet search and what I am finding is not pretty. I have found countless stories like mine, a law firm that is contemplating a class action, etc. Don't believe me, just Google Hyundai clutch problems and start reading. Nobody seems to have a solution though. A couple websites recommend removing the fluid flow restrictor in the slave cylinder that is there presumably for people that don't know how to drive manuals to shift smoother. However it allows clutch slippage every time you shift by restricting the flow of fluid out of the slave cylinder. However, I do not believe that this in itself is the problem. I should say that in all cases when the clutch failed it was it the wear pad that just disintegrated.

    So I am wondering if anyone reading this may have any additional insight into what is going on with Hyundai clutches?
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Well, if the first one lasted 85k miles, then I'd say it's not the design that's at fault. Nor is it the driver. So that leaves either the replacement parts, or the guy who replaced them. It may be that there's some oddity in the design that Hyundai service departments know about but your otherwise well-trained mechanic doesn't. Try using www.alldata.com to find out if there's been a TSB (technical service bulletin) on the subject.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    I have to agree with the above post. Most of the clutch problems in Hyundai were related to the Tiburon, not the Elantra. If the original clutch lasted 85K, and the others are not lasting weeks, either something is being installed wrong, or the parts being used are incorrect for the application. All manufacturers will occasionally make a design change during a production run. A clutch change would be unusual, but not impossible.

    Just this weekend I did a brake job on a car where three different wheel cylinders were used in the same model year. So, it could be that the parts you are getting are not correct for your specific Elantra. If the first one went 85K, there is not a design problem.
  • kentavos22kentavos22 Member Posts: 13
    1. Why didn't you take it to a dealer? Should have still been covered by the warranty, I think.

    2. Did he replace the clutch plate and the flywheel? Did he inspect the flywheel for damage?

    I have trouble believing that a bad design allowed for a clutch to go 85k miles and then suddenly only a month or a couple of days. Something changed on your car that is causing you not to get another 85k. There are two possibilities as I see it.

    1. After 85k, something wore out causing your clutch to wear out. It's something the mechanic hasn't recognized as causing the problem and still needs replaced or fixed. It's causing your clutch to burn out prematurely.

    2. After 85k your clutch wore out (seems premature to me, but I'm not an expert) and your mechanic did a bad install or had a bad part.

    Since you trust your mechanic, then I would guess it's option #1. Which means I would take it to the dealer. There could be something that is specific to Hyundais and the mechanic just doesn't know about it.

    BTW, I have a 2002 Elantra and replaced the clutch and flywheel at 130k or so. I had the dealer do the work. It was costly, but I haven't had any issues since.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I checked all the TSBs for this model and year and found no mention of any clutch issues.

    I'll throw my hat into the ring here and say that the failure of the clutch is just not knowing the proper way to install it OR sourcing defective parts.
  • bad_clutchbad_clutch Member Posts: 3
    Thanks for the replies. However, I have to say that if you are not Hyundai service managers you could be, :-) they were almost verbatum as to what the service manager told me. That or there is a lot of kool aid being passed around. There seems to be some mis-information as well. One reply asked why wan't it covered under warranty. Hyundai only warranties their clutches for 12K miles. Yes on a 100K mile warranty only 12k on the clutch. And as I said before one only needs to Google and you can find countless hours of reading with the same story repeated over and over. The first clutch lasted a little while, then the second, third and so on went out relativley quickly with many of these being dealer serviced. Are all Hyundai clutches bad; no or there would be many more class actions, but where there appears to be as much smoke as I am finding something is going on. I even located an independent review of the 2004 Elantra where it said that at 2K miles they were already experiencing clutch issues and that the clutch was "most likely under designed".
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Thanks for the replies. However, I have to say that if you are not Hyundai service managers you could be, they were almost verbatum as to what the service manager told me. That or there is a lot of kool aid being passed around.

    Actually, bad_clutch, the reason that I said what I did is that (a) I'm trained as a mechanical engineer, (b) I have a lot of experience working in auto restoration with British and German cars, both of which have certain characteristics that only a specialist would be familiar with, and (c) I've also had otherwise very qualified mechanics thoroughly screw up two Mercedes and a BMW because they weren't familiar with the torque specs for certain critical fasteners. The last time it happened, it cost me $600 to undo the damage.

    Another point: if the clutch is so poorly designed, why did the first one last 85k? Depending on driving conditions, that sounds about right to me, especially if there's a significant amount of stop-and-go driving in hilly surroundings. The original clutch on my '99 Civic is starting to go after 139k, which I figure is excellent, but it's had mostly highway miles. My '97 Civic's clutch was showing significant wear before 60k, mostly in town.

    You'll find that almost any vehicle warranty will exclude "wear items," whose longevity is extremely dependent on the conditions of operation and the skill of the operator. Brake pads are one example of such wear items--clutches are another. Hyundai isn't unique here. Manufacturers differ as to what's considered a wear item.

    So the real question is, assuming that the replacement parts were made by the same people, why didn't they last? Here again, there are some possible issues--were the parts the correct ones? Were they third-party aftermarket, or factory parts? And is there something about their installation that is different from that on other vehicles--something your mechanic may have missed?

    Now, did you actually want help, or were you just baiting those of us who took the time to try to answer your question?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That's not really fair, bad clutch, with all due respect. Some of our members here know a lot about cars, and we did pour through the TSBs for you, line by line, looking for evidence. It's not like we are pulling things out of thin air.

    Some car companies won't warranty a clutch PERIOD. It's quite common to see "clutch" specifically excluded. Check out the Chrysler "Lifetime" warranty and see what it says about clutches.

    Don't know for sure, but so far I'm not inclined to condemn Hyundai.

    With more or different evidence I might change my mind.

    Why not give Hyundai a shot at putting in a clutch. If it holds up, you have your answer, and if it doesn't, you can harass Hyundai to warranty their repair work. Yeah, it costs more but at this point why keep doing the same thing that isn't working for you?

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Why not give Hyundai a shot at putting in a clutch. If it holds up, you have your answer, and if it doesn't, you can harass Hyundai to warranty their repair work.

    An excellent suggestion. I had a bad experience with a Honda carburetor being "rebuilt" by an independent mechanic who wasn't familiar with Honda's very odd design (a three-barrel Keihin carb that combined the worst features of a conventional carb and the worst features of an SU type) back in the early '80s. If I had gone to a dealership, I would have had more leverage when the problem recurred.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Member Posts: 1,601
    If I had gone to a dealership, I would have had more leverage when the problem recurred.

    Or, stephen, the problem may have never recurred. :)
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Or, stephen, the problem may have never recurred

    Fair enough. In any event, the point stands. I hope bad_clutch finds a solution, but I'm done trying to help. There's no point--his mind's made up already.

    Over and out.
  • fushigifushigi Member Posts: 1,459
    I'd add that every dealer I've ever used has warranted their repairs for at least 1 year or 12K miles, so if the clutch problem is indeed recurring so often, further repairs would be covered. As an example, my wife's '01 Elantra had the rear defrost switch go, it was replaced by a dealer. 10 months later it went again and was replaced free/under warranty.
    2017 Infiniti QX60 (me), 2012 Hyundai Elantra (wife)
  • GuitarGuyGuitarGuy Member Posts: 5
    I'm a new member ... what a great forum! My issue is that the passenger side headlights lights, both hi and lo beam (but not the running lights) have stopped working on my '02 Elantra - the drivers side works fine. I reviewed the thread from Nov. 2007 (#2892 +/-) and have checked all fuses that seemed appropriate in both the engine compartment fuse block and the interior one under the ashtray. When checking voltage on the lo beam socket, I get a reading of 5.6v, not the 12.1v that I would have expected and I measured directly off the battery. I've yet to pursue the defective relay angle. This "one-sided" issue strikes me as really weird (tho I don't claim by any means to be an auto mechanic). Both "jlflemmons" and "doohickie" have offered some great help on similar issues (tho the link to the electrical diagram is no longer functional, at least on my computer) and I do appreciate the link to Hyundai WebTech, doohickie, should I need to use it to resolve this. Any assistance in nailing this issue down would be most appreciated.

    Jim
  • GuitarGuyGuitarGuy Member Posts: 5
    I own a '02 Hyundai Elantra with about 120,000 miles on it. I keep reading the recommendation to replace the timing belt at 60K miles? What's with that? I'm 52 and have only had one car in my life time that needed it's timing belt replaced (and I've pushed a bunch of cars to 150,000 miles and beyond.) Is there some rationale out there?? Is Hyundai known for notoriously poor timing belts that break prematurely or what? I must have been lucky so far! That's got to be a repair of $500 or more ... ouch! Jim
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Member Posts: 1,601
    Timing belts on all cars can wear out. Some cars are returning to timing chains.

    A friend's son has an Audi and he is looking at $3800 +/- because his timing belt broke.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Yes, you have been lucky so far. If the belt breaks, the engine is toast. So you can continue to count on Lady Luck, or get the belt replaced because if it breaks and you are looking at a repair that will cost far more than $500 (although you can probably find a shop that will do the job for less). Up to you.

    BTW, Hyundai is not the only manufacturer that recommends replacing rubber timing belts at 60k miles.
  • bad_clutchbad_clutch Member Posts: 3
    To restate the issue, your Hyundai clutch fails, you have it replaced and the new clutch fails soon after, and repeat. Don't feel bad you are in company with many, many others. If you do a little Googling you will find this info in several places, but here is one of them.

    http://www.velocide.com/clutch-mod.php

    Do as it says, remove the restrictor plate and through it just as far as you can. My mechanic talked to both a local import specialist and the clutch tech at the local Hyundai dealer. As soon as he said clutch problem both of then told him to do exactly this before he even asked about it. So the dealers must know of this issue but it is doubtful they would tell you about it if you did ask. They will tell you that you were hard on the clutch and then replace it, but they probably will not tell you that they completely flushed the hydraulic clutch system to remove whatever particles are in it. My mechanic surmises that whatever it was (I found a TSB from an earlier year warning about a condition that caused a restriction in the hydraulic line from grease used during assembly) worked its way to the restrictor plate where it ultimately lodged. This kept the clutch from completely engaging but not enough slippage so that the engine would rev. And this would occur every time the clutch was let out. He said that when he went to remove the plate something white and mostly round shot out and hit him in the face. Unfortunately he couldn't find whatever it was. My money is on whatever they used on the threads of the hydraulic line fittings. Also after removing the plate the clutch became much more positive and felt like a real clutch. Prior to removing the plate every time you tried taking off in 1st gear the clutch would chatter so bad that the entire car would shake. He did not even have to replace clutch #3, just removed the plate, no more chatter or shaking.

    Last but not least I will stand by my assertion of poor design. Anytime you attempt to take control of clutch engagement away from the operator it's a bad idea. If you can't shift a standard get an automatic.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Member Posts: 1,601
    I think it all points to yor mechanic not knowing what to do on this particular model of car for this particular service work.

    He can be an excellent mechanic but still do something incorrectly when performing work on something he is not familiar with.
  • albo2325albo2325 Member Posts: 1
    This morning one of the heating fans on the passenger side of the car starting clicking. Sounded like it was right behind the glove box. It didnt click until I was driving aobut 10 minutes. My first thought is to tear into it to see what could be wrong. Any experience on how to get to the fan or possible reasons for the clicking?

    Allan
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    Could be something fell into the vents and got into the blower.
  • inharmswayinharmsway Member Posts: 153
    The lights by the heater, blower and air direction setting knobs do not work anymore. Any advise?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    If fuse is good, likely it's the light itself. In that case, hopefully the car has some of the bumper-to-bumper warranty left, or you might need to do your own minor surgery on the center console panel or pay someone else to do it.
  • inharmswayinharmsway Member Posts: 153
    Thanks, I will try the fuse first. No more warranty left.
  • sanibelgirlsanibelgirl Member Posts: 1
    Hello,
    Have you had any success here? I have an 03 Elantra and have had it in the shop 3 times. They changed timing belt preventively, changed damaged water pump and thermostat. Still no heat at idle. Once driving, very warm and up to temp. Mechanics scratching their head and don't know what else to do...
    thanks!
  • travsfocustravsfocus Member Posts: 2
    ok here it is. the tranny was stuck in 3rd and i had it looked at, i was told something was broke so i had it rebuilt. i installed it and it is shifting hard and wont down shift. anyway i was wondering if a 2000 elantra tranny would work because i found one with only 52,000 miles on it. do i need to swap the computer also? if you can help i would appreciate it.Thanx
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Did you do the rebuild, or someone else? If someone else, did the shop that rebuilt the tranny give you any kind of warranty on their work? Usually there is some kind of guarantee, even if only 30 days (dealers typically warrant their repair work for 1 year/12k miles).

    1999 and 2000 Elantras were the same car, no changes, so the 2000 tranny should work, but you could confirm that with a call to your local Hyundai dealer's service department.

    I also found this note that might be of interest:

    Transmission problems: If transmission sticks in 3rd, shifts poorly, or has harsh 1-2 shift, the pulse generator may need to be replaced. (1996-2000)
    http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1996-to-2000-hyundai-elantra-6.htm
  • PatMatHatPatMatHat Member Posts: 15
    I'm about to buy a 2004 Elantra, with 62,000 miles. However, I'd like to have a mechanic inspect it first. The dealer from whom I'm buying will allow me to take it to a mechanic to have it checked out. Unfortunately, I don't know any Hyundai mechanics!

    Can anybody recommend a good shop/mechanic who could inspect the Elantra and do a good job of it to uncover any possible problems? I'm in the Los Angeles area (West Side, but will travel anywhere within LA county). If the place is open Saturday, that's a big plus! Thank you in advance!

    Also, aren't you supposed to change the timing belt on an Elantra at 60K miles? Since the car has 62K, should I have it done as soon as I buy it? Thanks!
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Most any shop that handles foreign cars should be able to do the check, also any Hyundai (or Kia?) dealer. The timing belt is supposed to be changed at 60k but I think (CA residents check me on this) in CA it's different, a longer change interval as in 105k miles?? However, you will want to verify that the 60k service was done as it's expensive even w/o the timing belt--can be a negotiating point if not done.
  • PatMatHatPatMatHat Member Posts: 15
    Thanks, Backy. I would definitely feel better though, if specifically a Hyundai mechanic looked over the car, than a generic "foreign car" mechanic. An experienced Hyundai mechanic certainly will know the kinds of vulnerabilities too look for specifically in this car, as opposed to "any" car. So... still lookin' for those recommendations!
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    So... why not just take the car to a Hyundai mechanic at a Hyundai dealer? :confuse:
  • PatMatHatPatMatHat Member Posts: 15
    If you look through the various threads all over the web, they are full of horror stories about Hyundai dealers and their service. So, *just* being a Hyundai mechanic at a dealer is definitely not qualification enough for this task. Just as *just* being a foreign car (or indeed any kind of car) mechanic is *by itself* not qualification enough. That was indeed the whole point of my asking for recommendations for a good Hyundai mechanic. Otherwise, indeed, I can go to a random dealer or random "foreign car" mechanic - which is no better than flipping a coin. So, that's the context of my query: it needs 3 conditions to be fulfilled simultaneously (1) good mechanic (2) Hyundai mechanic, and (3) located in the Los Angeles area.

    I hope the logic behind my requirements and plea for recommendations is obvious :)

    And what better place to ask for recommendations for good Hyundai mechanics than the largest message board dedicated to Hyundai cars? Logical, or not? It seems a lot of users, and some at least must be satisfied with their dedicated mechanic in one of the largest metropolitan areas on the planet :) Am I making sense, or does my approach seem bizarre and incomprehensible?

    Thanks in advance, and again, thank you Backy for your input! Still looking for recommendations!
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    You may not be aware that there are different classifications of service techs at Hyundai dealers. Some dealers have "master" techs, who earn that distinction by demonstrating their skills to certain criterion. So one logical approach is to check with the Hyundai dealers located in the Los Angeles area to see which ones have master Hyundai mechanics. They might be good enough for what you need, which is someone to inspect a car you want to purchase.

    I am satisfied with the Hyundai mechanics at my local Hyundai dealer, but that is about 2000 miles by car from L.A. so that won't help you.

    Unfortunately, Hyundais are not that popular in SoCal, so it could be difficult finding an expert Hyundai mechanic outside of a Hyundai dealership. If it were me, I'd be more concerned about how good a mechanic he/she is vs. whether they are a "Hyundai" mechanic or not. Case in point: I took my old 626 into a local mechanic awhile back because of a noise in the rear end; shop was recommended to me by a friend. The shop doesn't specialize in Mazdas or even in foreign cars. The mechanic (who admitted he didn't know Mazdas that well) pinpointed the problem quickly and accurately. Earlier, a dedicated "Mazda mechanic" had given me an incorrect diagnosis.

    Good luck in your search for a good Hyundai not-at-a-dealer mechanic in L.A.
  • PatMatHatPatMatHat Member Posts: 15
    Thank you Backy, very informative. I have learned something - indeed, I had no idea about "master" mechanics as a special certification. Interesting.

    Again, I'm not bent on avoiding dealer mechanics, I just want a good Hyundai mechanic in the Los Angeles area - dealer or not, independent or not, etc.

    This however, gives me some ideas - perhaps I can call around the various Hyundai dealers - maybe here in Korea Town - and asking if they have "master mechanics", and then just taking a chance on one... since it sadly seems no specific recommendations will be forthcoming on this board at this time :(

    Quite a bizarre situation, lol! I was sure that this would be a breeze and recommendations would be pouring in, given how big a subject "good mechanics" are, and how large LA is. Guess not! Live and learn. It looks like it'll be an adventure, ha, ha! Nothing's been easy with this car purchase. Hmm. Perhaps a Toyota is a safer choice after all... there's got to be a reason for everything, including popularity - I mean, if you can't even get mechanic recommendations for your brand of car, perhaps that's a warning signal of things to come and a very solid reason why Toyotas are so popular?
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Why would you need a mechanic recommendation for a Toyota? They never need fixing or repairing, do they? ;)
  • schukanuosladyschukanuoslady Member Posts: 118
    "Why would you need a mechanic recommendation for a Toyota? They never need fixing or repairing, do they?"

    Hahahah Backy...thats a good one. They don't need repairing. They just get taken off the road and junked for safety purposes. Thats why I went with Hyundai. And bought my Elantra.

    A better vehicle and from what I have read I won't have to worry about 10 yrs from now losing my vehicle to the Car Maker in a buyout to scrap my vehicle liike what happened to me this summer. :blush:
  • PatMatHatPatMatHat Member Posts: 15
    To be fair, numbers don't lie. Take the Corolla versus the Elantra (about equivalent class of vehicles). There is no doubt that both initial quality ratings as well as long term reliability show Corolla to be a clear winner. Take the 2004 year Elantra I'm looking to buy - here are the sorry numbers on that car:

    http://www.edmunds.com/used/2004/hyundai/elantra/100342729/ratings_jdpower.html

    And here are the numbers on the 2004 Corolla:

    http://www.edmunds.com/used/2004/toyota/corolla/100282812/ratings_jdpower.html

    Now, if what is important to you is "long term dependability" - and if buying used, this is the most important statistic, then the Corolla blows the Elantra out of the water. It's not even close.

    I've always owned Toyotas and Hondas. The only reason I'm even considering an Elantra is that my wife needs a second car, and we took a cross country trip in 2007 in a new Elantra 2007 (rented) and we LOVED that car - absolutely LOVED it. We drove 4000 miles and it took us 3 weeks with frequent stops for sightseeing. The Elantra was fantastic - the ergonomics, the performance, the thoughtful design and bulletproof reliability. So, that lead me to even look at Hyundais in the first place. That's why I'm thinking of buying this Elantra.

    Anyhow, with such relatively poor reliability (though much better than a Nissan!), it is much more important for there to be plenty of good Hyundai mechanics, rather than Toyota which is much more reliable. Instead, the opposite is the case seemingly. Oh well.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I think you should buy a Corolla then.

    FWIW, I own a 2004 Elantra and the worst problem it's had in nearly five years is I had to replace each low-beam bulb once--under warranty of course.
  • PatMatHatPatMatHat Member Posts: 15
    The problem with buying a used Corolla is that they are way overpriced for the reliability advantage they do offer. Yes, they are better, but not 30% better - so the price is not worth it (used Hondas are the worst in this respect - insanely overpriced). The opposite is true of the Elantra - it is underpriced for the value. That is one reason I'm looking at the Elantra - excellent value. The other reason is that I like the ergonomics better than the Corolla.

    As to anecdotes - yes, of course, you'll always find someone whose experience is this that or the other. Heck, I'm sure there are super-happy Yugo and Pinto owners. That's why we go by statistical studies - because they are more valid than anecdotes. That said, I'm glad you're happy with your Elantra, and if I buy one, I hope to have a good experience too. And I don't think I'm asking too much to want to have it checked by a *good* *Hyundai* mechanic in my area - before I buy. Gee, I'd think it's a sensible and modest wish.
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