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And the reason i skipped Suresky is because they're WAY out of my way. I live in Beacon and work just outside of White Plains. :shades: I wasn't even willing to go to Kia of New Windsor more than once. I stay on this side of the river for the most part, 84 to 684.
Verbal offer backy? Stand on it? Hmmm...I can't count the number of times a dealer has "said" something during negotiations that later turned out to be a slight exaggeration and was therefore null and void. Wasn't worth my time to throw a tizzy when it happened. Just a live and learn, I will NOT return kinda thing.
MSRP: $17,795 (destination incl $695.00)
Invoice: $17,180
Price: $15,950
8% tax:$1276.00
DMV+inspection: $130.50
Doc fee: $45
Total: $17,401.50
-cash rebate $2,000
Out-the-Door Total: $15,401.50
My 99 Pontiac Grand Am didn't qualify for the clunker rebate. I thought this was a great deal. I'm in western NY and it was the best price i could get in 3 cities. Last month the TMV was around 15,800 for this car (not including rebates); now it's $16,660! Looks like the market value shot up for the Elantra's. Plus I think Hyundai made a killing with sales in July, especially due to the clunker rebates.
Hyundai Elantra = value for the dollar. Sales figures don't lie.
I have been quoted the following for a new '09 Elantra GLS A/T with the Popular Equip Package (nothing else -- no mats, etc.). Got them to a starting price of $16,610 (something like invoice minus $500) - $2k rebate - $4.5k (CARS) + $228 TTL =
OTD price of $10,328.
I'm thinking this is a very solid deal. (Would have actually been driving it right now, but realized was missing some of the insurance paperwork to prove it's been insured for the past-year). Dealer said to come in tomorrow AM and wrap things up.
Just want to run this by folks and confirm it's a solid deal.
Thoughts?
If you can, visit or call several other dealerships in your area and see if they'll beat that price. If they won't, you can feel comfortable taking that deal. The immense popularity of cash for clunkers has greatly driven up recent auto sales. This may mean that those $1000+ below invoice deals are a thing of the past now that demand is higher and the dealers aren't finding it necessary to give those hefty discounts to generate sales.
It comes with floor mats. Anyone know if the Cargo cover was included. We saw it on the showroom model and a few other ones in the parking lot but it is listed as an accessory. We pick it up on Monday! First time Hyundai owner, I've had a Mazda Protege for 9 years now. This is about the same amount of car for 2 grand less! Only thing extras the Protege has are mags and a sunroof.
I did attempt to solicit some quotes from other dealers in the area, but with little success. (They don't like to communicate via e-mail... I thought that was the whole idea behind an "Internet" sales department.)
Thanks again
An update to my adventure...
I was offered the $10,328 OTD w/o floor mats for the '09 GLS A/T with Popular Equip Package.
After taking another poster's suggestion, I ended up $9,999 OTD w/ floor mats for an '09 GLS A/T with Popular Equip Package. The deal was thru Dan Burke at Ray Reece Hyundai in Portland OR. The experience with Dan was the *best* car buying experience I EVER had. The only con I would have to say about the whole thing is he was tough to get a hold of (I heard him on the phone say he has 10 folks in front of the guy that wanted to buy from him)... But he (thankfully) responded to my e-mail stating I was buying this morning and we went from there.
Is this a "good" price? I thought so. One dealer wouldn't touch the $10,3xx, another dealer simply never responded, and the dealer who offered the $10,3xx was going below what they would for the Costco program (not sure if that's really all it's cracked up to be or not) and didn't respond with a counter-offer.
All-in-all, I felt great about the purchase. It was the best price I could get, and I bought from someone who I would *truly* recommend.
Agreed price was $16,250 (GLS with 02/AB pkg - i.e. no sunroof) plus mats and mudgards.
Invoice on same was $17,136 per Edmunds.
$16250.00 (Agreed price = $303.00 less than Edmunds TMV price)
+ 499.17 (VA State Taxes)
+ 389.00 (Processing fee)
+ 44.50 (Titling etc.)
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$17,192.67 subtotal
- 2,000.00 (Rebate)
- 4,500.00 (C4C)
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$10,692.67 OTD
Could I have done better? Probably "yes" the previous day. The end price represents taking all but about $100 of their hold back and I've yet to see anyone budge on the "processing fee". So, overall I'm happy enough with the deal considering, and am awaiting the card for the $1.49 gas club (which the dealer neglected to mention) BTW - if you do a C4C - don't forget that the dealer is supposed to offer you cash for the scrap value of the vehicle I believe...
- 2,000.00 (Rebate)
Could I have done better? Probably "yes" the previous day. The end price represents taking all but about $100 of their hold back and I've yet to see anyone budge on the "processing fee". So, overall I'm happy enough with the deal considering, and am awaiting the card for the $1.49 gas club (which the dealer neglected to mention)
It's my understanding (reading from Hyundai's website), that it's either a $2,000 rebate, or a $500 rebate + the $1.49 gas program -- not both. On the basis that you got a $2,000 rebate, sorry, but I don't think you're going to get the $1.49 gas.
Please let me know if I am wrong, and best of luck.
Dressed or otherwise - it is all the info I could think to post so that others can use it either to see what to NOT do, or TO do.
If that doesn't meet with your approval - then it doesn't, and I'm sorry but I can't help you further...
Not sure what vaughanster's trip is, but would have been nice if he/she had a more thorough comment as opposed to just being a #!%$ about it.
Again just FYI purposes - Edmunds doesn't mention the dealer hold back amount - but Consumer Reports does - it's $294.00 So, you should be looking at subtracting that from the Edmunds invoice amount to get a better idea of what the dealer actually paid, and from the TMV figure for your area to get a better bottom line idea.
BTW - why was it the last one in that trim/option line on the lot? It was BLACK in color - who really wants that in the middle of the summer - not to mention trying to keep it looking clean? If I'd made my deal the day before - I'd have selected silver and probably bargained harder...
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Not to be nit picking but OTD (out the door) price should NOT include tax & license. This only confuses the math when someone is wanting to see what you paid for the car. ie. your negotiated price has nothing to do with what your state is going to charge ya....unless you know the gov. really well.
i recently flew from louisiana to kentucky to buy a car for my daughter simple because i was able to save an extra $2k (after flight and hotel expenses) over my best deal at home. The best advise i can give is get the online Consumer Report print-out for the car you want BEFORE you even think about making your offer. With that info in-hand, plus what you read on this forum, you will know the cheapest price. "Knowledge is power" in the car-buying game. The report is called Consumer Report.org "New Car Price Service Report". GURGLE IT. It will give you a complete breakdown of all options and invoice price on each option, and also gives you lots of tips on negotiating. The one I liked, and used to buy my daughther's Acura, was e mailing dealers with an offer. I did this after I got nowhere with my 3 in-state dealers. I sent out 5 offers and got 4 counter offers and 1 in KY that accepted my offer to the letter!. No doc fees, no tire fees, no BS. Got it for a few hundred under invoice price plus discounts of about $3100 in Dealer Incentive and Dealer Holdback. Got to see Louisville and enjoyed the ride home. Point is, do your homework first.... shop hard....be firm but nice....have fun doing it.
If elantra turns out to be the winner, i will be back. Only thing i am concerned with is that supply may be low.....which will make it much harder to negotiate. (Has anyone heard this) I may have to have backup cars to look at. BTW....I am going to look at Corrola, Jeep Patriot, Nisan Sentra, Mazda3, Nissan Versa.
Cheers!
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/strategies/articles/102525/article.html
If you show what the TT&L fees are - you're providing the most comprehensive price you can. For instance, in VA there is a "Dealer Processing Fee", but in MD they don't charge one (at least not under that name - and certainly not in that high an amount) which is why a lot of folks from Northern VA will often travel to MD to buy - it can make a few hundred dollars difference. Additionally, the "processing fee" within the state of VA can differ (a little) depending on geographic location which is useful for buyers in that state. Also, including ALL charges encountered in the cost breakout will show what can be expected in charges over and above a "best deal" in case you (or someone else) overlooked something when budgeting for the new vehicle.
Perhaps we could call the pre-TT&L fees figure the "negotiated price", or "sale price".
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
It's a $1000 rebate plus the gas deal--OR a $2000 rebate. NOT BOTH a $2000 rebate and the gas deal. The Hyundai web page lays that out pretty clearly, with the $1000 + gas deal prominently displayed, and the ** footnote that explains you can add $1000 to the rebate rather than take the gas money.
Here is my final price.
$17,765 with invoice of $17,294, sale price 13,898, 959.88 sales tax(6%), $237 tag & title, $100 processing fee, final OTD $15,194.88. -4500 ctc, 10694.88.
So bad do not they let me to finance to get the 400 student rebate, because my driver license is in OH.
I was offered 10.2kOTD for a manual via email. I was driving down there to buy at that price as no other dealers would come close. My local want 10.7 for the same car and wouldn't budge a cent,
So off I went. On my trip I pass another Hyundai dealership so I whip out the blackberry, look up the number, and call them. It is out of manuals but can d an auto at 10.4k, very good deal by any means. $200 for an auto, yeah I'll go for that. Best deal I have heard yet by a long shot. That was all over the phone.
(keep in mind these dealerships are less than ten miles apart so its not like a hour drive between them so they have a lot of interest to keep you from leaving the lot)
So I met with my contact and started looking at cars and told him the price they offered me, and then he did a double take. He hated to but said they would. Then I ask if he has any 5-speeds? He does, one, and it just happened to be in the color I wanted, carbon grey. Then a asked him about how much less money it would be to which he said it was $1000 option. For the time being I just left that alone and took it for a test drive. The streering was a bit heavy but had good power and handled well. The clucth and tranny will take some getting used to though. They work fine, just what I am used to is drastically different.
We get back from the test drive and start swapping clunker paperwork and other stuff to get it verified. We finally got to price and I only spoke in OTD prices. First number he brung was $98500 plus tax,tags, title, and dealer fee. I told him I would take it at that price OTD. He groaned and said give me a minute. He left and came back with $9713.90OTD. Over a hundred less than what I offered, SOLD!
Here is the breakdown as I can decypher it from the paperwork.
Total MSRP $16,765.00
Final selling price $15234
tax $322.02(paid yearly based in vehicle value, I miss OH's pay full value and be down with it)
C4C $4500
Manufactures Rebate $2,000
Finale Vehicle Price $9056.02
Dealer Admin Fee $588.88
Tags $69.00
Final Price OTD $9713.90
Could I have done better? No. No other dealer with 100 miles would come close to this. I wore out my email account getting offers. The closest I got to this was $800 more. If I would have went in I would have got close but not this good. I am one happy camper. :shades:
It ended up being $12,851.99 OTD w/ $4500 Cash for Clunkers.
Really happy with it so far
The driver's seat on the Touring isn't actually that fancy. I could see dumping the fogs. Maybe ditch the steering wheel controls too. Without the wrapping that tiller is going to be awfully skinny though.
Maybe they'll start rolling out the 5-speed auto on the SE. That would be a serious differentiation. It would also make me REALLY annoyed that I was stuck without wheels and had to get the 09....
The Touring's driver's seat has an adjustable lumbar support, which is not available on the Elantra sedan (not since 2006 MY anyway). That's why I called it "fancy." IMO the Elantra's driver's seat has taken big steps backwards since 2006, when even on the base sedan it had lumbar adjustment and two (count 'em) height adjusters, which allowed much more control over seating position than the current seat.
I think the entire Elantra lineup needs the 5AT, which is becoming more common on competitors, including the Kia Forte. Also all the Elantras need the modern all-aluminum engines ala the Forte. One thought is to make the 2.4L available on the SE, and the up-level Touring, with the 2.0L on the GLS and maybe the base Touring. That would add serious power compared to the Beta II. Even the new 2.0L has over 150 hp.
Ill agree with the 5AT, but make that 2.4L an option, not a standard feature of the trim. Personally I think 2L is plenty, and I don't want to take the MPG hit.
So depending on driving style and pattern, and the drivetrain, it could be anywhere from a 2 mpg to 5 mpg difference between the 2.0 and 2.4, or around 10-20%. While you get more power with the 2.4L, the current Elantra engine is plenty peppy for me, so I expect the new 2.0L with over 150 hp would be just fine power-wise. If I want power, I could get a Sonata V6 or Genesis coupe or something like that.