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Honda CR-V Maintenance and Repair

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  • bshelbshel Posts: 232
    Elissa,
    I do remember someone posting about having the pedal height adjusted. Did you do a search here on all the CR-V boards? It may be under a different category.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,024
    As long as the message is not violating the Member Agreement/Rules of the Road, a member of the Town Hall is welcome to post. Other members have the choice to read and comment/reply, or ignore and move on.

    As for "beating a dead horse", to some the "horse" is very much alive and needs some serious attention. Denying their concerns are valid or of no consequence doesn't help resolve their situation.

    Re: Toyota sludge topic - It's not hidden away. Anyone wishing to review those discussions can do so. Use the Search by Keyword (enter "Toyota Sludge") to find them.

    That's all I'm going to say within the topic. If you have any questions/comments, please address them to me in an email.

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  • refereeguyrefereeguy Posts: 20
    All I am saying regarding the "dead horse" is that what else could be said about the topic?

    Until some new "news" becomes available it is hard to believe anything else could be said about the topic that wouldn't be re-hash.

    I will leave it at that.
  • tntitantntitan Posts: 306
    I don't consider automatic carwashes to be safe under any circumstances. I believe they could ruin an antenna in a heartbeat. Many (especially touchless) use harsh chemicals that could weaken your clearcoat finish, many use recycled water that may have contaminants that will abrade your paint, and if it is not a touchless car wash then there is a 100% chance that you will get swirlmarks on your paint.

    Of course I am considered very anal about my car's appearance. You got to to do what you got to do!
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    All I am saying regarding the "dead horse" is that what else could be said about the topic?

    Anything she wants to say. That's the point.

    Until some new "news" becomes available it is hard to believe anything else could be said about the topic that wouldn't be re-hash.

    I'm sure you can't find anything new, but other people might. Let them post what they want. If you don't like it, skip to the next post.

    :)
  • steve999steve999 Posts: 9
    Lady I work with caught on fire on the way home. She just ahd her oil change at the Honda dealer. Brand new 04 CRV EX. They tried to tell her it was ok but she let them know that it wasnt loudly! She got a new one, same color and all.

    You would think of all people Honda techs would know about this issue.
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    You did suggest that she report the fire to the NHTSA, right? :)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,850
    My CRV has been through all kinds of car washes, including the cheap gas station kind.. Probably 30 times or more... No problems with the antenna at all. Though I don't recommend the cheap car washes, the antenna will not be a problem.

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  • my comment to Sabrina requesting her to "keep it up" was intended to encourage her to report the outcome of the trial. This is still very viable and not in anyway a dead horse, sure the comments were getting repetitive, but I appreciate the moderator stepping and and as always our wise racoon to point out that this forum is open for on topic and civil discussion.
    rockycow
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,780
    In your case, there is little doubt in my mind that you do have a pull and not a normal drift.

     

    You owned a 2004 and didn't have the same problem.

     

    Hopefully they will be able to quickly solve this for you.
  • auburn63auburn63 Posts: 1,162
    The main and only problem is that the techs arent doing their job by checking and cleaning the gasket surface for the oil filter which they are suppose to do on all oil changes. If they did their job correctly then the sticky gaskets would be found and corrected therefore no fires..jmo..
  • robmarchrobmarch Posts: 482
    hey guys, long time no see :) The CRV is still performing admirably, and is still using up the Yokohama Avid T4's much more gently than the OEM's. I'm still getting good mileage too :)

    [quote]Also, they were supposed to be contacting Jiffy Lubes, Grease Monkeys, and other retailers. I doubt they receive dealer newsletters. [/quote]

    I can just see it now. "Dear Jiffy Lube. When you change an oil filter, be sure to check for a gasket left behind. Thanks, Honda"
  • icvciicvci Posts: 1,031
    "Dear Jiffy Lube. When you change an oil filter, be sure to check for a gasket left behind. Thanks, Honda"

    And don't forget to look both ways before crossing the road. LOL
  • robmarchrobmarch Posts: 482
    not to make light of the situation too much, of course. Cars catching fire is not a funny situation. it just seems to be a technician problem that should be caught as part of their normal routine.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Maybe the CR-V gaskets are much more prone to stick for some reason. The technicians probably never paid that much attention to whether the gasket came off because it was never an issue before.
  • robmarchrobmarch Posts: 482
    I'm sure that is the case. Especially since it only seems to happen on the first oil change.

    They do stick sometimes, though, and the techs should know to look for the gasket if it doesn't come off with the filter, I think.

    I hear plenty of stories about people getting "double gasketed" though, without fires, probably due to the leaking oil being blown into hot components when driving.
  • So my theory on why only 2003-2004 models were affected in the fire issue...2003-2004 model owners are more likely to take their vehicles to dealers. Of the fire issues I've found information on, the majority happened after dealer oil changes.

    Possibly in an effort to cut every rising costs, Honda may have put increased timing requirments on "entry" level technicians to reduce time spent on each on oil change. Oil change technicians have fast become the inexperienced 16-year-old at the service department who would not otherwise qualify for other service related work.

    I would agree with most that technicians should be taking care to ensure a job is done well and efficiently. However, their managers are ultimately the persons who define the work ethic and should be responsible for inspecting work. But what happens if the filter is faulty, fails or otherwise becomes punctured or leaks?

    A designer that places a main oil outlet above an exhaust manifold (an outlet that sees frequent activity) should not be excusued. Careful oil changes will be required on these models for the life of the car and it only takes one person to forget procedure.

    Concerned CR-V potential owner,

    jp
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    2003-2004 model owners are more likely to take their vehicles to dealers.

    But why haven't there been problems with the 2002 model, which is identical to the 2003-2004 models? In other words, what changed between 2002 and 2003?

    Possibly in an effort to cut every rising costs, Honda may have put increased timing requirments on "entry" level technicians to reduce time spent on each on oil change.

    You're confusing Honda the car manufacturer and Honda dealers. While individual dealerships may (and probably do) put pressure on their employees to work faster, be more productive, and generate more revenue (what company doesn't put some pressure on their employees?), Honda the car manufacturer isn't responsible for that.

    A designer that places a main oil outlet above an exhaust manifold (an outlet that sees frequent activity) should not be excusued.

    In a perfect world I would agree with your statement. But the design process is a balance between utility and function, and often (always?) includes compromises.

    JM2C
  • But why haven't there been problems with the 2002 model, which is identical to the 2003-2004 models? In other words, what changed between 2002 and 2003?

    - As I speculated, most likely 2002 owners, when compared to 2003-04 owners are less inclined to take their vehicles to the dealer. If the belt tightening occurred in the the 2004 model year, that would put the majority of 2002's at Jiffy/Econo/Tune_and_Lube. The fact that the issue was somewhat limited to dealer changes emphasizes that a service procedure change at Honda dealers was made. Also, as this was/is a national problem, and not any one dealer, points to a parent organization. Either that or it's just all one big coincidence.

    In a perfect world I would agree with your statement. But the design process is a balance between utility and function, and often (always?) includes compromises.

    - I suppose. Having worked for/at several Japanese based companies, I've found that Japanese engineers value 3 things: Innovation, quality and withholding opinions that would save face over overriding a more senior engineer's decision.

    As I said it was just a theory. Hopefully I'm not writing the Pelican Brief here...heh.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    No dis-respect intended, but to me your theory makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    <<As I speculated, most likely 2002 owners, when compared to 2003-04 owners are less inclined to take their vehicles to the dealer>>

    What the heck makes you think that?

    <<The fact that the issue was somewhat limited to dealer changes emphasizes that a service procedure change at Honda dealers was made. Also, as this was/is a national problem, and not any one dealer, points to a parent organization>>

    Most Honda dealers, if not all of them, give a free first oil change. Since the reported fires are after the first oil change, that's why most of the fires occurred after a dealer did the work.
  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    I said But why haven't there been problems with the 2002 model, which is identical to the 2003-2004 models? In other words, what changed between 2002 and 2003?

    You replied: As I speculated, most likely 2002 owners, when compared to 2003-04 owners are less inclined to take their vehicles to the dealer.

    Ah. Speculation, the close relative to rumor and wild gueses. What happened at a national level that suddenly owners of new 2002 CR-Vs stopped taking their CR-Vs to dealers for their first oil change? And what happened, again at a national level, that new owners of 2003 CR-Vs took their CR-Vs to the dealers for their first oil changes?

    I grew up in S. California, currently live in the midwest, and spent 4 years living in NY. I can tell you from my own experience that this great nation of ours is not a single, homogenous mass of humanity. Each region has their own attitudes, opinions, and habits. And making such a blanket statement about owners of one year model vs another is wild speculation.

    My point? You have no idea what actually has caused 2003 & 2004 CR-Vs to have a problem and 2002 CR-Vs not to have the same problem. All you're doing is guessing, and it's not even an informed guess.

    JM2C
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,850
    Just for you theracoon..LOL

    If there is more of a problem with '03-'04 than '02s (open to debate, since the number is relatively small), then the most likely answer is that something changed... Since we know the design of the model years is virtually identical, then it points to the filter area.

    It could be (wild speculation alert):

    1) Different filter source
    2) Different gasket used in assembly
    3) Different oil used to lube gasket before installation.
    4) Some kind of different coating/paint on engine where filter attaches (I SAID: wild speculation)

    Any of those impossibly weak explanations would account for why the gaskets stick after the first oil change, but subsequently have no problems. Ever have weatherstripping stick after you re-paint your front door?

    Okay, back to rational rantings now...

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  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    For all we know, there were problems with the 2002 model. They may not have been reported. Therefore they were not investigated. Therefore they didn't make news. And if it ain't in the news, most people assume that it never happened.

    Everybody see the flaw in that assumption?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,850
    That is why I put "open to debate" in the first line.. and started the assumption with the word: IF

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  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    kyfdx, I agree. Something changed between 2002 and 2003 that's causing the fires. Or, as varmint suggests, because of the small number of actual fires that have occured they may just not have been reported for the 2002 model.

    As an interesting note, the NHTSA does have a 2002 report of oil leaking from the filter onto the exhaust, although it apparently didn't cause a fire. It's ODI # 10080892. So it sounds like varmint may be correct.

    The problem I had with ebbgreatdane's posts is he first speculated that Honda forced the dealers to have their techs change the oil faster. A unsupportable statement, since the dealers are independent businesses. His rebuttal was that owners of 2002 CR-Vs decided not to have their first oil changes done at Honda dealers. Again, an unsupportable statement. He's making wild guesses that confuse the issue without contributing to the discussion, IMO.

    Your guesses are at least reasonable; something changed with the filter or the process used in the engine assembly.

    JM2C
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,850
    A lot of mine was wild and unsupportable also.. But, at least grounded in a little logic.. LOL.

    You know it is funny, I've been taking all my Hondas to a local dealership for service, since I bought my '98 CRV from them.. Four different Hondas, even though the '98 was the only one purchased there. The only Honda I still have is an '02 CR-V EX. When all this came up, I was thinking that I was glad that I had a dealer I trusted.

    So, In May, about two weeks after going in for my 30K service, I got new tires and was having some vibration problems.. Had so much trouble, I started considering other causes than just the new tires.. Popped my hood, and the windshield washer container cap was off.. no big deal.. The next day, stopped at the dealer to talk to the service guy.. It was closing time, but he takes it back, makes sure all the tire pressures are the same, etc.. Comes back, and says the air intake pipe between the engine and air filter had never been hooked back up.. Said that could cause a little engine vibration, due to the lack of vacuum.

    So, it looks like they closed up my hood before they finished hooking everything back up... I'm kind of a "stick the key in and drive" guy, but keep all the maintenance up to date. This was sort of a wake-up call.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • theracoontheracoon Posts: 666
    As much as I love the dealer I use for service I had a similar occurance. I had my '99 EX in for it's 60,000 mile service, including having them check the valve clearances. The next time I was under the hood checking fluid levels I noticed that the ground wire to the valve cover hadn't been reconnected. A quick trip back to the dealer, a few minutes while the service writer went back to get a mechanic, and I had a new bolt holding down the ground wire...and a coupon for 15% off my next service.

    :)
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Kyfdx - My last post wasn't meant to be directed at you, specifically. Just in case that wasn't clear.

    I had a oil change retailer forget to replace the oil-filler cap on my CR-V. Oil got splattered all over the engine compartment (could easily have started a fire). Luckily, I could smell it. I replaced the cap, mopped up the spill, and let them know about their mistake.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,850
    I didn't "think" so.. I must be extra sensitive today... already been called a clown on another thread...lol.

    I, like theracoon, really like my dealer and trust them... That is what really surprised me.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    Anyone know where I can get a full description of TSB's for my '99 CRV? Helminc.com has them for $40. I've got a flaky problem with my auto. door locks that is driving me nuts. When I try to unlock them using my remote, I can hear the first click for the driver's door, but the door lock post doesn't pop all the way up. I hit unlock on the remote a second time and all the other doors unlock as expected. Also, no problems unlocking the hatch using the remote. It's only the driver's door that won't unlock.

    Any help would be appreciated before I start taking my door apart. I do have a shop manual but nothing else.
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