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Tom Baker Kansas CIty, MO
Any thoughts as to what might be happening? I'm going to have the dealer look at it Monday afternoon and figured I would ask about it here beforehand to see if anyone else can shed any light on this.
I tried 2 more times later this evening. One of these was just like I wrote above. I also smelled something burning. Anyone has similar experience? Would you please try (several times) to see whether it is just my car or it is a common problem for 2009 Sonata
Of course, after I bought the car and did some research, I've discovered that he was full of it. From what I've read in the manual and online, the timing belt is supposed to be replaced at 60k, and one ignores this at his peril. This probably comes up a lot, but can anyone tell me what a fair price would be to replace the timing belt? How much more to do all of the suggested maintenance? I'm certainly not planning on doing this at a dealer. Obviously, I'll call around and try to find a competent shop and a good price, but is this the kind of work that most good mechanics will be able to do?
Thanks,
J.
We all try to do things to check our cars out. Always push the limit or check the safeties when it's safe to do so. Shifting when the ignition is locked would be a good check. Will the trunk unlatch if I'm stuck inside? Another good check. :P
Question...were you stopped b4 you put it in park? If not, we won't tell. :shades:
Also, all these moving are at flat parking lot (2 different flat parking lots). Not a slope. You may try yours if you have a 2009 Sonata GLS auto.
Don't try this unless you have someone standing outside the vehicle with the key. :surprise:
As to what be normal for a 2009 Sonata (or any car with power brakes) it goes like this, the different brake feel without assist is normal but whether the ability to shift into gear with the key in the accessory position and the engine off is normal is the key question here. Somehow I don't believe it should be possible.
You're saying that your car defied the laws of physics? :confuse:
Anyone knows what the "on" position for?
The situations I had are all inside the parking structures flat ground - wind is not a factor. I can shift to any gear with the key at the "on" position while I stepped on the brake. The results are rolling backward no matter which gear it is at. That's the scary part.
Now, is your car going backwards due to gravity or is the engine running quietly and you're not hearing it. That is possible if the radio is on and your hearing is not 100%. If the engine is not running and the parking lot is absolutely level I can't see how the car could move with any force whatsoever.
Power brakes are harder(in some cars a lot harder) to push without engine power but by law they have to work. Being able to put a car into neutral or even into a gear is usually possible and normal with the key turned to on and the foot on the brake. If put into neutral the car can be manually moved by manpower or gravity. I really don't know if the most cars can be moved manually if put into gear(with an auto tranny) because I just have never tried it but I don't think it should.
Again, if everything you've said is exactly what happened I would take the car into your dealer.
Now, is your car going backwards due to gravity or is the engine running quietly and you're not hearing it. That is possible if the radio is on and your hearing is not 100%. If the engine is not running and the parking lot is absolutely level I can't see how the car could move with any force whatsoever.
My car going backwards after I shift the gear from "P" (because I'd like to get the car out of the parking lot), while the key is at "on" (not after my engine starts).
I will try several times more to see whether I could press harder on the brake padel to make it stop, while the car rolling backwards under the situation I described.
LOL
What I did was to back up my car and get it out of the parking lot. However, the key was just at the "on" position, i.e., the engine was not on. Here were the procedures:
Stepped on the brake, shiftted the gear to "R", released the brake -> the car started to roll back
after a while, stepped on the brake again to shift the gear to "D" to adjust the direction of the car. Gear was at "D". Here it came: the car kept rolling back and brake didn't work.
Some of you think I should take it back to the dealer. What do you suggest I ask the dealer for? Say they test it and the same thing happens. I ask them to change a car (because it is just this particular car has the problem)? Ask for a refund because all Sonata has this problem (design problem)?
Thanks.
What I did was to back up my car and get it out of the parking lot. However, the key was just at the "on" position, i.e., the engine was not on.
Maybe you have a hybrid Sonata.
If it's not running and on flat ground, how could it possibly move from a dead stop? Were you in a bar's parking lot?
It's not running and on flat ground. In my post I said I shifted the gear from a dead stop. BTW, I'm not drunk. I tried this for several times.
You have to be on a hill, or it couldn't move from a dead stop? It's as simple as that.
Also the same thing should happen if you just put it into neutral. I don't think you're drunk, you're tricked by optical illusions of level ground. Almost nothing is actually level unless precisely measured against the earth's horizontal plane. And you've never said if you tried the same test anywhere else at all. It would be so easy to prove or disprove things with a few other simple tests using the scientific method, but all we get are the same thing over and over.
I have tried it at 3 different parking lotS (level ground). I definitely don't want to try it on the road.
I agree that this shouldn't happen based on the law of physics. That's why I am asking. The ground may be a little bit tilted for drainage. But this tiny slope can cause the rolling backward
(The action of shift makes it move)? Even the gear is at "D"? And at the same time, pressing on the brake couldn't stop it!!! Any problem for the design? :confuse:The key question is: Do you have the same problem if you follow the procedures in my post of #2529? Is this a common problem or not? So, please try it several times and report your results here. Thank you!
If it is not the problem of my particular car, what do you suggest to do? Return it and get the money back?
van
Ok, I was bored.
At the great risk of running through the back of my garage, I went ahead and tried this anyway. However, I did not experience the same unprovoked inertia as you report. I was able to stick my foot out of the door and push it backward an inch, or two, though. It appears that you have something special there. :shades:
The car runs pretty well in normal types of operations - quiet, smoth, good suspension, easy to access to the A/C, radio buttons etc., feels like a little too light while operating at 60-65mph (but I can take it). The only concern right now is the dysfunction of the "D" and brake when the key is at "on".
Did you put your key at "on" or "acce"? If your key was at "acce", everything is O.K. The problem happens when the key is at the "on" position. Shift the gears to "R" and then "D".
The ignition "on" position is only designed for when the engine has been started. "On" means the engine and all systems are "on" assuming the operator knew enough to engage the starter. Accessory is for listening to the radio when the car is not running. "Acc" does not allow for turning the steering wheel.
Steering wheels do not unlock unless the ignition is "on." This is a safety feature (required by the gov't I think).
No car should be attempted to be moved unless the engine is running and all systems of the car are therefore operational.
Almost any paved surface has some degree of pitch to it. My garage, which by definition has a roof and 4 walls, has a very slight pitch in the floor. (Back in '89, I screwed up and left the auto tranny in drive when I removed the key from the ignition. The car rolled out of the garage. This was an '88 Chrysler which stickered for $20K in 1987.) Auto trannies due to the non-direct connection can go in either direction, when the engine is not running and the shifter has been changed from "park."
Also, I don't know about you but I have had to move vehicles by hand many times in my 40 years of driving either because they wouldn't start or a dead battery. While it isn't ideal and one has to be careful, to say that it should not be attempted is a personal opinion. I brought up the difference in the key positions and just explained it a little different than you did. Someone else mentioned that nearly every parking area has some slope. So I really don't see where you can say that the conversation is "unbelievably ill-informed".
Steering wheels do not unlock unless the ignition is "on." This is a safety feature (required by the gov't I think).
He said the key was in the "on" position.