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Mazda6 Sedan

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  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I can tell you from experience if the car's painted, the first thing that the dealer you try to sell the car to is going to say is, 'this car's been in an accident', and will drop the value. Carmax also checks the cars for overspray and fender bolts turned when you take them in to get worked on.

    My 01 Protege had to have the left front fender painted due to a hit and run 3 weeks after I got it. Carmax dropped like $2000 off the price when I took it there for an evaluation after the work had been done. Not a good sign for resale, which is already going to take a hard enough hit from rebates on a brand new for 03 car.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Exactly.

    But.....I wonder if a Mazda dealer could low-ball you on a Mazda6 trade because of that?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Well how many Mazda6 owners would trade in a Mazda6 and get something else from Mazda? I know if it were me, I wouldn't be willing to give the company another chance right away after having my almost brand new car rust.

    It's a good point though. They should do some kind of discount if you trade in your Mazda6 for another '6' or another Mazda. I think VW runs these specials from time to time.
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    Well how many Mazda6 owners would trade in a Mazda6 and get something else from Mazda? I know if it were me, I wouldn't be willing to give the company another chance right away after having my almost brand new car rust.

    That's the difference between you ad me, I guess. Nothing else in my price range matches my list of requirements from a car as well as the Mazda 6. Nothing is even remotely close! If my car were rusting noticeably (which, I'll point out, so far it isn't) I would still take whatever reparations Mazda offers, and then watch the market when I'm looking for my next new car in 2005/6/7 whenever. And if a Mazda suits my needs better than the others (which I don't doubt it will!), then another Mazda it will be.

    As for discounts for previous owners - through all of June/July/August Mazda offered a Mazda Owner Loyalty Rebate of $1000 which I made use of. While it was the clinching factor for me to mkae the purchase AT THAT TIME, and not bother tow ait for a hatch, it was NOT a clinching factor in the selection fo the car. ie - I would have bought another car if it suited my needs better, even without the loyalty rebate.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,280
    If the 6 is scaring you off (for the rust issue), maybe save a few $$, and downsize slightly to the upcoming 3. Sounds like the Japanese plant hasn't had problems with the paint process, and hopefully the 3 won't suffer from this defect either.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • seafseaf Posts: 339
    Just because robots assemble cars these days does not mean the human error factor is out of the equation. Consider an example where a robot paints cars, and the technician is not very attentive, and the paint supply is low or not as pure, so a few thousand cars get sprayd with the bad paint. Even though robots did the work. The human error factor is in almost everything we do. Machines can be precise in doing tasks repeatedly, but when special situations arise, the human part is usually the one to make a mistake.
  • housethouset Posts: 36
    Can someone please post again where exactly you need to look for the rust. I checked the doors and didn't see any, but I'd like it if someone could repost what we need to do and where to look.
  • aromasaromas Posts: 314
    houset: Look at the frame of the window and find the rubber molding that surrounds the border. Simply lift up the bottom of the molding with your fingers and look under it all across the channel. The two areas that are welded is where the rust would be forming. It may look like dirt and can be wiped off but it is surface rust coming from the inside of the welded seams. If you don't see any discoloration than you're OK for now. Also check the hinges on your doors as well as open the trunk and check by the weatherstrippng in the gutter area at the top part of the trunk. Not the trunk lid itself but the area bordering the trunk. I hope that makes sense and good luck!
  • mes58mes58 Posts: 21
    Well, I am in that unfortunate club of people who have identified rust on their vehicles. Mine is a Black 6i, built 03/03, bought 06/03 and currently about 6800 miles. After seeing the messages here, I did a quick check on my car and I found rust on the two front doors so I called up Mazda to complain. The guy I talked to acknowledged that they are aware of the "small" problem and said I should take the car to the dealer and that the dealership would repair the car.

    I know I have to take the car to the dealer eventually but after all the discussions here, the talk of this being a small problem that the dealer would fix easily made me uneasy. What do you folks think?
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    Personally I would take the fix but insist on it being done right. Having done a fair amount of body work and car painting in my life, I also believe that this is a problem that can be repaired by a good body shop and the repair will not be detectable if done properly.

    I have a friend that had a Z28 with defective paint on the hood. He took it to a Chevy dealer who sent it to a body shop to paint the hood. He didn't like they work they did so he took it back and insisted that they do it over again. They did.

    Just my $.02 ...
  • pubdefpubdef Posts: 14
    Here's a link to an article I found at the "Automotive Design and Production" website about Mazda's new painting process for the Atenza/6. Maybe the method wasn't used at Flat Rock and should have been, or maybe it just didn't work as well there as in Japan...

    http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/090209.html
  • I did a much more careful rust check this evening and am happy to say I found none at all. My 6S was built 12/02 as I recall. Could it be the earlier ones are less susceptible to the rust? Did they change the manufacturing process after the 1st of the year?
  • The Mazda6 Hatchback is awesome! Very soon it will be my Husband's new ride. The quality that comes from AutoAlliance is outstanding.
    My 2 cents? Keep America working, the $ in the USA...and a car that will last in your driveway.
    ZoomZoom
  • buggywhipbuggywhip Posts: 188
    That new painting process merely reduces the environmental hazards of painting a car; it does not create a superior paint job. Probably inferior, IMO. It combines painting steps that probably are best left alone..............redcOugar, while I appreciate your affection for Flat Rock, it's rather astonishing that you can claim such enthusiam in light of previous posts by enraged 6 owners. Have you been following this board for the past 3 wks or so?? Your beloved AutoAlliance has literally destroyed the automotive faith and broken the hearts (and wallets) of many Mazda enthusiasts. No one is villifying AutoAlliance or Mazda (yet), but their gaffe is absolutely inexcusable.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    looks like they may have used the 6 as the guinea pig for some new painting shortcuts.

    Lets hope its not Vega, part 2.
  • "My 2 cents? Keep America working, the $ in the USA...and a car that will last in your driveway."

    So, I guess that means buy a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry? I went against my own intuitions by buying something built at AutoAlliance. The funny thing is that in Mazda's press releases, Mazda boasts about bringing a large team from Japan to ensure the quality of the AutoAlliance assembly prior to Job 1. Maybe they left too soon?
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    I think American Car Companies are a part of the Auto alliance. I don't think Honda and Toyota are. I think Mazda is because they are 34% by Ford. I don't the Auto Alliance destroyed anything. The Flat Rock plant is responsible for this rust issue not anybody else. Not a union even. Have you ever seen a 2003 Ford or Chevy rusting? I sure haven't.

    After seeing the Red Sox or Cubs self destruct I'm still convinced Mazda is cursed. The Red Sox curse started when they traded Babe Ruth away the Yankees and the Mazda curse started when Ford put their tranny in the 94 626. Honda(just can't be beat)is the New York Yankess of the auto industry and Mazda is the Red Sox of the auto industry(just can't seem to catch a break.)

    I agree with Buggy Whip this rust issue is inexcuseable.

    I saw a new 6 with new car tags on it yesterday on my way to work. It had the sport grille and was silver. This car seems to be attracting a wide range people of all ages.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    http://pda.ananova.net/news/story/sm_796050.html?menu=business

    "In the magazine, the CA gave marks out of 10 for the ability of models to withstand theft from the car and theft of the vehicle itself.

    Among medium cars, the Kia Rio got just one point in the theft-from table, with testers getting into the boot in just 10 seconds.

    Testers were able to get into the main part of the Rio and also into the Fiat Doblo, Hyundai Matrix and Renault Avantime in less than half a minute.

    But they were unable to get into - even after trying for five minutes - the Ford Fusion, Lexus LS 430, Mazda 6, Saab 9-3 and Seat Ibiza."
  • To clear things up... AutoAlliance International is the name of the Mazda/Ford joint-venture manufacturing facility located in Flat Rock, Michigan. It began production in 1987 of the MX-6 and was known as Mazda Motor Manufacturing (USA) Corporation (MMUC). In 1992, amid Mazda's financial turmoil, Ford agreed to purchase half of the plant and it became AutoAlliance International, Inc.

    It became a union (UAW) plant in 1988. It has produced the 626, MX-6, Ford Probe, Mercury Cougar, and now produces the Mazda6. It will also produce the 2005 Mustang.
  • "AutoAlliance by jstandefer" noted that the Mazda6 has a union shop. This is part of the reason American built cars (also "transplants") have inferior quality problems. My brother has worked on the line building Ford Motor Company products for 32 years now. Seems where ever the union is in the auto industry they're more succeptable to quality problems. The Honda's Marysville plant is not unionized yet(family works there also) and they produce a very nice car - Accord.

    If it doesn't have a "J" (Japan) in the first letter of its VIN#, then I may have to research that car a little more.
  • aromasaromas Posts: 314
    " But they were unable to get into - even after trying for 5 minutes - the Ford Fusion, Lexus LS430, Mazda 6, Saab9-3 and Seat Ibiza."

    That's good news, but if the 6 is easily stolen it gives you a simple way to get rid of your rust problem with the insurance company covering the full price of the car for the 1st 18 months. You just can't win.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Maybe that is the way insurance works in Canada, but in the US it most assuredly does not cover the full price of the car, just its depreciated value.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Then you are rid of it.
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    Maybe you could leave it unlocked with the keys in it. ;)
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    at least wait til Mazda figures out what the fix is. You don't want another off the production line with the same problem (and a different option configuration). :)
  • buggywhipbuggywhip Posts: 188
    I suppose it's easy to blame the UAW for any quality issues. But it's too hard to substantiate and prove. The fact is, however, that the Camry, Accord and Altima plants are not unionized; the 6 plant is. A bit compelling on its face, but nothing more...........it is also a fact that 6 prices have fallen drastically here in the Northeast. A 6i automatic can be had for $15k, at least based on newspaper ads. Mazda can't be making a profit with such discounts. It also can't be selling many cars.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Dealers set final selling prices, NOT manufacturers. As long as Mazda doesn't have to incentivize the vehicle, they couldn't care less what it sells for at dealerships. Its profit remains the same per unit.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    If there are no incentives on the vehicle the prices wouldn't be so low. Dealers aren't in the business to give cars away. A 14,999 Mazda 6 has incentives somewhere. Marketing assistance, spiffs, volume discounts, dealer rebates. The dealer is gonna make his money on on end or the other. Or your neighborhood Mazda dealer will suddenly go Toyota.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    It can't go Toyota. If Mazda dealers could have gone Toyota, they would have long ago. The relatively weak dealer network is one of Mazda's biggest problems. Toyota franchises were snapped up years ago and are almost never available.
  • Mazda may be issuing a Press Release regarding the "rust" next week. Let's hope it meets our needs.
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