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GM 2.2 engine problems
scottygmc4x4
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Has any one out there had any problems with the GM 2.2 engine. Also does this engine use a timing belt or chain. My car runs very nice when the engine is hot but has a noise when cold below 30 F. It sounds to me like piston slap. Any help out there????
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You have to determine the location of the noise. If it is rear, lower, check the torque converter bolts.
I never heard of an S-10 with a 2.2L. I had a '92 with a 2.5 once. It performed ok. Is it an old S-10?
Good luck and Happy New Year to all vehicle lovers
FWIW, I have a friend who once owned an '85 Cavalier with the 2.0. It was a dog, but that car did run to about 110K or so miles. It was finally done in by electrical problems.
Knocks cold and continues for 2-3 minutes.
1) Engine flywheel contacting splash shield - reposition splash shield.
2) Loose or broken crankshaft balancer or drive pulleys. Tighten or replace as necessary.
3) Excessive piston to bore clearance - replace piston.
4)Cold piston knock which disappears in 1.5 minutes should be considered acceptable.
Well, I've had good service out of my 2.2 engine in my 99 Cavalier with no problems at all. I also like the simplicity of the engine and how easy it is to work on.
But back to the subject at hand...while the 2.2 isn't exactly a poster-child for quality or innovation, I'm sure if it was really truly horrible, GM would've been burned by it years ago and I'd hope they would've been intelligent enough to revise it or replace it.
This is in a 2002 Grand Am. 3000+ miles and no oil service light - just waiting for it to come on.
Blown head gaskets were usually caused by corrosion brought on by incorrect coolant. Using DexCool orange colored coolant seems to have helped in stopping blown head gaskets. So you see, even in these primitive engines there are some advances.
Strange thing too, I normally do my own oil change but once I had to do it while away from home and took my car to the local quick lube joint. Well, the guy whipped out that oil filter so quickly that I had to double check to see if he had indeed changed it - he had.
Yep, the car is easy to work on and ideal for shadetree mechanics like myself. Sparkplugs, alternator, starter, ignition system etc. are all easy to get at. Parts are cheap. I normally keep my cars for many years so that's what I'm looking for.
Who cares what the car sounds like as long as it goes?
Who cares about how a car sounds as long as it goes? I do.
The secret is to make the removal tool as short as possible. When refitting the filter I also use the wrench to tighten it to specifications.
Its tool#63600- Wait for the picture to load it may take a minute or so if you have a modum.
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Why such bloody hateful and rabid responses to other posters anyway? Their experience is different than what you have had so you flame them, erkila? Grow up.
I didn't know about the pf52, a longer filter fitting that would work better.I wonder where its listed for the 2.2.
I must be just lucky i have had very few problems with a 2.2 or the 2.0 but of course i keep my cars up.
Every 30K i change the transmission oil & filter,fuel filter,air filter,coolant.
I never met a 2.2 i didn't like.
The 2.2 is just like the Corvette engine,pushrods.
The 2.2 is going to remain as the base engine,the 2.2 ET will be an option
I can even get my body under there to remove the drain plug without lifting the car.
Granted, it's not as easy as my '79 Fairmont which could be done totally without getting under the car. Both filter and drain plug were accessible from above. But it's a pretty close second.
TB
I also found that after putting the car up on ramps, when DIY, as I am, you have to put the car in reverse, release the brakes and let the engine mounts settle or else the distance between the firewall and the power steering fill _is_ insufficient to remove the filter. Once or twice I actually had to 'toss' the filter through the space between the steering assembly and the firewall. This adds significantly to environmental unfriendliness of the process to say the least!
That said, I also have a 92 cav with a 2.2, with 125K miles - and it's been good for us. Besides typical wear items, the alternator is the only component that has been replaced. On both the 92 and 97, the valve cover gaskets leak just enough oil to fill the well above the right-most spark plug. The 97 started doing this much earlier in life than the 92. I would be interested in anyone having experience/tips on replacing the valve cover gasket.
As to "who cares" about the 2.2? Well; with 4 million Cavaliers out there and additional S10s and Jimmys,Corsicas,Berettas,Centurys,Cieras and Sunfires, and since this IS the "Maintenance and Repair" forum and one or two people out there might have a question about that engine [or it's earlier incarnations as the original 1.8 and subsequent 2.0]the answer ought to be obvious.
3.4L Aztek GT. Dealer refused to install PF-52 after replacing oil pan gasket due to liability. WHAT LIABILITY?? As soon as i got it home, i dumped the DINO oil and put in M1 with PF-52.
You get extra oil filtering capacity and 1/2 qt more oil to better lubricate engine.
Would have kept Xtreme if it wasn't for faulty engine computer.
Anyway, I then called the nearest autozone and pep boys based upon the zipcode lookup on the web site. Nobody had it and said they COULD NOT even order it, and I think Pep Boys still doesn't have the car in the database yet.
I then called the 800 number for AC Delco. They were able to refer me to an engine repair shop that is much closer to me than the national stores returned by the lookup engine on the web site.
I called there, he checked around and called me back in 5 minutes to say he could have it later today. I offered to pick it up in the AM - $11.75. The Pontiac dealer 13 mi away had the same story 3 weeks ago, but the cost was at least $16. So, there must be a wholesale warehouse around here somewhere.
Anyway, quite an ordeal for something so simple, but thanks for the idea to go back to AC Delco! The gentleman I spoke with by calling the 800# was helpful, diligent and empathetic.