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Europeans are not obsessed with a -0- defect mentality! They build for performance, and expect glitches, gremlins and maintenance to be part of the game.
You shouldn't compare them. It different DNA.
Maintenance is one thing but it sounds like you're saying some manufacturers plan on failure. There's not much performance happening sitting on the side of the road (or trail) waiting for a tow.
Steve, Host
I have a client who is in the defense business. He builds stuff to kill people and break things with. They ordered a component from a Japanese company, and specified a 5% reject rate on the part. When the order arrived, inside the box with the 1000 parts, was a small seperate package, that had 50 parts in it, with an invoice that read; "We don't understand why you ordered these, but here are your 5% defective parts, no charge".
That's obsessive over quality, and it's the advantage Toyota has too, IMO. But, I don't drive a Sequoia, because, as faultless as it may be, I don't like the truck. I'd rather have a truck with some character, even if I have a few things to have fixed once in a while. AS long as it doesn't become unreliable and I lose confidence in my ability to get home, that works great for me. I don't think anybody is making anything that badly anymore.
Manufacturers make more money the fewer warranty claims they have to cover, so I don't agree that the European manufacturers aren't concerned about quality. Some seem to have trouble executing, but you're right, nobody is making anything that badly anymore.
Steve, Host
It's just a little different mentality. My point was, comparing a Lexus to a RR - it's an apple and oranges thing almost. They're both fruit, but......they taste different.
Steve, Host
When I asked about improvements to the '05 model, the sales rep claimed all he knew was that Bluetooth would be added. I specifically inquired about the NAV system change and other new colors, he said he was not aware of anything else.
The '05 was slated for delivery in October.
The Land Rover website is not helpful. I assume that's because they want the '04 models to go first. Is there anyone out there who knows about the new colors and NAV system change? Will it be touch screen with improved performance or touch screen and no other enhancements?
Thanks for reading.
Joie
'04 RR
*Adriatic Blue
*Parchment
*Cherry
*Luxury interior
*20's
*Additional cherry trim package
*Running boards
1. On 04 RR battery will go dead in a little as a day or two if car not driven
2. There is a TA # TA03 8603 which talks about a drain on the battery from the a/c when the car is parked.
3. It MAY affect VIN # 4A156466 to 4A164860
4. LRNA was working on a fix
5. My dealer could not duplicate my problem (of course!)
6. BUT.. I have heard what appears to be a fan running behind the dash when the ignition is switched off, even after a short run (so it does not appear to be a regular cooling fan)
7. Any ideas on the fix and if it is available?
Check out: www.landrover-center.com/
YoungTurk
'04 Range Rover
Black/Sand
I also attended the Event in Irvine. TON of fun and a First Class event all the way!
maybe you folks can help. I am in the dilemma of purchasing a leftover 04 RR Lux Package with all of the incentives and the Test Drive Coupon, all told about $9K off. Car should run around $68K...or should I wait and suck it up and get the 05 in November?
Please help, my color choices are disappearing!
Thanks
for the responses, In fact the remaining 04 Lux Ranges do not have the leather dash. I was told they were pealing, even though it looks cool, I can live without it. Also one dealer told me it was faux-leather? I have seen 3 without them. I am siding towards the 05, while the price isn't that much of a factor, it always comes down to the money. I do suspect that the new features will be of value to me. Especially if more States and places like D.C. make cell phones more difficult to use. Also if I keep this one longer than my 03 Disco, the extra money will make little difference. Of course I will trade it in, in a heart-beat if they bring over the TD6 in a year or so! Or the Jag engine with 6spd sounds neat also. Then I should get the 04, and trade in 06! Man, I can't make up my mind. Probably why I'm not married either, trouble committing.
Lastly, I just received in the mail a coupon (like the one from the Rover Event)except it seems like I can use it on any Range delivered this year so that would include the 05.
Choices, Choices
chipmacgill@comcast.net
Thanks
Suggestions, advice or comments from anyone would be appreciated.
Thanks,
We used the 4x4 once in a snowstorm to get down our frozen driveway. When I went to shift out of creep mode and 4x4, it locked up the shifter. Our calls to road service was that they would come get us in 8-12 hours with a tow truck from 400 miles away. Sure glad I was not stranded 20 miles from nowhere in the snowstorm and having to sit for 10 hours.
All in all, we loved the styling and the performance, but the service and maintenance shoots all that down. How would you ever trust something like that offroad like they advertise?
I asked my son who does off road driving in his SUV if he wanted to go into the back country of Colorado with me in the RR. He looked at me and said "are you crazy, we would never get back out".
We are dumping this heap as soon as we find a repalcement.
YoungTurk
I am concerned about build quality and reputation and have good reason considering I owned a 1996 Range Rover 4.0 which was a total disaster. I bought into the whole prestige factor and "best 4x4 by far" marketing back then and paid dearly for it in repair costs and time out of service.
I was hoping things had changed with the BMW/Ford factor, but after reading some posts here, it looks like business as usual...so I can't understand how people are willing to pay $65-80K for these rolling mechanical tragedies.
Sure, some people have had good experiences...namely the ones who have recently bought and haven't given their RR's a chance to break down on them by garaging them.
Consider this....go to the Edmunds.com site and do a side by side comparison of the current RR and the V8 VW Touareg. It is truly amazing how similar in specs and features these 2 are. Granted the RR is slightly better off road, but if you don't plan on risking getting broken down in Anza Borrego, the VW might be the best choice...besides, what kind of prestige is there in constantly driving a Disco loaner? That is if your dealership offers a loaner at all.
DVD nav with touch screen and a movable cam. which can be placed anwhere on or near the car. Click on the pics for a larger view of the new nav screen. NOTE: the leather top dash still appears on this UK spec 2005.
LINK: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?news/ae_news_story.php?id=50263
Do you know if its possible to retrofit the nav system on the 05 to the o4. I realy wanted the dvd nav
thx
james