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It just goes to show you that you never should really leave a child unattended for even a minute. If he had been by himself and would have undid the bottom snaps, which he is very capable of, who knows what might have happened. Maybe his weight wouldn't have been enough to actually choke him, but maybe in a panic situation wild movements could have wedged it tighter.
Scary isn't it?
I have other minivan and child safety links at http://www.caviller.com
Wife: "Odyssey drives like a bus/Quest drives like a car, Odyssey too noisy".
Kids: Like the Lemo style seating as oppose to row seating and Leather seats do handle spills better.
Myself: I can get the Quest for $4500 Less compare to LX with no waiting or flying!!
Saftey is my big concern: However wife says "I am too paranoid, and maybe I should buy Humvee or Ford Excursion". The 2001 Quest does have 5 stars now.
Checked the consumer report and not too happy with '99 Odyssey's reliability rating. I hate to pay high price now and be sorry later...Decisions..decisions!!!
When I was shopping for minivans 5 months ago, it eventually came down to the DC and Honda products (size/capacity being a big factor). I looked very seriously at the Quest as I'm a real Nissan fan (I absolutely love my 2001 Pathfinder LE). What eventually sold me on the Ody was the safety (NHTSA & IIHS), capacity, flexibility, finish quality, power, handling, power sliding doors and magic seat. Cost was not a primary concern when it came to a vehicle I would likely be hanging on to for 5-7 years. The biggest drawbacks to the Ody for me were the sound system (weak), the lack of a stock entertainment system, and no AWD. I am subsequently pleased with how well the traction control system works on the ODY, and how abundant, cheap and versatile aftermarket entertainment systems are becoming. I hope to have one installed for the summer travelling season.
http://www.renault.com/gb/produits/espace.htm. Its rumored that Nissan may even put the new V8 engine as an option on the GLE models. As with other Nissan products, it will be the best deal dollar for dollar ($$$ is the key word here).
http://www.crashtest.com/explanations/nhtsa/usncap.htm
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_passvans.htm
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/98024.htm
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/97026.htm
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/98023.htm
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/ncap.cfm?lookup=yes&vehclass=van&vehdesc=Van
Good luck!
Drew
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I was responding to your previous sales copy.
Having test-driven the "major" minivans in the
last 4 weeks, it is clear to me that the Odyssey
is noiser than the T&C, the Caravan, and the Sienna, and generally on par with the Quest.
Three years is just about the time that Honda will
come out with a new version of the Odyssey, knocking down the value of the current one.
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The new Quest or whatever the call it will have a Cabin built by Renault. The only cabin I would except from Renault would be on a Huffy Bike. Renault makes some of the world worst cars. So now the Quest can go from bottom feeder to junkyard dog.
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Well...I guess it could be worse...:)
It could be a Renault engine or (gasp) Renault electrical system!
Say it isn't so!!
My 01 EX van has proven to be flawless since I got it in early December. Not one issue or problem. 100% Honda. My wife is completely pleased, and it goes wonderfully in snow. The product is worth the aggrevation of the purchase process. For those waiting, hang in there.
Cordially,
Eric V.
1. I do not own a Quest.
2. I have no interest in buying a Quest.
3. I have read the Edmunds comparison. I do admit
that I did not know that it was the authoritative
document on the subject. But in any case, nothing
that I said disputes what The Edmunds Comparison
proclaims.
4. Automobiles, vans,SUVs, etc are simply consumer
products made by very large companies with their
own agendas.
5. Focusing specifically on vans, each one has its
advantages and disadvantages AND the determination
of what is an advantage or disadvantage will vary
from person to person according to his/her circum-
stances and needs. And all of the vans have strengths
and weaknesses. Simple concepts, eh ? But one that
some people here can't seem to accept.
6. I am having a difficult time deciding what to buy:
none of the vans are perfect and, as an atheist, I
find it very difficult to become religious about any
one of them.
7. Vans are simply consumer products made by very large
companies with their own agendas.
8. It appears that there are many people in our society
who have a need to establish their sense of self-worth
by connecting it to a specific consumer product. They
act as tho a criticism of the PRODUCT (a CONSUMER GOODS
ITEM, a MACHINE) is a personal attack on them. It's sad.
In summary I have test drove both of the vehicles and I have a lot of experance driving cars and I liked the Odyssey the best. Also I like the fold away seat and the safety. As far as the reliability is concerned get a 7/100/0 Honda Care warranty and then you can forget about the reliability. The Windstar according to CR has a poor reliability. It's realiabiliy is worse then the Odyssey. I don't think you will have a problem with a 2001. The relaibility problems were with the first model 1999, but a 7 year 100k mile warranty for about $900 takes care of a lot of relaability problems
I had my choice of cars and after a lot of testing a research I choice the Odyssey and I have no regrets. I suggest you read Consumer Reports. They rate the Odyssey on top as does a number of others. But don't ever expect to get the perfect car. Their is no such thing and you will spend a lot of wasted worrying wondering if you bought the perfect car, which you can never do.
I believe I have given you my unbiased evaluation as I could have bought any van and after careful thought I bought the Odyssey. I have no regrets and I would have if the Odyssey did not live up to my expectations.
"as an atheist"
Are we going to make this a "spiritual" discussion now? What does "being against God" have to do with vans?
TO: I just bought an Odyssey!!! by kprn94
I am sure the WS is a nice van. I like some of Ford's products, but I have one friend that just had to replace his WS's engine- out of his pocket... you know how warranty's are!
The Ody was the best for us and I have never heard someone say... "This Honda is a piece of junk!" I have had mine for 3 weeks and it's great!
Peace!
For the Windstar the reliability is rated "very poor" and the noise is rated "average".
Also the Windstar is ranked number six whereas the Odyssey is ranked number one.
But I really have no axe to grind. I wish less people wanted Odysseys so I would not have had to wait the 4 months, that I did.
Reading here about road noise and I'm wondering, does anybody use their minivan to haul kids?? I don't know about yours, but my kids make enough noise of their own to drown out anything coming from outside the van. If I want a quiet ride, I leave the kids at home and take the sedan. I guess everyone has their own list of what's important. Our top priorities centered around what was important for carrying kids: five-star safety, LOTS of interior room, good power for freeway on-ramps, ease of converting seating to cargo space (the magic 3rd seat is great), and a comfortable ride, all at a decent price.
So far, our 2001 Odyssey EX has delivered with flying (GG) colors. Four months old today and it has been 100% trouble-free. Very happy with it overall, and would recommend the Odyssey to anyone whose priorities in what they are looking for in a minivan are similar to those mentioned above. If, in addition, you want factory leather, a megawatt stereo, Lexus-quality noise levels (hope your kids let you enjoy the quiet ride), the ability to haggle with a dealer over '$300 above invoice', or electric tailgates, then save yourself some time and look elsewhere.
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Sorry, just because I don't lockstep with the bandwagon doesn't have anything to do with "bitter." If you truly believed in the second half of your sentence, you would realize that.
I've been lurking among these discussion boards for a couple of months and am trying to decide between a LX and an EX model. I had some questions on some accessories:
1. How much does the dealer charge for the roof rack crossbars on an EX? If I went for the LX, I could install the rack with crossbars for less than $300 (hondaparts.com).
2. How well do you think the leather seats in the third row will hold up if it is stowed and lifted out often?
Thanks in advance.
Most recent imformation that hasn't been released in print yet is that there have updated junction switch plates made available for Vans with all the update latches and bulletins done but still experiancing problems. You will probably have to ask them to call tech line for that info and if it pertains to you.
Your complaint is usally associated with bad(dirty or mis-aligned)junction switches but not limited to that.Now with the door no longer working by power you have set a code on the computer(most likely a code 25) which also has a bulletin out for its repair. keep us posted and if you cant get to the dealer soon I can tell you how to reset the door but it would be best to leave it alone so dealer can access the code.Good luck.
I'm highly suspicous that quality control on the asaembly line is being sacrificed to keep the line moving at a high rate inorder to meet production demand.
Honda had better start focusing on build quality if it wants to maintain its image and customer base.
I am close to considering invocation of the lemon law. A sad reflection on my part regarding what is a well engineered van but suffering from lousy assembly. My '99 Mazda Millenia S, has such good build quality that the rubber doors stops are not adjustable. Honda's are adjustable to allow minor correction of alignment errors. Never had any failure with my Mazda.
We loved the 99 but traded since we wanted the feature content of the EX. We lucked out as we were out of town visiting my 99 Windstar SEL owning parents and their local Honda dealer had it on the lot.
Honda has improved the speakers (Very noticible not as tinny) and the Michelin tires are measurably better than the Firestone Affinities. The van is quieter than the 99 and I think the build quality tolerances are tighter as well.
We have had no problems with the Power doors. I did leave a door open and discovered the 01 will shut the dome lights off automatically.
The climate control is virtually set it and forget. We've survived several weeks of below zero (Christmas was -17 below with a windchill of -40) and the van started each time after sitting outside overnight without being plugged in.
It seems each vehicle I have owned is never perfect and this Ody seems to have a quirk with its gas gauge. The 99 was calibrated almost perfectly. It took 10 gallons of gas to fill the tank if it the needle was at the 1/2 hash mark. Ten gallons fills the 01 when the needle is closer to 1/4 tank. My wife commented that the new Ody is a gas hog but when refilling it the actual mileage is close to the 99. The needle does drop fast and the low fuel light illuminates with 7 gallons in the tank.
One comment about Consumer Reports. It was noted in a post above that the 99 Ody will be on the cars to avoid list. This was never mentioned in the January Minivan comparison and the Ody had the highest score.
Family Feud update: Parents still love their Windstar. Mom was a little dismayed that our '99 ODY LX commanded a higher resale value than their SEL.
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The Odyssey got CR's best "score" among all minivans in CR's overall evaluation of minivans. That is separate from recommending a vehicle, however: CR will recommend a vehicle if it does well in its evaluation AND if it rates at least average in its problem incident surveys (CR rates quality statistically by analyzing repair history surveys answered by readers).
CR also has a recommended used car list and a used-car-to-avoid list. The second is based exclusively (almost exclusively ?) on which vehicles rated signficantly below average in problems.
The Odyssey rated average for problems according to CR's latest minivan article, which was in last month's issue. So unless there is a signficant and unexpected change in the next few months, the Odyssey will not appear on the used-car-to-avoid list. It is CR's highest-rated minivan, and is one of the minivans recommended by CR, since it received the highest evaluation score and it received an average rating for problems.
Does Honda do any kind of dealing on this model?
Does anybody still get rustproofing?
thanks
In an e-mail response, CR confirmed to me that the 1999 Odyssey had a rating far below average. This is why the overall projection dropped to average in the review, from well above average in the previous review of the 1999 EX and in the April, 2000 Car edition.
I do not know if that necessarily means the 1999 Odyssey will be on the Used car list to avoid.
I just checked the CR site. The `99 Odyssey has dropped to the
"worse than average" ranking in reliability. The `00 Odyssey is
ranked as "average". However, the only Honda listed in the used-
car-to-avoid list is the Passport for the 95 to `99 model years.
CR gives a fair amount of information about how their reliability rankings are derived. The "executive summary", using a specific year as a for-instance, is as follows:
"For each model, this details the problem rates in 14 trouble
spots, such as engine, transmission, brakes, and so forth. These
data are derived from annual surveys of Consumer Reports'
subscribers, covering experiences with hundreds of thousands of
vehicles. On the 1999 Annual Questionnaire, readers were asked
about "serious" problems that occurred between April 1998 and
March 1999. We received responses covering more than 500,000
vehicles. Only models with sufficient responses are included... "
I am posting to ask if anyone can tell me, or perhaps point me a to a site that describes, how to replace a side mirror. Thanks to some creative backing by my dear wife, our driver side mirror was crushed.
I got the part (replacing the entire unit, not just the glass) online, and it really looks like it should be a very simple installation, so much so that even though I don't consider myself especially handy at such things, I figure I should be able to do it myself. Looks like just a matter of screwing in a couple of bolts. The problem is, I can't figure out how to access those bolts...
Any help will be appreciated.
David
The previous post I referenced also contains the areas which were affecting the lower reliability, according to the same e-mail.
According to the mechanic, the old motor seemed to work fine on the bench but wouldn't work in once installed. Happy with the fix and the dealer. Irritated by the alarm.
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John
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"I am so glad I bought the Ody. I bought it in PA and I live in NY. I got it for $2000 less. The dealers in N are adding $2000 to the sticker. I will be getting it next week"
Could it be that it is saying he got it for $2000 less in PA then what the dealers in NY are charging which is $2000 over sticker, therefore he got it for MSRP. The paragraph appers to be a bit of riddle to solve. This board should have a riddle solver in addition to a Check Spelling perhaps
The $2000 NY dealer add-on to MSRP was the savings.
I live in Upstate NY and the price I found for the EX is about $26,400 which I believe is the MSRP. Not sure if dealer has added $2000.Can some confirm that$26,400(without destination fee or accessories)is the MSRP?
Thanks
John