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Steve, Host
Escape drivers are too busy at the dealership getting recalls and warranty repair done, while CR-V drivers have all the time they need to post on Edmunds khe khe khe :-)
I'm not sure your generalization is accurate but, just for the record, ownership of a specific vehicle is not a prerequisite for contributing to the discussion of a specific vehicle on these boards!
tidester, host
tidester, host
You can see them all by going to New Cars under the Edmunds.com tab and drilling down to Consumer Reviews.
Hope this helps.
Steve, Host
One flaw with your conclusion.
WE OWN BOTH, a 2005 CR-V EX and a 2005 ESCAPE XLT. How many people here have both in the same household? If there are others, we are the only ones who can truly compare them side by side.
I drive CR-V most of the time, while She drives the Escape, but sometimes we switch, if one is parked infront of the other. I can compare them, you can't. You have a one sided opinion, while I have both...
Probably because the 2006 CR-V is not going to be out for another month and a half.
I posted comparison earlier in the thread. Each has it positives and negatives.
As far as buying experience, buying Honda was like pulling teeth out of the dealer, it was a lengthy negotiations process. Ford was basically happy that we were interested in it, and would do whatever we asked to make sure we bought one.
There are only 2 Honda dealers in a 60 mile radius, while there are 5 Fords in just our area. Plus, I wanted a very rare, almost oxymoronic, SUV with a manual transmission. Luckily Honda by us had one, but I made a mistake by letting them know that I only wanted a manual.
Escape manual (4 cyl, 2WD) is a dog compare to CR-V manual (4 cyl, AWD). CR-V manual (4 cyl, AWD) is as fast if not faster than Escape XLT (V6, AWD, auto). Just the fact that this thread exists, means that Honda's 4 Cyl is a formidable threat to Ford's V6.
Bingo!
Steve, Host
last weekend i installed a 2 inch receiver hitch on my wife's escape. based on the installation times posted on the etrailer site, i figured it wouldn't be a big deal.
the local rv place where i bought it wanted about $40 to install it.
it took me hours, but i finaly got it installed. the mounting bolts had to be fished through the frame. there were 2 choices, take off the back bumper and run them through the end of the frame, or grind out one of the access holes in the frame on each side and fish the bolts and backing plates through there. i did option 2. once i learned how to set up the fishing wire, it wasn't too bad. of course i fished some of the bolts through the wrong holes, and had to fish them from one hole to another, too.
i am sure some crv owner will post how much easier it is to do on a crv.
OEM Hitch install
Or go with e-trailer's no drilling version
E-trailer
P.S. Thanks for pointing out the profile, it is updated now.
"4cyl manual faster than V6 in Escape" Here we go again, and again, and again. You fail to mention you have absolutely redline the 4cyl through each gear in order to achieve this goal. %99.0 of CRV owners with manual transmission don't redline thier vehicles on a normal basis I would bet.... :P
Here we go again, and again, and again. Real data being ignored.
Honda made $10,000,000 just from shipping soy beans grown in Ohio to Japan in the empty engine/tranny containers. Pretty smart idea, I think.
I agree. Do you have a link to where you read this? I'd like to learn more. Thank you.
Chicago Tribune Jim Mateja Column (carinsurance.com)
Steve, Host
It's all over for Honda. Reading more and more around the net of people who have or had issues with the Accord, CRV, Civic and other Honda vehicles. As Honda fans know customer satisfaction for Honda has also slipped by a fair margin. With quality of ALL vehicles going up across the board, what will Honda have to offer? not much. Honda had one heck of a run no doubt. More comsumers are finding out you don't need the silver "H" to have a good, reliable and quality built vehicle. It was only a matter of time for this to happen in a market driven economy. I foresee a buyout of Honda in the next 10-15 years. Honda will not have the $$$ for new reasearch/capitol to invest in new plants, R&D ect.. Sales trends for Honda are also in a flat curve, not like 5 years ago when the line was at a very good upward trend.
YOU wrote that. Now your here trying to spin a 19% loss in profits in the 2nd quarter as such a bad thing, when in reality Ford is having trouble selling cars, not Honda. Blah, blah blah.
On the other hand, Honda expects 20% growth from 3.2 million units a year, to 4 million units a year, by March of 2008.
In your wacky math, you're always trying to compare the two directly. That's like comparing me and the CEO of my company directly. As you yourself pointed out, Ford's biggest seller is there full-size pickups, which Honda doesn't even make. And Honda selling less CR-Vs doesn't mean it isn't superior to the Escape.
Regardless, Honda continues to grow, and Ford continues to have problems. That will continue until Ford starts to make cars and SUVs that get good gas mileage, perform well, and are safe and reliable. Until then, they will consistently be behind Chevy and Toyota in overall sales, and behind those two and Honda when it comes to making vehicles people want.
The people at Ford should get down on their knees and thank the Lord the Europeans and the Asians don't really have interest in making big pickups, because that's all Ford has to brag about right now.
Wacky math is what Abbott and Costello did. Let's refrain from characterizing fellow Forum members in the same manner! Thanks.
tidester, host
Ford's doing great. Employee pricing, anyone?
Yeah, you're probably right, "net" people's opinions on the internet mean more to me than what all the studies say.
I just hope noone dies from a fire in their CRV.
Me, too. I'd hate to see the same thing happen to CR-V that happened to Ford when all those rollovers happened. According to the net, you couldn't drive a block without seeing a rollovered Ford.
I am living proof the Escape AND Tribute are great vehicles. Would you believe
me?
You're right, I wouldn't believe you, but that doesn't mean Escape and Tribute are bad vehicles. They just aren't as good as a CR-V. Especially since they roll over all the time.
There are some people who will never, ever believe Ford, GM could EVER make a vehicle superior to a Japanese brand.
I didn't use to be one of these people, but now I think I am. You've got to stay on four tires to be superior.
And, if you get out on the net you will see more and more people are finding this out and switching from Honda to other brands, not just Fords or GM models.
Here we are back to those infamous "net" people. They're kinda like carnies, from what I've been told. Small hands, smell like cabbage. And if you mean people switching to Ford and GM, you obviously have been living in Afghanistan for the past few months. The domestics are the ones with the low sales and offering "employee" pricing. Not Honda. I've gotta go. Someone just rolled a Ford outside my house...
"They just aren't as good as a CR-V. Especially since they roll over all the time."
maybe i missed something, do me a favor and point where you got this from.
And yes, if you knew how to "surf" the net you would find other chat rooms about the auto industry, and peeved off Honda owners to boot..
Escape - YTD sales of 86,914 compared with 98,532 in 2004 -11.8%
These numbers do not include any July sales.
Tribute - YTD sales of 22,370 compared with 20,583 in 2004 +8.7%
Mariner - YTD sales of 16,552 compared with 0 in 2004
FYI - I own both a Honda CR-V and a Mazda 6. I love them both.
I don't see how Escape is cheaper than CR-V. When comparing apples to apples:
Loaded CR-V SE (no options) = $23,985
Loaded Escape Limited (no options) = $25,128 even with employee pricing and rebates.
Escape is $1000 more, plus the hidden costs of ownership, and faster depriciation rate. I just hope you are not a financial advisor, because you would give people a very misinformed financial advice.
Steve, Host
Of course Carsdirect wouldn't be a good place, it weakens the argument. I always bought cars under the carsdirect/TMV price. But, for the sake of argument, I chose the "no haggle" source. Just to clarify, I paid lots less for the CR-V than Carsdirect and Edmunds' TMV price. But, I am a haggler, most people are not.
Since we are on Edmunds here is TMV, I am sure you will find a reson to knock down Edmunds as well.
Ford Escape Limited (I added sunroof and indash 6 cd changer, which I forgot to do first time around) $26,662
Even without the sunroof and the CD changer, it is $25,525
Honda CR-V SE (no options offered, comes with Sunroof and in-dash 6 disc changer) $24,636
This is not looking good for your argument. It is also interesting that Edmunds lists Escape with RAV4 in the Compact SUV's, while CR-V is listed along with Pilot, Lexus RX300 and Highlander in Midsize SUV's.
The CR-V just scrapes into the midsize category due to interior volume...
Damerow Ford, 1 example 2005 Escape XLS 4WD VIN#D51577, $18,325.
Thomason Honda 2WD LX Element $17,499
Courtesy Ford 2005 Escape Limited 4x4 $22,379.76 #E48163 "11 more to choose from"
Landmark Ford Limited Escape 4x4 $24,535, XLT 4x4 sport $21,725, another at 22,281, XLT 4x4 V6 $20, 929.. They have a pretty sizeable list here in the paper with mulitple listings to choose from.
2005 CRV LX 2WD for $19,188! This is at Ron Tonkin Honda 2 to choose from Want VIN's? e-mail me an let me know or phone #'s. I may have crossed the line already giving Dealership names.. Choice is nice and Ford offers more choices, Trim levels and colors than Honda does also...