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Is the new CR-V rear hatch even split where the glass can open separately? I would think it is given that the side opener had separate glass. An annoying necessity in the first gen (had to open the glass first to open the bottom door) but a convenience in the second.
Stupid? Says who? Someone who doesn't own one?? That carries a lot of weight.
You do recall correctly...it debuted on the 1991 Explorer (in 1990).
I prefer the clamshell setup of the Element... or the X5, XC90.
Right, but the glass can still be opened separately right?
No I don't own one and never have. However I have loaded and unloaded things from a family member's 2001 CR-V and I think that swinging door is, yes, stupid. It gets in the way just about every time. I much prefer a hatch because it will practically open by itself which is great when your hands are full of two kids and some groceries plus it keeps you out of the rain when folding up the double stroller in the mall parking lot.
The side door is of zero benefit to me personally and was a big factor in our choice of the Escape over the CR-V when we shopped them a few years ago.
You do recall correctly...it debuted on the 1991 Explorer (in 1990)."
Nope. I don't know who introduced it, but this was standard equipment in all station wagons in the 1960's and 1970's. Ford resurrected it in 1991 for the Explorer.
Come to think of it, most of the rear doors on those beasts opened sideways instead of up. And they weighed a ton too! Now all our kids have to do is push a button to get the hatch open. How boring. :sick:
Different strokes for different folks, scape.
We much preferred our swinging door from our 2002 CR-V to our raising hatch in our 2000 Odyssey. I doubt we'd consider the new CR-V because it now has the raising hatch, too. I doubt it would have the clearance needed to be opened in our garage like our CRV's swinger did.
I've never been in your garage (at least not that you know of :P ) but I do know that ours is 80 years old and not built to today's standards. We could easily open the Escape's hatch even with the garage door closed. We cannont do the same with the Explorer unfortunately but the glass opens no problem.
I would think the '07 CR-V's hatch would be easily opened in a more modern garage but YMMV.
The side door is of zero benefit to me personally and was a big factor in our choice of the Escape over the CR-V when we shopped them a few years ago.
We have both the Escape and the CR-V. When you unload groceries from the Escape you have to lift your arms up with the bags in them to close the hatch. While, I can do it, because I lift weights and having grocery bags in my hands is nothing to lift them up to reach the hatch to slam it down, it is MUCH MUCH easier to just slam the side openning door with grocery bags in your hands. She just uses HIP ACTION to slam the door shut when she has groceries in her hands. Try slamming the hatch with your hips when your hands are holding grocery bags.
See post above.
Also, if change is weakness, why did Ford change the 4WD system on the Escape??? Was there something wrong with the previous one? Was it contributing to all of the rollovers, wheels coming off, accelerator sticking, engine starting on fire, etc., etc., which have all been WELL documented???
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ACtually, our Odyssey had to be unloaded OUTSIDE, because the hatch would hit the garage door itself
Come to think of it, most of the rear doors on those beasts opened sideways instead of up. And they weighed a ton too! Now all our kids have to do is push a button to get the hatch open. How boring."
I was waiting for someone else to notice the difference. Yes, the glass slid into the door instead of popping up. I consider sliding into the door to be superior.
The doors in those station wagons opened either down OR sideways, whichever way you wanted to open it. This feature was reanimated with the Honda Ridgeline, and is a very functional and cool feature.
They did. A recall was issued to fix it about three years ago.
Well, for most collisions it wasn't that bad. IIRC, those seats faced backwards, which would have help stop the kids in a forward accident. But in general I agree, it was a bit dangerous. Not that I ever heard of an incident in which the "back back" passengers were injured...
I'm sure there's a good reason why we don't see seats like that anymore though.
while the cr-v owners were arguing with the escape owners about the rear access, honda was listening and agreed with us.
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it did need an air filter, so i had then put that in ($20 installed).
regarding rebates, etc... after the rebate, the cr-v ex and escape xlt are pretty close pricewise.
Swept that one under the rug really fast, great PR job by Honda.. if have to say..
Once again a Honda clan member with wrong information.. Spreading rumors and stories..Escape is NOT being discontinued...
Sure would like to see CRV owners unload parked parallel between two cars.. not going to happen we all know this.
Second, why is it if this design is so superior would Honda change it? After all it is a "progressive" company is it? Fact is the IIHS crashtests with the rear bumper, glass imploding inward on impact stories have caught up with Honda. They are on the net in other chat rooms where people have been rear ended and its not a pretty story. Yes, you can quote crash test ratings all day long, but the rear mounted spare just doesn't work, along with a swinging gate..
Also, noticed how the CRV group tried to sweep under the carpet how the TCO of the Escape is right behind the CRV. Guess they now have to stop spreading misinformation on how unreliable and bad quality the Escape is, since the evidence is staring them right in the face that says otherwise.. :P
NUMERICALLY, as in 1-10, it is right behind the CR-V. It's still $2,000 behind, though. That's like saying I finish the race two laps ahead of you and you are "right" behind me. I only got through Calc 2 back in my undergrad days; regardless, $2,000 is $2,000.
Well, that's your problem! You have to get all the way through Calc 3 to fully appreciate the nuance and subtlety.
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How did I receive it? As an insert with my vehicle registration renewal, sent from the State DMV/DVS. As mentioned earlier here, Ford needs all the help they could get. Sad...
Sure would like to see CRV owners unload parked parallel between two cars.. not going to happen we all know this.
Second, why is it if this design is so superior would Honda change it? After all it is a "progressive" company is it? Fact is the IIHS crashtests with the rear bumper, glass imploding inward on impact stories have caught up with Honda. They are on the net in other chat rooms where people have been rear ended and its not a pretty story. Yes, you can quote crash test ratings all day long, but the rear mounted spare just doesn't work, along with a swinging gate..
Also, noticed how the CRV group tried to sweep under the carpet how the TCO of the Escape is right behind the CRV. Guess they now have to stop spreading misinformation on how unreliable and bad quality the Escape is, since the evidence is staring them right in the face that says otherwise..
If you are all about the truth, what about Escape's:
Wheels falling off?
Doors openning during cornering?
Hatch latches not working and openning upon acceleration?
Wiper motors catching on fire?
Prematurely Corroding suspension parts?
...
And most importantly, Escape's inability to beat CR-V to 60 in manual or Automatic form and inability to match CR-V's fuel economy?
Comparable equipped Escape shows over and over to be more expensive (including the rebate) than comparable equipped CR-V.
Doesn't onw only get the rebate or low finance rate with Ford, NOT BOTH?
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The CR-V fires were caused by technician error.
Unlike the Escape and it's stalling engine, the CR-V had no recall related to the fire issue.
I know, it was all a conspiracy.
It really is too bad the Escape twins had such a rough launch, you'd think they were reincarnations of the Chevy Citation given the rate that the recalls appeared... and for such stupid stuff. They ride and drive quite well, and for a 5 year old design, I think its held up pretty well.
It certainly isn't a Cheapuinox which is a nast little turd wrapped in a pretty wrapper. THAT thing is atrocious, makes a Ford Escape seem built like a Benz in comparison.
That's nice, and it works for you, which is good. The point I've tried to make, which is seemingly ignored from certain folks, is that different hatch designs appeal to different people. We cannot open any kind of hatch (other than a Honda Fit, probably!) in our garage due to the fact that we have a split level house, and our hatch doesn't clear the garage door. With the side-open door of the 2002-current CR-V, we could open the door slightly (maybe 20-30 degrees, slide in and get whatever we needed out of the back...flipping the glass was no problem either if we were pulled in far enough...but no normal hatch would work for us.
I DO understand its benefits AND its flaws, but when my folks park in a deck for work and a garage at home, there's not really a worry about what happens when you paralell park.