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So, is the Escape gonna go away anytime soon, or get a redesign? Or is the Edge supposed to take the Escape's place?
So where did you get this info from?
2008 Escape
The point of the Edge is to offer a mid-size CUV (the Escape is small now by comparison) that gets decent fuel mileage, has lots and lots of power, and an interior on par with the top of the heap in it's class. All at a reasonable price. If it's a hit, Ford can take one of the nails out of the coffin.
If you want something with three rows then you'll have to look to the Pilot, Highlander, or the Mazda CX-9 which goes on sale in the Spring. The Mazda looks the most appealing to me right now as it will have the 265 HP Duratec35, AWD, three rows of seats, and here's the catch, you don't have to take a car seat out to access the third row of seats. Mazda developed some system where the second row slides forward and allows you to get back to the third row with relative ease. Pretty cool if you ask me!
I'm guessing it shall also compete with the new Unibody SUVs coming from GM? (GMC Acadia, Buick Enclave, Saturn Outlook) pictured here:
They have 3.6L engines w/ ~265hp, 3 row seating, and more interior space than a Tahoe or Suburban (if I remember correctly).
It seems the 8 passenger, unibody, V-6 Pilot started a trend! Other than MDX, was there another 7/8 passenger unibody SUV out there before the Pilot? If so, I'm not aware of it, and certainly nothing from domestics.
kind of like having a car door where the window doesn't roll down. jmo (as usual).
8 passengers, unibody, v-6? chrysler started that with the caravan.
Nope. The Freestyle will carry on as well. Look for some new styling, think Fusion/Edge grille for starters, and the 265 HP Duratec35 sometime early to mid-2007. However with the addition of the Duratec35 to the Freestyle, and Five Hundred FWIW, the CVT goes away and the GM/Ford developed 6-speed ATX takes its place.
Eventually the Escape will have to get the Duratec35, along with the Mustang and Explorer, as their engines, Duratec30 and Cologne 4.0, are goine bye bye within the next couple of years. The good news about the Duratec35 is not just that it makes 265 HP/250 ft-lbs out of the box WITHOUT VVT or anything of the sort on regular 87, but that it is hybrid and turbo/supercharge capable too. Just imagine what they can do with it in the future.
I think I liked the original plan where the Frestyle was going to be exclusive to Mercury (MetaOne) and then the Edge can go to Ford. Meanwhile, Lincoln can pluck one from each brand to "BLING" as an upper crust model.
The advantage is two fold, eleiminate the in-fighting on the Ford lots and differentiate the Merc lineup by adding an exclusive model.
Actually they'll have a mini, mid, and full size CUV when all is said and done. Most other manufacturers have either a mini/mid or mid/full combo offered.
Rumor is Ford is working on an all new mini CUV and the full size Fairlane (concept last year, name may change) CUV is already a go. When those are ready I would imagine two of the current models will disappear or their names will get moved over to the new models.
8 passengers, unibody, v-6? chrysler started that with the caravan.
The Murano, RX350, and Highlander are different though; they only seat 5. The Pilot seats 8, and debuted in 2002... not sure of any that seated more than the average minivan (7) before then.
True about the minivan; it's still the best alternative to those moving people more than cargo/trailers.
I would still put the Pilot/Edge closer than the Pilot/Freestyle. The Pilot seats 8 versus 6 for the Freestyle, as well as has a locking 50-50 4WD system, something that I don't believe the Freestyle offers. It also has the high-up SUV height position that most SUV shoppers want, whereas the Freestyle is more tall-wagon-esque, offering more of a station-wagon style.
I'd put it at Escape-CRV (5 seaters), Edge-Pilot(7/8 seaters), with Freestyle (6-seater) on its own.
Maybe we can agree to disagree, it's no biggie.
The Edge only seats 5 and the Freestyle can seat up to 7. Something new in the next year or two will be the 7/8 seater for Ford.
FWIW, I'd like to see you, or anyone else for that matter, fit 8 people comfortably in a Pilot. My Explorer has more third row room in it but Ford only recommends 2 people sit back there and rightfully so.
You have obviously never driven a Freestyle. The seating position is very high - it seems very similar to the position I had in my CR-V. And you don't have to climb into the seats - you just move straight in.
I can fit into the FS third row - comfortably, and I'm 6 feet. The design is simply outstanding. The FS is styled very much like the Explorer. I have seen the FS and the Explorer from a high rise, and they look almost identical.
The FS is a couple inches wider and a couple inches lower. It doesn't tow much (2000 lb), but gets 30% or so better MPG than the Explorer. It gets better highway MPG than the Pilot, though the in-town can be around 19, which isn't much better than the pilot.
I'm not sure how you find it "obvious", but I have ridden in it's cousin, a Five Hundred.
The Edge, last I heard from Ford, came with a 3rd row seat option for a few hundred dollars. If that doesn't seat 7, how many does it seat?
I wasn't trying to knock one car or another, I was only making a prediction of how I think these cars will be compared in the market.
The Freestyle, to me, screams station wagon. That doesn't bother me, as I even liked our (gasp!) minivan we had for nearly 6 years. Very practical, good on gas for its size...
The Edge and Pilot have the look of SUVs, whereas the Freestyle looks similar to the Chrysler Pacifica wagon. Honestly, I think I like the looks of the Freestyle the best out of all the cars mentioned in this conversation; the Pilot is starting to look old, the Explorer screams bland, the Edge looks like my Gilette razor on the front, while the Freestyle is more like an Audi Allroad Wagon... clean, contemporary, and just a little bland (I'm ok with bland, it keeps cars from looking out-of-date after ten years!)
Hope you don't mind, I responded to two posts with just one answer.
It was "obvious" because you would have known of the high seating position if you'd driven or ridden on a FS. If you haven't ridden in the FS, you haven't experienced how much the driving position resembles an SUV. Also, most 500's don't have the CVT of the FreeStyle.
I also did not mean to be critical, but the driving position was one of the big selling points of the FreeStyle for me.
If you look at the FS, the roof over the third seat is raised by about 2 inches. The roofline is cleverly hidden by the roof rails.
I don't think the Edge will have that kind of room.
A third row seat will not be an option from the go. Ford did ask visitors to the Edge site if they would be interested but it was purely for research purposes at this point. I've seen an Edge in person and it is a very nice vehicle but I don't see how they could squeeze a third row in there without lengthening the chassis.
the '3rd' row for the 'edge' is listed under possible future options.
Don't fret grad! See below and know that you're not the first one to think that.
"Welcome to the 2007 Edge Preview site. This site allows you to provide us with information on how you want to see the Edge. The information on this site is for survey purposes only - the features and prices on this site will change before the Edge goes on sale this fall. The information on this site may change frequently, so don't be surprised if things look different next time you come back. Thank you for helping us build the 2007 Ford Edge!"
That text is light gray in color and appears right under the AWD/FWD choice on the first page of the Edge "Build and Price" system. They did the same thing for the Fusion a while back and somehow deemed the SAB/SAC package should be an option on that car. :confuse: They've since changed their minds.
FWIW the Edge will have SAB/SAC, ABS, TC, and AdvanceTrac with RSC standard when it comes out. The Escape won't have 75% of those as standard as far as I know but the Edge does cost more. The extra 65 HP and 50 ft-lbs of torque are worth the extra $$ for the Edge IMO.
it's all in funnin'.
If you want to see the whole thing let me know (I highly doubt it!!).
For dealers, 63's a crowd
Fewer area Ford stores might lead to greater sales, some believe
By Rick Popely
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 17, 2006
Longtime Ford dealer John Guido worries about losing customers not only to Toyota and Honda stores, but also about having them poached by other Ford outlets.
That's because Ford has 63 dealers in an eight-county area around Chicago that includes northwestern Indiana.
"There's no question you can go five or eight miles and find another Ford dealer," said Guido, one of the owners of Arlington Heights Ford. "I'm right in the middle of a bunch of them."
Few tears were shed by Guido or others when Bert Weinman Ford, a mainstay on Chicago's North Side, closed last month. Guido says Ford could stand to lose more.
"We've got too many dealers. If we had 50, we'd all be rocking and rolling," said Guido, president of Ford's local dealer advertising group, noting that Ford sales are declining here and nationally. "With this many, it's tough."
As Ford--and GM--seek to recover from financial troubles, reducing the number of dealerships wouldn't directly help the companies get back on their feet. But there would be benefits. As domestic manufacturers try to wean consumers from discounts and sell their vehicles on their merits, that task becomes harder with so many dealers trying to outdo each other on price, said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research.
It's an issue that foreign makers like Toyota and Honda don't have to deal with because they have limited the number of dealerships.
Domestic dealers "are going to wind up selling on price, no matter what the manufacturer says," Spinella said. "If they really want to get transaction prices in line with sticker prices, they need fewer dealers.
General Motors' dealers are in the same boat as Ford's, according to Chicago Auto Outlook, a publication produced for the Chicago Automobile Trade Association. For example, there are 71 Chevrolet stores in the area, the same number as four years ago. But Chevy's retail sales here have been falling--4.2 percent last year alone, to 46,299.
Ford's dropped 4.3 percent, to 36,511. Long the No. 2 brand with Chicagoans behind Chevy, Ford now ranks third behind Toyota, whose retail sales grew 8.4 percent last year, to 42,730. Honda's were up 2.3 percent, to 34,848.
But Toyota and Honda dealer ranks are not growing. Toyota has held steady since 2002 at 29 locally and Honda has remained at 25.
So the average Toyota and Honda dealer now sells twice as many new vehicles per year as their Chevrolet and Ford rivals, making their franchises more profitable and valuable.
honda has less dealers than ford where i live, but it isn't all that far off, maybe 3:2.
Was your average speed around 65 MPH?
With 317 miles that works out to about 60 mph.
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Of course, it helped that the family went to sleep around 11:00 pm...
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Well, this room has died.. The wifes Trib turned 35,000 trouble free miles.. looks like it on its way to being pretty reliable..
I think you just rattled on about how unreliable Ford is supposed to be, it wasn't Honda owners saying it, it's always you...like when you said "MY unreliable Escape went to about 75,000 miles before I traded it?"
You don't seem to be pretty sure though, I sense some doubt from the "it looks like" wording. That means a huge party being thrown if it gets to 50K I guess.
Well, this room has died.. The wifes Trib turned 35,000 trouble free miles.. looks like it on its way to being pretty reliable..
If it were so reliable, why trade it in at 75,000 miles and not keep it until at least 300,000?
I sold my Civic when she reached 250,000 miles. I still have the Prelude with 127,000 miles, and the CR-V is still a baby at 15,000 miles. All trouble free. Just needed regular maintenance.
Wanted something different..
Does my mother and father in laws Taurus at about 155,000 count? or my old Ranger at 110,000? or my moms 1992 Escort at about 135,000? How about my neighbors 1998 Ford Explorer with 180,000? I too can find folks with high mileage Fords. As much as some want to preach Fords don't last.. Blah, Blah, Blah.. :shades:
Does my mother and father in laws Taurus at about 155,000 count? or my old Ranger at 110,000? or my moms 1992 Escort at about 135,000? How about my neighbors 1998 Ford Explorer with 180,000? I too can find folks with high mileage Fords. As much as some want to preach Fords don't last.. Blah, Blah, Blah.."
I don't disagree that some Fords last. However, here in SoCal cars do not rust, and I see many more 10 - 20 year old Hondas than I do similar age Fords.
Once again, you're preaching Ford's own gloom and doom, not others. Maybe the only one affected by media bias has been you? :confuse:
So what did you trade for? I see you posting in Honda Accord vs. Ford Focus and Honda Accord vs. Mazda 6. One of those? You used to own an Accord, did you buy another?
Actually, since it seems to be your duty to defend the Ford brand I sure hope you put your money where your mouth is and bought another Ford product.
Well, this room has died..
Died? I guess when Ford introduces it's next small SUV to replace the ancient Escape the room will come alive (albeit under a different title).