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And how many Escapes did Ford sell in October?
Ford's U.S. Sales Rise for the 2nd Straight Month (earthtimes.org)
Not to steal Varmint's thunder, but here's another sales blurb on the CR-V:
"Sales of the all-new 2007 Honda CR-V totaled 20,413, representing an increase of 95.7 percent in its first full month of sales while shattering the previous all-time record by 3,744 units from July 2005."
All-New CR-V Sets All-Time Sales Record (Yahoo)
I recently bot an '07 CR-V EX-L that will eventually be my daughter's car. I want it to last 10 years. I really liked the Mercury Mariner ('Scape) too. But here is what I asked myself:
In 5-6 years, which vehicle is going to have the least odds of generating "dad, the light is on/won't start/dealer wants $1500/help" calls. End of discussion.
Remember, Consumer Reports says that an 8 year old Honda has less defects than a 3 year old Ford. Case closed. And this is from a guy who LIKES Fords.
How is he going to tow his 6500 lbs trailer that he boasted Escape did?
It was probably the poor fuel economy that made him look for a Sedan. I hope he got a 4 cylinder Fusion, because the V6 will drink just as much as Escape did.
what is a 'defect'?
our '04 escape has had some issues. it still is a good vehicle to live with.
i took it on a trip in september, about 900 miles. overall, averaged 23 mpg, same as epa highway. pretty good considering the conditions of the trip. the most important part was that is was a good road trip vehicle.
CR works for some people, but not everyone.
FV Report: 2008 Ford Escape undisguised (Straightline)
Yuck. :lemon:
That's also a poor quality picture mind you. Kid of whitewahsed and too much light.
Sure I did. How do you think I knew to point out that it is a hybrid in those pictures? I too don't really like the exterior all that much but you still have to remember that you're looking at a pre-production hybrid which could be totally different from the mainstream model XLT. Let's wait for more pics of the big seller before passing judgement. Hybrid owners obviously don't care as much for looks right? :P
On another topic, just to get ahead of the curve, recalls happen.
It doesn't say where those photos were taken, when they were taken, or that they are of the copy that will appear at the L.A. or any other auto show. How then do you come to such a conclusion?
I fully understand how you can think it's ugly but you're not looking at pictures that are even half decent. Plus it's white. How many vehicles do you know of that look great in white? Wait for the official production version to pass judgement.
It also still has a black rear bumper and some other unpainted trim pieces. Do you think those will make it to production too? It's a semi-ready for production mule and that's it.
A defect is when the leather in the seat wears out at 25,000 miles (like my '99 Explorer). A defect is when the airbag light comes on at 20,000 miles and requires three trips to the dealer to fix it. ('99 Explorer). A defect is when the emergency brake pads need to be replaced because the cable froze up ('99 Explorer). A defect is when your 21 year old daughter calls and says: "Dad, the Ford "check engine" light is on AGAIN.
It can happen with Honda too. But if you had to bet $25,000 on one versus the other, c'mon......
And the photo quality, on my monitor is quite good.....time to buy a LCD.
"Complaints of engine compartment fires in Ford (F.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Escape sport utility vehicles has prompted an investigation by U.S. safety regulators, the government said on Friday.
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration preliminary review covers more than 600,000 vehicles from the 2001-03 model years and includes the Mazda Tribute, which has some similar design features. No complaints were received about the Mazda vehicle."
Fires in 2001-2003 Escape and Tribute
peronally, if feel a 25k escape or cr-v is over priced.
my wife wanted an escape limited, so i worked to get the best deal i could on one. neither is the be all - end all of vehicles.
check the cr-v forums, they don't give me any confidence.
None of the forums are very confidence inspiring... A lot more people are willing to voice their opinion when they have had bad service from a vehicle than those that have no problem.
Just my thoughts on all the forums.
Enthuasists forums have a tendency to be long on opinions and very short on facts. The expectations of buyers posting here and other places seems to be of a flawless vehicle. Even here, people seem to think 25K is an expensive car, yet sales statistics show they are not, when you look at what the majority are actually buying.....
Sorry.
If you read the article you'd notice that the exterior is white and that is what I was referring to. You also asked a few posts back if I even looked at the link. Obviously I did if I saw the exterior pics. Did you?
That is a mule in those pictures. A close to production mule, yes, but still a test mule. Have patience and stop calling it the production version please.
And the photo quality, on my monitor is quite good.....time to buy a LCD.
I'm viewing them on a 17" widescreen Gateway laptop with an upgraded display. No need for a crappy little LCD here. :P
Nice laptop, btw!
Mark.
The Escape has always been on an early schedule and it's early release has nothing to do with financials. For example, we bought our 2005 Escape in February 2004 and the 2006 Escape hit the dealers in February 2005. See the pattern?
I thought it was kind of odd when they started doing that too but it's not unusual. The GMC/Chevy full size SUVs were released as 2007 models this past Jan. or Feb. just in time for the Olympics.
Ford has been doing this with the Escape for roughly 3 years now and I really can't explain why. Maybe a seasonal thing?
It is a sales device, pure and simple.
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'Nuff said!
'Nuff said! "
Nope, not enough said. I heard this over and over from folks just like you that my 01 Escape was going to be unreliable and in the shop. After 75,000 trouble free miles I was still waiting for this predication from the Honda crowd@! Take a look at the Reliability ratings at MSN.. or better yet The Escape comes in just a few points behind the CRV in I believe it was TCO here at Edmunds.
I no longer own the Escape but my wife has an 04 Mazda V6 ES AWD with now 35,000 trouble free miles!@ Quit spreading misconceptions. Honda no longer has the reliability card locked up. By the way the new CRV is terrible looking. Why did Honda move the tire from the rear if this was such a superior vehicle/design??
Why don't we practice what we preach.
He quoted a published study; nothing wrong with that, so give him a break. If he was saying something untrue (if CR DID NOT publish a study with those results), then he should rescend what he said, but don't get mad if what he is saying is fact.
The majority of times I've heard anyone speak of the issue of Ford being unreliable, its been you. You seem to be compensating for something.
Nothing changes (see an example)
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