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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII

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  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    I'm also just stating my opinion.

    Here's the pics for my truck:
    link

    It's a colorkey SR5 package, with everything silver, except mirrors (color-keyed mirrors were discontinued). No chrome whatsoever.

    BFG Trails may be cheap and crappy, but were they were tires that 4x4 mag used in the tests? Lets put it this way....they do the job well.

    TRD is not the ultimate offroad package. It's more or less as far as Toyota might be willing to go to provide some basis for comfortable offroading without putting the onroad performance at risk. If you want more functionality, do the mods yourself. The market for it is huge.
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    actually I think the Tacoma does have foglights. I agree with you about the tow hooks, though. toyota should have added one in back. oh well, it's a pretty easy (and cheap) mod nonetheless.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    those lights you see are turn signals and parking lights. they fool though. maybe on the s-runner they're fogs, but not on 4x4's. the towhooks (are there even two up front?) are weak when compared to the ford's.
    scorp- sweet truck.

    FX4 is only ranger to get rear two hook stock. its just a place on the frame though, so one can be bolted up anytime.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Yes, I have a 3.73 limited slip diff.. I ordered my Ranger from the factory this way, with offroad pkg.
    I just wish Ford would wake up and put some better tires on their Rangers. At least they got rid of those damn Firejunkers.. :-)
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    You only need tow hooks if you get stuck. Consequently, Toyota didn't have to make them as heavy duty as the perpetually stuck Fords. Maybe it's all that "jumping" that you Ranger guys do???
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    you know i try to make this convo civil, and then i get a totally intelligent response like that from you. but its good to see that you actually notice one thing on the ford that is more heavy duty than the toyota. keep looking, and you'll notice the tiny frame dimensions on the tacoma, not to mention the pencil sized driveshafts compared to ranger's.

    one more thing- what's "jumping" got to do with using towhooks? still wondering on that one.

    scape2- with all due respect (don't get pissed, i just like to get to the bottom of things), im wondering how you got ford to build you an off-road equipped truck with only 3.73's. the standard is 4.10's with no option otherwise. are you sure on this? cuz if so, it'd make for one very rare ranger model. i'd check your build tag on the driver door. also, what do you think of the awesome 4.0 SOHC going in the ranger now?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    You got me?? I just walked into a Ford Dealership in 1998 and went through the list for the Ranger. I did not want 4.10 because of MPG reasons and I wasn't going to tow anything heavy anyway.. The paperwork I got was a print out from the Dealership showing a 3.73 rearend ratio. Might they have pulled a fast one on me...
    maybe?
    I think the 4.0 SOHC was a very good response to the Toyota 3.4 along with the Chevy 4.3 in terms of HP/Torque. I know the Toyota crowd hates this but.. the HP/Torque curve on the Ranger is better for truck use.. You don't have to rev the heck out of the engine to get the torque you need and it comes faster also. Of course I wish I could have this engine in my 98 Ranger.. The 160HP and push-rod technology is getting old.. A new Ranger may be in order in about 3 years.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    the older 4.0 is growing gray, but remember, torque makes a truck work. and your 4.0 still has more torque than the toyota 3.4.

    you may want to check your msrp window sticker, it will tell you what gear ratio you have. also, on your build tag it will say.

    it really isn't a big deal. i just thought that if you did have a factory 3.73 off-roader, that'd be pretty cool. of course, no one else on earth would really give two hoots, but people like us truck fanatics do care.

    im looking at a new jeep liberty sport right now with the new 3.7 liter, it has 4.10's in it too. it is faster than the SOHC'D ranger i had. it runs hard. later
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Why do you think that Consumer Reports picked the Tacoma as the most reliable compact truck from 1994 - 2001? Do you think Toyota paid them off?
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    dont know, dont care. i guess the people that matter didn't read those issues did they? you always fall back on those magazines dont you?

    also, the tacoma did not exist in '94 "ALLKNOWING".
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    What difference does it make whether you have 1, 2, 4, 10, upfront, behind, on the side, under the truck bed, on truck top, etc. tow hooks? One we have seems to do the job, and we don't have to show it to people. "Look, ma! I got them big towhooks".
    I was at the Den in San Antonio today again, offroading with 2 other tacos. We were sitting around making fun of other trucks (dodges) overlooking the mud pit when an old SAS'ed 198x Toy pickup came around and got stuck in the mud (it was a basher, no 4x4, nearly bold mudder tires). So the 4-banger regcab 4x4 we had with us went down to pull him out. One tug, and it's all it took. Didn't need a big beefy tow hook for it. Didn't need 2 of them. 1 is all that was needed.

    as far as mags go: well......do you know of any other UNBIASED RELIABLE source of information regarding Tacoma vs. Ranger? The 4x4 truck of the year contest was not good enough. You don't have to quote the "It's a bestseller truck" line, we've heard it many times and people agree that it means squat.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    scorpio> "You don't have to quote the "It's a bestseller truck" line, we've heard it many times and people agree that it means squat."

    exactly scorpio- just like your magazine articles. if in fact the "MAGAZINES" meant "squat", dont you think that their opinions would coincide with the buying public's buying preferences?

    but isn't the real world a little more convincing than what a magazine SAYS? i mean, i can SAY that the dodge omni was the most reliable and greatest car of the '80's. but just because that was said doesn't mean the buying public went out and bought one. it's one person's opinion. case in point with the tacoma. i can see the 1994 tacoma being the most reliable truck though, beins that it never existed.

    scorpio- one question. how would you tow your truck out from the rear if it was buried in mud? no hitch. nah, i wouldn't want a nice towhook back there. man, even ford explorers have rear towhooks on them. dont knock them just cuz you don't have them. every real 4x4 vehicle should have them. not a dinky ONE hidden under the bumper, so you can bend your bumper all up when using it. ask any real off-roader, they wouldn't go anywhere without towhooks if they could have them.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    What is the "real world"? Just because a million idiots jumped off a cliff, would you do the same...clearly, 1 million people have found it to be the greatest thing on earth.
    Real offroaders don't go anywhere without winches, not towhooks.
    The towhooks are bolted to the frame directly. All you have to do is run a chain over the frame. It's no rocket science, tbunder. As far as bending the bumper goes: well, the 4-banger did not bend its bumper up. Neither did I, when I was pulling a 4x4 Ranger out of mud 5 month ago on my first trip to San Ant.
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    They must cost under 20 bucks a piece. So how is it bad to have more of them given to you free from the dealership? (And mounted and ready for use in a safe place, given the situation arises)

    I think I've found a method of this debate. If the other truck has it or is supported by it, it doesn't mean squat, because you choose a different truck...
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    allknowing is still around.. I wonder where spoog went to??? the good old days.
    Same old stories.. Toyota pulling a Ranger out.
    I wonder why the Ranger has been the best seller for over 15 years straight.. Don't you think that after 15 years the tide would have turned if the Tacoma was so superior? and so much more reliable? Check msn.carpoint and look under the used vehicle reliability data. The Toyota crowd hates this site, even called it bogus and not true at one point if I remember. You will be surprised at what you find. Ranger proves to be pretty darn reliable....
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    Lets see if you can answer this:
    Mazda B-series is a Ranger with duct tape over the Ford logo, or at least has been until couple years ago. The sales for B-series, however, have been in a hole for years....it sells less than Tacoma.
    Now why would that be? They are even offering longer warranty. If Ranger is such a great truck then B-series should have rocked, and it would be #2 selling compact, following Ranger closely.
    I don't know why that is. In part it might be that Mazda does not offer as many configs as Ford. Mainly I think it's because Mazda is not a US company.
    As far as used vehicle reliability: If toyota trucks are so unreliable, there would be plenty of them sitting around the used car lots with nobody wanting to buy one. I don't see that happening. I got few used car lots around where I live, and every time I drive by I see Explorers, Rangers, Silverados on the lot. Haven't seen a Toy truck there yet.
    I'll admit that Tacoma has some problems. Like squeaking dash, that's fixed with $5 worth of purchases at your nearest Home Depot.
    As for comments on the msn site...I like this one in particular:
    "foren piece of crappe" by "all american boy from the U.S.A"
    Pros: nothing
    Cons: its not American.
    Review: This truck sucks just like all the other none american vehicals. By a ford its a real truck

    Is this what you mean by used vehicle reliability data? Everything about that comment spells "I'm a hillbilly, my name is Billy Bob, I have 10 dogs living under my trailer, I hate Nips".
    Majority of people on the carpoint seem to be praising the truck, and few comments like one from Billy Bob...they all say one thing: dash rattles. Well, it's not rattling in my truck. Nor have I got any leaks (yeah, it rains once a month in Austin, but when it does, it pours). I like to think I drive my truck harder than most people. I spent 1.5 hours washing mud off it yesterday. If those reviews are right, hte dash should have fallen off by now, doors would not stop any water, and engine would knock itself from my truck. It's still running fine, though. Just to be fair...have you looked at used Ranger reviews? Tacoma and Ranger run about the same in ratio of "good/bad" in 2002 and 2001 that I saw. Just Ranger severity of problems is higher.

    Toyota pulling a Ranger out: yep. It got stuck. I have pictures if you think I'm making it up. However, the point was that I was still able to pull him out without bending the bumper up, like tbunder claimed it would happen.
  • rickc5rickc5 Member Posts: 378
    As we all know, Toyota does not provide a rear tow hook on its pickups. On all five of my 4x4 Toyota trucks ('86-'99), I bolted an aftermarket hook in the middle of the rear bumper.

    On several occasions, I pulled unfortunates out of mud bogs and snow drifts. Never did I "bend the bumper" in any way.

    Even though I now own a new Ranger, I just wanted to set the record straight that Toyota's rear bumpers are stout enough to endure periodic towing WITHOUT damage. BTW- I always used a nylon strap.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    LOL, thanx for the support Rick!
  • midnight_stangmidnight_stang Member Posts: 862
    All I can say about Mazda Sales vs Ranger sales is this... In the North Dallas area, there are at least 6 different Ford dealerships within 20 miles, and 1 Mazda dealership in the area. Maybe people just don't look to "import" brands as often as they look towards "domestic" brands when looking for trucks? Overall data would suggest so.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Good point, the Tacoma came out in 95 didn't it. I just repeated the info in someone else's post. I don't read Consumer Reports but the Ford guys here have used it often stating that other mags are biased and bought off. Now that Consumer Reports rates the Tacoma the best in reliability (which it obviously is), no Ford guys seem to have anything to say. The ranger is nice and has nice features, however, it has a ways to go to equal Toyota's general reliability.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    Believe it or not Vince, I'm glad that you're still doing OK.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    scorp- check this out.


    http://www.jeepjamboreeusa.com/cmf.htm


    looks like the "king of off-roaders" wouldn't even be able to participate in this event.

  • issisteelmanissisteelman Member Posts: 124
    I will tell you one thing about my Tacoma that I just discovered that I don't like. The bed is not very strong. I've been doing a lot of snow machining and using the Tacoma to carry my sled around. Well, one day I drove my sled into the back of my truck a little hard and the skis of the sled slammed into the back of the bed. As a result, the bed bent back like it was an aluminum beer can. It bent back so much that it hit the back of my cab. With a little effort I was able to pull the bed enough away from the cab so that the two wouldn't rub together. So, as I've said before, Toyota's are not perfect. The engine is reliable and the truck can go anywhere but the bed is not very strong. Take care.......Steelman.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    Tacoma has a tow hook, so what's your point? I think that if few ttora members with SAS'ed flatbed tacos, 35s tires, winches and steel bumbers (and no towhooks) showed up there, they'd get in easily.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    The exact same thing happened to my buddy the other day. Only he has a full size Chevy. He hit it with a four-wheeler and it bucked it in so far that the back glass popped out. Everyone makes the beds pretty weak in that spot. One day, I wanna weld a bar back there and mount some flood lights so that I can have good lighting for camping and some reinforcement. Ive seen some people who have done this and it looks great.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    yeah, i have a buddy too. he has a hummer and a trd ran right over it. whatever.

    anyways, in my racing days, i use to ride my 125 up a ramp and slam into the front of the bed extremely hard to stop me. it was a full-sized F150, late 80's models and early 90 models as my dad traded each year. NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER did it dent or even once intrude into the cab. i bet if i would have done the same on my ranger, it would not dent either. like i said earlier, the toyotas are nice, but very weak structurally. a truck has to be more than just suspension and locking axles. all one has to do is compare the hidden stuff between ranger and tacoma-ie the axles, frame width, driveshafts, etc, the ranger is BUILT on a higher scale than tacoma and tundra.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    That don't make em like they used to. He had nothing but paint chipping off. He just traded for a new Chevy Z71. I feel bad that I could not turn him. He had to have the $2002 cash back.
    I agree that they need to be strong, but I hardly believe that any compact is built as stout as any of the 80s full size trucks. I hate it as much as you. Yotas aren't liking much. Besides, find me some info about Yota axles being weaker (not smaller). They don't fail. Never heard of a failed driveshaft, and I talk to some people who beat the hell out of their trucks. Why can't a company get some credit when smaller components are just as good? It sux. Ill go look for that pic of the F250 with the frame flex all to hell and back. You can compare it to Yotas' and see whether wider means better.
  • smgillessmgilles Member Posts: 252
    Tbunder... Of course it didn't bend. Don't you remember??? You drive superman trucks.

    I have to put my waders on just to read your usual BS.

    "One time I landed 747 in the back of my Ranger, you know the one with the 207hp 4.0 that is smooth as silk and is the best thing since sliced bread. It didn't hurt anything, didn't even scratch the paint. Good thing I had 2 tow hooks to help strap it down."

    Better yet the plane may have been welded to the bed!!!!

    Thanks for the usual chuckles.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    thank you for the usual "im the biggest retard on edmunds" post.

    do you realize how stupid you come across? hey, its not my fault your pos toyota can't even handle a snowmobile or 4-wheeler. can you say junk? how about weak? dont even believe it when an actual owner touts it do you? you really are naive aren't you? and im sorry you're so jealous of the more powerful SOHC 4.0. id be too though if i still drove a timing belt equipped under-powered 4x4 truck.

    thank you for the reminder that you're the biggest moron on here.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    Now take it EZ fellas. Take it back, tbunder. "POS?" and "underpowered?" Im not gonna stand for such basphemy. LOL. Stop hurting my feelings.
  • smgillessmgilles Member Posts: 252
    You are right I do drive a POS and it is underpowered. How will I ever live with myself. Please recant everything you said so I can fill better about myself and my tiny tin can truck. The retarded comment is a bit precarious. I am not the one with the cerebral problems of which the etiology is unknown.

    I shall digress back to my moronic state and live in denial of my worthless truck.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    sad, well compared to the SOHC, it is down on power and torque. and getting damage just from loading an atv in it, well, that's weak imo. a ford does not damage near that easily. last week while pulling a tree down that got stuck while falling (with the 4-banger 205,000 miled ranger), a part of a branch fell on the tailgate of my dad's old crappy 4-banger 4x4 ranger. didn't dent at all. you can't beat the toughness of any ford truck. old or new. anytime a comparison between an import and a ford truck, i laugh. you all are so naive and blind. and really just want the toyota name, thinking it means something. well, it does. thin body and weak frames.

    they do look nice though. and wheel pretty good too. but any work is out of the question.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    That might back up those comments you stick by so well. I was trying to laugh this off, but my smiles are clearing up rather quickly. I have never "worked" a Ranger. Thus, I do not say what they can and can't do. Same with you and Yotas. I have seen the same thing happen to Yotas as you have seen happen to Fords. ITS NO DIFFERENT. Hell, with that last post -- calling me naive is like the pot calling the kettle black. It was all fairly light-hearted until you said I really just wanted the Toyota name. Thats just stupid. Practice what you preach and start using your brain before you write crap like that.

    That tree obviously must have been pretty small and rotten to be pulled down so easily by a truck that is, according to you, underpowered and crappy. "PART of a branch" -- and your surprised it didn't dent the truck. Give me a f'in break. Let me ram my Foreman into the back of your truck and lets se what happens.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    You are looking in the wrong place for reliability data for Toyota trucks/Tacoma's. I don't know where you got this quote from?? There are clear charts and comments showing the reliability and problems with Toyota trucks/Tacoma trucks.
    As far as the Mazda not being number 2 in sales?? I would have to say its because there 10 Ford dealerships for every Mazda dealership, and Mazda doesn't offer the B series in as many configurations as Ford does the RAnger. I would also say there are at least 5 Toyota dealerships for every Mazda dealership also.
    If you read back, way way back you will find a name "Vince8". I pulled a few Toyotas out of tough spots, even helped a guy whose Tacoma left him stranded up in the middle of nowhere, about 15 miles to the nearest halfway traveled road. Also have a friend with a TRD. He has had his problems, even tried to hide them from me. He wanted so bad to "bury" my Ranger and "leave me in the dust" He couldn't.
    Tacomas aren't perfect, there are plenty of other chat rooms around the net with some ticked off owners that have learned this also. I left this room because I was tired of the same old stuff. I have a Ranger that has proven to be every bit as reliable and offroad capable as any Tacoma, TRD or non TRD. Maybe its my experience with offroading that makes the Ranger perform? I don't know, all I know it get me where I want to go and has never let me down. I know I paid at least 2-3K less for a like optioned Tacoma in 1998.
    See you in the Cascades.... Drive smart.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I have to agree with your statement ""im the biggest retard on edmunds". Although unintended, you couldn't describe yourself any better. I also enjoyed your "back in my racing days" comment....HA HA!!! I find it interesting that guys like you feel the need to make things up and put down other people in an attempt to cover up your lack of knowledge.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    until i see toyota's out in the timber pulling stuck trees down after being cut down and falling on another and part of the tree landing on the truck and not even damaging it, i won't give toyota any respect. people don't buy toyota's to work them, they buy them cuz they are cheap (non SR5 trucks) and get good mileage, and are supposed to have a good warranty. we all know how good that powertrain warranty is now- if something goes wrong, its YOUR fault. i know of a couple old toyotas around my hometown community. neither one of those could go haul a load of wood out of the timber- cuz they now have flatbeds on them cuz the original bed has rusted off. it sounds like you need the experience. us ford owners HAVE worked our trucks, you guys just use yours as transportation. even scorp won't go cruise the ditches, calling even that abuse. whatever. im sorry, but toyota builds their trucks for looks, and that's it. why do you think they build pre-runners? so people can have the "look" of a 4x4. not knocking your truck, but it really is just a camry with a bed and raised suspension isn't it? ford trucks walk the walk, and toyotas just talk. that's the whole difference.
  • tbundertbunder Member Posts: 580
    just cuz you have no natural talent for anything other than coming on edmunds and sounding like a moron, doesn't mean others haven't had success in extra-curricular activities or other hobbies. i don't "make stuff up" like yourself obviously. i raced for eight years and would love to pound some bars with you. unfortunately, guys like you wouldn't have the guts to keep the throttle on all the way into the first turn. you make me laugh at how wimpy you probably are. and your truck choice totally backs your persona up. the toyota truck is a "poser", and so are you. you also need to practice up on your reading comprehension abilities.
  • rickc5rickc5 Member Posts: 378
    you have been bordering on obnoxious lately. This forum is NOT about demeaning others. It is intended to be a level playing ground where adults can debate the plusses and minuses of Tacomas and Rangers WITHOUT getting personal.

    After owning six Toyota pickups, including two Tacomas, I will likely never buy another. There are MANY things I don't like about the Tacoma, most of them very subjective. My intense dislike of the Tacoma (and most things Toyota) does not give me the right to make personal attacks on others, such as calling them morons. That's just acting badly, IMHO.

    Please back off a bit, and stick to facts, or your own personal opinions.
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    are you like this in real life, or just online?
  • issisteelmanissisteelman Member Posts: 124
    Hey, I knew my comment about the bed of my Tacoma would get some people going regarding Tacoma quality. Listen, my only point was that Tacoma's aren't perfect. If you work a truck like a truck should be worked, they will all experience problems (some minor, some major) at some point. They are machines, and no machine is perfect (not even Tbunder's Ranger, no matter what BS he posts on this web site).

    The fact that my bed bent back into my cab as I slammed into it with an 800 lb. snow machine (at about 10 mph) doesn't mean that I now believe my Tacoma is junk. The bed strength is a flaw that (in my opinion) should probably be corrected by the Toyota engineers. However, I still love the truck and I still believe that a Toyota engine is one of the most reliable in the industry. And, I still think that Rangers are kind of crappy and wouldn't buy one if it was the last compact on the face of the planet. And, no compact is as strong as a full sized pick up. So for TBunder to compare an 80's full sized Ford to a Tacoma is kind of a compliment.

    Furthermore, I was simply trying to prove to the pro-Ranger fans (Tbunder in particular) that a subjective owner of any vehicle is not afraid to point out the flaws of that vehicle. I mean, come on Tbunder, how can any of us really read your posts without laughing out loud when you tell us repeatedly that your Ranger is so perfect and has never given you even the slightest problem. Either you are the luckiest vehicle owner on the face of this planet or your Ford Ranger has never left your garage.

    Take care and I'll see you in the woods doing some fishing..............Steelman.
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    "The fact that my bed bent back into my cab as I slammed into it with an 800 lb. snow machine (at about 10 mph) doesn't mean that I now believe my Tacoma is junk"

    -I guess I can't imagine any truck not getting a good dent from having this happen.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    but he doesn't have one anymore.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    until i see Ford's out in the timber pulling stuck trees down after being cut down and falling on another and part of the tree landing on the truck and not even damaging it, i won't give Ford any respect. people don't buy Ford's to work them, they buy them cuz they are cheap (all of em) and get good mileage, and are supposed to have a good warranty because they need it. we all know how good that powertrain warranty is now- if something goes wrong, which it will, its YOUR fault. i know of a couple old Fords around my hometown community. neither one of those could go haul a load of wood out of the timber- cuz they now have flatbeds on them cuz the original bed has rusted off. it sounds like you need the experience. us Toyota owners HAVE worked our trucks, you guys just use yours as transportation. even scorp won't go cruise the ditches, calling even that abuse. whatever. im sorry, but Ford builds their trucks for cheapness, and that's it. why do you think they are so inexpensive? Toyota trucks walk the walk, and Fords just talk. that's the whole difference

    As for my truck, you have gone and done it. How stupid are you? I outdo 4x4 nissans all the time with my locker, wherever he wants to go. Ive got more ground clearance than Rangers, now. How is that like a camry. They build prerunners for people who cant afford and don't use 4x4 that much. Any other reason is just bogus (ie. your reason). I will take my truck just about anywhere around here that 4x4s can go. You won't believe that til you ride with me, but its true.

    I don't know what the hell has gotten into you but this is not like you at all. What happened to respecting each other? I understand your extreme hatred for these trucks but fail to see any backing. Oh by the way, the first paragraph is not necessarily my thoughts, just an example of how things can go either way, neither way being any more true or false than the other. I don't know what Yotas you see, and you don't know what Fords I see.
  • allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    "us ford owners HAVE worked our trucks".....Ha HA!!! You're killing me tbunder....... Make up another good one for us.......
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    You just as bad as tbunder, you come in hear knocking the Ranger.. Yet its OK?? Why? Please explain how the Ranger is cheap? What about those great crashtests on the Tacoma? www.crashtest.com to take a peak at past Toyota's and Tacoma's... and compare it to the RAnger.. The sheetmetal on a Tacoma is thinner. Park a Ranger and Tacoma side by side. Examine the doors, hood, fenders, there is a difference in thickness of the metals.
    As far as "working" a truck.. I feel pretty confident my Ranger has worked, pulled, hauled, towed, trailed as much if not more than your Tacoma over the last 4 years of service..
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    Tell me how I have knocked the Ranger when it wasn't in mere defense of Tacos. Another frequent of the board told me a couple of weeks ago that he hated Tacos only b/c Yota owners were so cocky and blind. I totally understood that and specifically made it a point not to blindly knock the Ranger or other vehicles (although Im not sure I have EVER done that).

    I did not say the Ranger is cheap. If you are going from the last post - I simply subsituted Yota for Ford in Tbunders post. Just to show that I can make the same statement and it is just as true. I don't DISLIKE the Ranger, never have I said that. I am truly sorry if I am being just like Tbunder cuz that is the last thing I wanna do. I will try to be different in the future. I sincerely believe, that my attitude for the last few weeks has been nothing more than trying to defend the common notion that Yotas are weak. I have never disputed that Rangers have thicker metal - big deal. Just please don't say that Tacos CAN'T work. I have seen them in action and they hold their own. Buddy, I could care less about bashing the Rangers. That ain't my style, man. Have a good one.

    Honestly, have I been bashing the Ranger as much as Tbunder has been bashing the Taco? I wanna know. Count how many times I have used "pos" in reference to Rangers and compare it to Tbunder's use of the same phrase. Just one easy way to go about it.
  • plutoniousplutonious Member Posts: 799
    Let me see if I got this right:

    tbunder says on Edmunds his Ranger is so tough because he "jumps" it and "works" it, yet on E-bay claims his truck was "pampered, perfect and never abused."

    This from the same guy who said Rangers have lockers and beds welded to their frames! Oh, and that Rangers outweigh Tacomas by 400lbs and have 2" bigger rear diffs.

    Uhm, OK. Sure. Whatever.
  • issisteelmanissisteelman Member Posts: 124
    Tbunder, you really make this site interesting. Keep up the good work!

    And, if you can prove to me (beyond a shadow of a doubt) that your Ranger has never had even one minor problem, I will trade in my Tacoma immediately and pick up a brand new Ford Ranger.

    Take care and I'll see you in the mud (it is mud season you know).......... Steelman.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Member Posts: 897
    After all, he sold his Ranger. For the moment, looks like he's buying a Liberty. After he's thought of buying a Nissan (and fought hard to prove that Nissan was also better than Tacoma), and then Taco DC, and then F150, watch out for seeing comments like "My Liberty will outwheel your Tacoma". I doubt he'll be anywhere near mud in that shiny Jeep. I wonder what would any wife say if hubby went mudding and broke something in the family van...I mean family car :)
  • eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    "What about those great crashtests on the Tacoma?"

    -actually, the Tacoma does have good crash test results. In fact, it was named "best in class" by NHTSA. The Ranger does have better side impact ratings, however.
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