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Dodge Neon SRT-4

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  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    Don't expect a test drive anytime soon. Unless you are looking at a dealer with a high markup. They may have cars sitting if they are trying to get $25,000 for one. Otherwise they cars will be presold before arriving for at least the first 6 months (at msrp or less). They actually should start showing up within the next two weeks as they have built over 100 of them by now and have just been putting them into a holding lot, it just depends on when they start shipping them. One rumor I have heard is that the warmer climates of California and Florida will get the first shipments, but a special PVO training course is required to sell and it may go more by what dealers meet the requirements first. Either way there are productions cars already built, tested, approved, and just sitting in a parking lot waiting shipping.
  • boomn29boomn29 Posts: 189
    I'm not the buy that put down American technology, but I have to say that the SRT-4 has a Mitsubishi Turbo on it....
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,261
    Opting for LSD in a car like this would depend on whether it is load-sensing or speed sensing (non-Topsen) type. A speed-sensing type in this kind of road car wouldn't have a very long life I don't think. I wouldn't choose it if it were a speed-sensing diff.

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  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    "I'm not the buy that put down American technology, but I have to say that the SRT-4 has a Mitsubishi Turbo on it..."

    Considering history, ownership stakes and partnership agreements, boomn, that pretty much IS American technology! :)
  • According to Kellys Blue Book on line, the SRT-4 is eligible for the $2,500 rebate. I would guess that is not true.

    Regarding demand, if it is as strong as everyone believes, I cannot imagine Dodge building as many as they can sell. The Neon is a poor seller, so they have a lot of excess production capacity, and it ain't exactly a collector's item anyways. I've seen the Subaru WRX advertised quite a bit below MSRP, so the SRT-4 will follow.

    BTY, I had an 87 Sundance Turbo - the engine was the best thing in the car. Let's just hope Chrysler has learned to build more durable shift linkages.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    That $2500 rebate question is cropping up lots of places. The misunderstanding comes form Edmunds (and other) putting the SRT-4 as a trim level of the Neon. Dodge classifies the SRT-4 as an SRT-4, a completely different car. It is that way in the fliers, the websites, even the towing guide it is listed completely separate. All Neons do qualify for the $2500 rebate as well as other rebates like the Farm Bureau and college grad rebates, the SRT-4 (not technically a Neon according to Dodge) currently doesn't. On that note I hear some price quoting on-line services are putting the $2500 into their lowball quotes. Might be worth signing up for that price and then trying to hold them to it, but I'm sure there is some small print to let them weasel out of their mistake!
  • richt5richt5 Posts: 43
    I have contacted by internet DODGE dealers in my area for a quote on a SRT 4. After many notes, one dealer gave me phone numbers at dodge to call for information. This is what I was told: SRT 4'S will note be available till June of this year, orders will be taken sometime in march and the existing rebate on neons will not apply to the SRT 4.---- One dealer insists that the SRT is a 2004 model. So thats the scoop, dispite other things you read.
  • Finally, Dodge seems to be waking up. It should not offer rebates on the SRT-4. The car's demand will exceed supply through the first year of production at the very least, and rebates both lower the profits and cheapen the image of a car. Daimler-Chrysler deserves to make a good profit on this car...it's well-engineered and well-priced.
  • I owned a 1991 Dodge Spirit R/T. For those not in the know...this was a four-door sleeper. 2.2L 16V DOHC-224h.p. screamer. With very little modifications, it ran even with my 1993 Z-28 LT-1.The problem with the whole experience was very poor reliability! The aluminum head developed cracks easily, thus leaking coolant into plug valleys, the timing belt broke app. every 3000 miles. The car would run like s*** sometimes for no apparent reason, then run fine without any action taken to correct it. The point I'm making is that this car was a beast, but it was shoddily built and unreliable. This detracts from the fun factor...I've considered this SRT-4, but my better judgement will prevail and I will stick with my 2002 Mustang GT.
  • The plane old dodge sohc head didn't have those problems. There was a fix for the cracking problem where they replaced the steel, DUH, freeze plugs in the aluminum head with aluminum ones. I don't think any of the real fast, 12sec 1/4 or less, guys run the dohc head. I'd still like to have either a Spirit or Daytona R/T but I guess I can live with my turbo caravan. I also have an 89 5.0l mustang coupe and would keep a 02 GT over a SRT-4 but the SRT-4 is a pretty neat ride.
  • SPYDER98SPYDER98 Posts: 239
    That is what separates the SRT from any other in its class. You don't need to do any modifications to the car. It's already been built to reliably handle its power output. You mentioned little modifications, did this include bumping up the turbo boost, maybe opening up the intake and exhaust some more also? I also had done similar modifications to my spyder a few years back. On the upside..my car ran terrific. It kept right up with 260hp mustang gt's from the original 210hp I had which barely could pull away from preludes, GTI's, integra's etc.. On the downside, I killed my first turbo at 70k from overstrain. Wore out my motor mounts, causing a couple of downpipes to break from overflexing. Cracked an exhaust manifold probably from the extra heat. Ran my car hot in the summer at times. Probably due to insufficient cooling. However, thanks to a proven mitsubishi engine, I now have 143k on the original drivetrain (minus turbo). And I drove around with all those modifications for close to 100k miles. I have closely followed all maintenance schedules, but have also driven the car hard since day one.

    Any attempt for example, to modify a civic to perform anywhere near the level of an SRT, will result in MUCH worse reliablity and no warranty protection.
     
    The SRT comes with around 260 unadvertised hp at the crank from the factory. A bumper to bumper warranty upto 36k and I'm sure extended warranties will be offered for upto 100k. There are even 3rd party warranties out there which will cover cars for upto 5yrs/150k miles.

    The mitsubishi turbo in the SRT is one which is typically used in 300-350hp applications in the eclipse/talon turbo cars.

    The only real question is, will there be an abundance of reliablity issues from the get go.
    Which is why its probably a good idea, like with any first year model, to stay away. This way any potential kinks can be worked out for next years production. Of course the car will probably never be as reliable as a civic, protege, etc.. But if the result is dealing with a few extra unscheduled service stops from time to time. I dont think the typical performance enthusiast who is interested in an SRT, will really care.
    Plus like I said, there is warranty protection available for any non maintenence stuff.

    If honda did build a civic to perform next to a SRT. I highly doubt they would be able to pull it off for under $20k, without sacrificing significant cost in reliability.

    Also no offense, but all those chrysler turbocharged cars from the 80's and early 90's were all frankly POS's when it came to reliablity ;)
    They have come a long way since then in terms of what their reliability standards use to be like.
  • I was with your right with you up to

    "Also no offense, but all those chrysler turbocharged cars from the 80's and early 90's were all frankly POS's when it came to reliablity ;)"

    The imports beat us in the interior and fit and finish but overall I'd say the turbo chryslers were on par with all the other turbo cars made in that time period but all of them had problems :). A lot of the problems were the owners just didn't know how to treat those turbos right espcially in the chryslers. The kind of person that buys a 300zx turbo is more likely to take good care of it than a guy that buys a reliant or caravan turbo. Ones probably a car person the other is just a dad or mom :).
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    Nothing like an old minivan running 12 second 1/4 mile times. Bonus points if it has the fake wood on the side, tehe.

    Should get one for a project car...

    -B
  • But I ripped the fake wood off :). Its was all ripped up and looked really bad. Already have a boost controller and free flowing exhaust on it and I just bought a probe intercooler so I should be seeing high 14s here pretty soon :). High 14s aren't that impressive but come on its a minivan.

    http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jan/20031297149903053- 928496.jpg
    Got to love it. The sound of that turbo spoiling up puts an evil grin on my face everytime.

    Whats really cool is not only did they make a turbo minivan they made a turbo minivans with 5 speeds. To bad I couldn't find one of those.
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    I love 5 speeds (http://www.standardshift.com), I think Chrysler's bulletproof 3 speed auto is a better choice for older turbo applications, especially when the mods start happening.

    Besides, it makes the win that much sweeter, tehe. Ack, I can't believe I just suggested an automatic over a manual.

    The parents of a friend of mine in college won a caravan, and they got a 5-speed installed in it. Now that's dedication!

    Getting back on topic, I wonder if the 2.4L turbo will be available as a crate motor. Would make for some interesting projects.

    -B
  • Well chrysler put like 6 or so different 5 speeds in those turbo cars two of which really hold up well. The 555 and 568 and those are what came in the vans so I could live with it. The auto does let you build boost off the line though.

    "Getting back on topic, I wonder if the 2.4L turbo will be available as a crate motor. Would make for some interesting projects.

    -B "

    It probably will be. I already see people taking the sohc and dohc neon head and sticking them on the old 2.2l and 2.5l blocks with a little modding. It won't be to long before we start seeing 2.4l turbo omnis running around :).
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    I'm hearing that they are on the lots in Florida as of yesterday. A dodge dealer in Miami had 4 on the lot 3 yellows and a silver all for the MSRP of 19,995. Some California dealers have gotten the invoices which means the cars are less then 10 days of of California. Supposedly they were building up supplies for a mass release in Florida and California. This way they could put 3-5 on most major lots to keep dealers form really price gouging. Something that would have happened if they were trickling in one at a time.
  • My mistake not listing mods...K&N air filter, Cheaper than cheap turbo muffler. That is it. Never touched the boost, nor delved into the electronics of the machine. Look to the web sites dealing with this car...these problems were engineered into this car. Its unfortunate that Dodge quality with relation to its cars, is sub-par-the records don't lie! I find myself in a real conundrum as I like some of their vehicles, yet I don't like being on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck, as I was years ago with my '90 Laser that I purchased new from Dodge. I'm not even going to delve into the terrible dealer service from so many Dodge dealers that I have experienced.(so bad that I usually had to contact their national customer service "800" # to find a resolution to problems with the cars. Well, so why am I on this site looking at the SRT-4? The answer is simple....High 13-low 14 sec. 1/4 miles for 20,000!! I am a glutton for punishment, a speed junkie! I'm trying to fight this "jones". I guess I'll have to go out into my garage and start up the GT! Never a problem, not one...owned an '85, '86, '88, and a '90. Easily accepted any modifications, always starts, never been stranded or towed. Okay I'll just keep reminding myself of this....well maybe just one test drive...or perhaps as was stated "wait for the second year of production".Decisions, decisions! Is'nt America great!!!!
  • richt5richt5 Posts: 43
    It sure looks like dodge is trying to get free advertisement on the srt 4 rather than sell cars. Maybe its because the neon sales are so poor. What kind of company would bring out a car before they had their marketing ,sales and production in place. I called chrysler and they could not even tell me availability. Also,if you notice all the test cars were prototypes prepared by dodge for testing. Are the production cars going to meet that performance level.--So each dealer is going to get 2 or 3 cars -big deal. If the quality of this car is as unorganized as the people behind it,it may be a good idea to leave it alone, no matter how good it sounds. DODGE PLEASE GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER BEFORE YOU RELEASE YOUR PRODUCTS.
  • It looks like the earlier dyno run done by I think Sport Compact wasn't a ringer car.

    This is just some guy that bought one and took it to the dyno.

    http://home.tampabay.rr.com/blackcat/My_SRT.htm

    220hp and 247ft-lbs at the front wheels

    If they would put that engine in a light rwd 2 door car I would sell the Mustang :)
  • richt5richt5 Posts: 43
    Thanks for the info. The dyno tests do look real enough. Looks like FL has these cars available.
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    It looks like all the loudmouths ranting about how the media cars were ringers are wrong. Production models are in the 210WHP-225WHP range stock. Talk about an amazing deal...

    -B
  • boomn29boomn29 Posts: 189
    I seen a little of the SRT-4 on SPEED TV yesterday. The volume was off, so I couldn't hear anything. I did read the performance numbers:
    0-60 in 6.0 seconds
    1/4 in 14.9 at 99mph

    It also stated 215hp and 245 torque.

    Is it just me, or is a near 15 second 1/4 mile nothing special really??
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    It's cheap speed. If you don't care about going fast there's not much else there to be excited about.
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    If you look at the trap speed of 99mph, the SRT-4 is certainly capable of better than a 14.9. It was either this test they mentioned the track was wet and cold, or another test (Motorweek?) that ran the same time where the testing conditions stunk. Hey, it doesn't have AWD, tehe.

    All of the other tests are giving similar trap speed with an time of 14.0-14.3, which is more like it.

    -B
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    The SRT-4 could be the fastest car under $25K and possibly under $30K (below the Mach 1 Stang).

    The WRX is slightly faster than the Mustang GT in 0-60 and 1/4 mile (R&T, Nov. 2001 issue) but:

    whp - SRT-4 - ~220hp & 245 torque (lbs/ft)
    whp - WRX - ~192hp & 197 torque

    Also the SRT-4 is about 200 lbs. lighter

    Numbers from Sport Compact.

    The numbers from Speed TV look very slow. I assume they obtained these numbers w/o a clutch drop?
  • narenjinarenji Posts: 161
    I'm a wrx owner and my curiosity took me to the local dodge dealer. They had 3 srt4s, one each in silver, black, and yellow. the wing is awful. i know the car is rounded, but does the wing have to be also??

    Interior: I thought the interior was nice, and all the surfaces had a nice feel to them. the gauge package is good. The seats are supportive, but could use more thigh support.

    Exterior: the hood scoop doesn't seem necessary. The turbo is way in the back of the engine, very close to the firewall. The scoop will only get the engine bay dirtier quicker. They should've just put the turbo more towards the front for cooling and/or safety. The wheels look slick, but the red painted calipers look ricey.

    Driving impression: Wheelspin, and lots of it. even good michelin pilot sports couldn't contain all the power. The car makes usable power from about 2500 rpm and quits around 5000 rpm. lower revving, but it works. doesn't sound all that refined though. exhaust is a bit loud, but I like it. pops now and then. Gearshift is resistant to quick shifting, probably because the car is new. clutch is reasonably light, but brake and gas a bit too far for easy heel-toe. suspension is good, but way too much understeer. needs limited slip and a bit more camber i think. cruises comfortably on the freeway. couldn't get the car going too fast around turns, but stability seems good and brakes are upto the task. body roll very little.

    Great value, but not at this dealer's $3000 markup.
  • narenjinarenji Posts: 161
    the wrx has been reported at around 170 whp in most cases stock. the awd system causes a lot of drivetrain loss. most cars with turbo back exhaust and uppipe gain about 30-40 hp. at a local awd dyno, they claimed that most wrx's are around 165-175 hp stock, with one freaky one at 182 stock.
  • http://joseph.eaton.net/neon.wmv
    Motor Trend Tv's review
    If you don't have a high speed connection they pulled

    0-60 5.6
    0-100 13.8
    1/4 14.2

    One with a 3 inch exhaust
    http://www.srtforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=458

    1/8 mile numbers
    http://www.srtforums.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=459
    Doing the old 1.55 X 1/8 mile time = 14.05 for the 1/4

    Slap an lsd in it or some slicks and 13s should be easy.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    These are numbers I read in Sport Compact mangazine. Who knows?

    BTW, did you put the uppipe and turbo back exhaust on your WRX? Also, have you heard about Prodrive mods comming to the U.S.?
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