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  • northlakesnorthlakes Posts: 368
    I saw two new Freebie ads on ABC tonight. the first looked like the California coast. The second seemed to be red rocks of Arizona. Both emphasized the same message: Handling and gas mileage like a sedan, seats up to seven, available AWD, and five star front and side crash ratings. It did a good job of showing the load/space flexibility. Keep it up Ford... :shades:
  • cdndriver2cdndriver2 Posts: 36
    HAPPY 4TH OF JULY to my southern neighbours and especially the ones who drive Freestyles. :shades:
  • oldgwtholdgwth Posts: 25
    Thanks cdndriver2 and a Happy but late Canada day to you from a Freestyle driver and happy owner. :)
  • carkidcarkid Posts: 1
    The 2006 Freestyle will have a Navigation system as an option on the Limited style!!

    Ford Website
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,252
    hmmm, try this instead if Carkid's link doesn't work for you:

    https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/2006fleetshowroom/2006-Freestyle.asp

    Steve, Host

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    I don't remember what network I was watching, but I also saw two Freestyle ads last night. I read somewhere that sales numbers were up for the month of June so maybe Ford is going to finally start advertising the car. Hey northlakes, we need to get out of the house.
  • skovatchskovatch Posts: 24
    For a long time I wished I had waited when I first about this, but after pursuing my latest programming hobby I'm not complaining too much anymore. We just took a weekend trip from Cleveland to Put-in-Bay/Kelley's Island, and I made use of my handheld Garmin Legend C, loaded up with maps for Northern Ohio. No, it's not the same as a built-in, nationwide-coverage, voice-direction system like the Hybrid Escape or Chrysler 300, but it performed beautifully, and had an interface at least as good as what you'd find in a Hertz NeverLost system.

    Anyway, does Ford currently have navigation in any of its offerings? I'd expect it to look a lot like the Hertz system from Magellan, given their history of cooperation.
  • skovatchskovatch Posts: 24
    For those who were following along... about a month ago I finally took my Freestyle in to the dealer to have them look at my engine surge issues. Unfortunately, my bug with the car was returned to me as 'not reproducible'. They claim they hooked up their diagnostic equipment to the computer, drove it and couldn't get the problem to happen.

    However, I'm now wondering if that diagnostic equipment did something else, because I'm having a much harder time reproducing it. I have noticed that if I don't aggressively accelerate onto the highway, I don't have the problem. That doesn't seem right to me, because I don't believe anything has been done to fix the problem, but I can live with the current situation.

    I'll keep updating this as more info becomes available, likely on the new problems and solutions forum.
  • willie19willie19 Posts: 139
    "The Ford Freestyle crossover utility posted it best sales month so far (6,820)"

    As much as I like my wife's Limited AWD I think the Freestyle sales to date is nothing to crow about.This is a very well designed vehicle and my only concern is the CVT's reliability but so far it is functioning like a champ.

    I would have bought a Limited FWD a lot sooner had it been available in Canada, and this Limited FWD was only begun to be built in April'05 for U.S. customers.When we tried to order an SEL FWD with heated seats, no that also was not available.

    While the combined sales of the Chicago products sound O.K., I would point out that Ford's Marketing/Product Management group for the Freestyle is performing a very inept job in stimulating sales.There's got to be some dim bulbs working there.
    Can anyone explain to me a total abortion like the Freestar which is taking too long to die can outsell the Freestyle to June CYTD 45825 vs 35497 ?
    Does this mean some huge rebates are destined also for the Freestyle to get it moving?

    Rather than letting out the chat to the media to speculate on all the future concept cars Ford needs to be more determined to build more quality and reliability in their products as this will show up in the J.D. Powers initial quality index.Toyota had capitalized on this and that's why they are doing well.Anyway Ford beat out Toyota this year 5 to 4,
    but believe it or not, General Motors they got in 8 winners. Can't remember where I saw this.

    Happy July 4th and enjoy the fireworks. :)
  • spears2spears2 Posts: 10
    Just an update -

    I did have the setting on my radio. I got the relevant TSB printed up as ammo and decided to give the original dealer one last chance. (This is our second vehicle from them and we've been treated like royalty until now.) The service manager told me over the phone he wanted to yank the radio again and send it out for repair. I told him to not hold his breath waiting for me to come in.
    I took it to another dealer close to my home. I told them if they tell me they want to take me radio out of the car I'm going straight to the showroom and carve my name into that pretty Ford GT they have sitting there (jokingly of course). I gave them the TSB and told them I just wanted the radio programmed with the 'as-built' data. An hour later I've got my speed vol back and I'm happy.
    I'll be calling the service manager of that 'award-winning' service department later today to let him know of his failure.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The Freestar moves mainly because of the huge rebates available on it. While the Freestyle is a product that doesn't need rebates, let alone...Ford refused to place rebats on it, so it doesn't affect future resale values. The Freestar will die in about 1 1/2 years, so will take 3.9/4.2L engines with it as well (About time).

    The rankings you mentioned were JDPower Dependability Study which took into accounts vehicles in 2002. The following vehicles received one (if not top) of the 3 positions on their selective segments. Lincoln LS, Tbird, F-150, 250-350, Explorer, Expy, Navi, Villager (dead now), E-series, Town Car, CV/GM, Windstars ironically topped it's segment above the Sienna (who would have thought).

    Now JDpower survey over Initial quality (first few months of ownership-90 days I believe) the 500 topped it's segment (Freestyle would have been in there as well, but there's no specific segment for it). And this for newly developed vehicles, in a newly remodeled for flexible manufacturing facility which itself is impress. New Mustang also received the top rating in it's segment, under the similar circumstances mentioned above.

    Freestyle won't be getting any huge rebates anytime soon, but let's remember this isn't a product that's destined to sell 300K units yearly either. It's more about profittable quality sales, rather than lofty sales goals at the price of poor resale value. Not to mention, the factory is limited in the amount of Freestyles, 500, Montego's it can assemble as well.

    Although I agree, marketing isn't doing a good job of pushing the vehicle. And I blame advertising as well. The only "aggresive" advertising I've seen coming out of Ford recently has been the Mark LT commercial (pulling an Escalade out of a boat ramp), and anything in relation to the F-150. MUCH positive facts should be shared on commercials pertaining to many of the new Ford products, but marketing/advertising is quite submissive over that aspect.
  • nitromaxnitromax Posts: 641
    I personally stay away from any dealer installed nav systems and I would never want one hogging up my dashboard space. I would much prefer an aftermarket unit that has more features and costs less. Not only that, but if it dies, I won't have to face the decision of having to bring it in to the dealer.
    Plus they can be transferrable to my other cars.
  • I hope they don't offer any big rebates on the Freestyle soon. That would hurt resale values for all of those which own one. I also hope that Ford is true to it's word to not sell this vehicle into the fleet market. I think it was a very wise marketing move to offer them with 0% financing. That should help bring a few customers over from the big GM Employee sale going on right now.

    ANT14 - I recently bought a Freestyle after reviewing them for the past 9 months. I was one of the ones whom thought they were noisy and underpowered when they started showing up last fall. I drove them again this summer and decided that since nobody could tell when the MetaOne concept is going to come out (my preferance in a vehicle and power train) I may as well take the leap now with the financing rate. I'm not the type to buy a vehicle when it's selling at MSRP (let's just call me frugal) and the MetaOne would probably sell at least for that during it's first year anyway. Especially if it is hybrid. So if that vehicle doesn't come out for another two years and I wait a year after that... well that's along time. Thanks for all your insight in this forum over the past on the Freestyle.
  • willie19willie19 Posts: 139
    Thanks for the response ANT14 and I stand partly corrected.

    While you mentioned the Chicago plant had been converted to flexible manufacturing and that Ford had also invested heavily in other flex plants as well this apparently appears to be a smart move and be able to respond to market needs a lot faster.However the economics of this kind of decision would suggest the highest utilization of manufacturing capacity to recover the added costs and maximize profitability.

    Now if we were to extrapolate the number of D3 Chicago products manufactured for the year that figure should be around 200K units. I would hazard to guess the full capacity will be at least 280K units based on 12hours/7days as the ideal.Maybe I'm being optimistic but that's assuming 71% plant efficiency.

    While I agree with you that it's all about profitability in sales it is also important to prevent erosion of market share so that increasing sales volume while taking a smaller cut in the incremental sales will also help out Ford's suppliers, primarily Visteon which is not making out too well financially and requiring financial assistance from Ford to stay viable.Both are inextricably interdependent to become successful.

    I don't have the answer to the problem ,whether MSRPs need to be more realistic with less need for incentives or rebates but as a customer , I'm like most customers sitting on the fence and waiting to see what's popular and selling well before I jump in and taking the position of safety in numbers to affect my buying decisions.Having said all this what the hell do I know except I love my Wife's Freestyle. :)

    P.S. Hope the Fusion and its siblings will also be a success story.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    I've got a couple of questions for you. First, I'm loving my Freestyle (AWD Ltd, all options), and am really getting hooked on this CVT.

    Now Ford is offering "employee pricing" (A-plan, I guess) for July. I'm really thinking about getting a Five Hundred to go with the Freestyle and replace my 2002 Taurus. Just because I don't care much for that 4-speed after experiencing the CVT.

    Is there any reason I should shy away from the CVT in the Five Hundred? Would I be happier with the 6-speed? I guess it doesn' t matter TOO much since I'm pretty much sold on AWD anyway, and that means the CVT.

    Also, any idea if they'll still have the good financing with this employee-pricing thing going on? I'm not expecting cash-back or rebates, but that 0% for 36-months sure sounds good. Or even 0.9% or 1.9%, if I had to.

    I sure thought I could resist another couple years, but I'm not so sure now. LOL
  • northlakesnorthlakes Posts: 368
    Barnstormer,

    The July Car & Driver magazine reviews a half dozen sedans, including the 500. They comment on the 6 speed transmission. Just thought you would like to know. :shades:
  • oldgwtholdgwth Posts: 25
    spears2 Didn't know or missed the TSB you are talking about. I also had my radio changed and lost the speed control. Would you please update me on that TSB. Thanks :)
  • spears2spears2 Posts: 10
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    TSB
    05-10-19 INTERMITTENT CD PLAYER CONCERNS - AUDIO UNIT PROGRAMMABLE MODULE INSTALLATION (PMI) REQUIREMENTS

    Publication Date: May 16, 2005

    FORD: 2005 Five Hundred, Focus, Freestyle, Mustang, F-150
    MERCURY: 2005 Montego

    This article supersedes TSB 05-06-09 to update the service procedure.

    ISSUE:
    Some 2005 vehicles built before 2/24/2005, and equipped with a 6 disc CD player with MP3 capability (e.g. radio must have MP3 logo present), may exhibit one or more of the following intermittent CD player concerns.

    CD player skips repeatedly
    Locks up when playing certain homemade CDs
    Displays "Error" or "Bad Disc" repeatedly
    Will not accept CDs
    CD inoperative or inconsistent playability of some CDR media

    ACTION:

    Obtain detailed description of symptoms reported by customer.
    If issue only occurs with a specific CD, examine the CD causing the concern. Confirm that it is in good condition (e.g. CD is NOT chipped, warped, scratched, labeled, or contaminated).
    Replace radio with latest service level through your facing audio service center.

    SERVICE PROCEDURE

    When replacing the audio unit (radio) on 2005 Freestyle, Five Hundred, Montego and Mustang vehicles it is necessary to perform programmable module installation (PMI) prior to removal of the old audio unit. This information must be uploaded into the new audio unit once installed. Failure to perform PMI on the new audio unit may result in inoperative backlighting and/or diagnostic trouble code (DTC) B2477. It is not necessary to perform PMI on the F-150 or Focus.

    If communication cannot be established with old audio unit to download this information or if old audio unit is not available, as built data will need to be entered. Use NGS+ or PDS scan tool to complete the operation or follow the procedure below using WDS:

    With radio (ACM) DISCONNECTED, start a new WDS session (delete existing session if started).
    After WDS identifies the vehicle, select Toolbox > Module Programming > Programmable Module Installation > ACM.
    Follow WDS prompts, connect radio (ACM) when prompted to "install new module", hit tic mark to continue.
    WDS will prompt for as built data. Enter as built data and finish following prompts until "module configuration successful" is displayed.
    As built data can be obtained at the Professional Technician Society (PTS) website or at www.motorcraft.com. For additional information, refer Workshop Manual Section 415-01 and 418-01.



    PART NUMBER PART NAME
    -18806- Audio Unit

    WARRANTY STATUS:
    Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage

    OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
    051019A 2005 Five Hundred/Freestyle/Montego: Replace CD Player (Do Not Use With 18805B Or 18805C) 0.7 Hr.
    051019A 2005 Mustang: Replace CD Player (Do Not Use With 18805B Or 18805C) 0.9 Hr.
    051019A 2005 Focus: Replace CD Player (Do Not Use With 18805B Or 18805C) 0.4 Hr.
    051019A 2005 F-150: Replace CD Player (Do Not Use With 18805B Or 18805C) 0.3 Hr.

    DEALER CODING
    BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
    18806 42

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.

    Copyright © 2005 Ford Motor Company

    I bolded the important parts. Freestyle radios can't just be hot-swapped. They have to be programmed with as-built data or the data in the radio being pulled out. Otherwise you lose features.
  • den123den123 Posts: 5
    I've been enjoying reading this forum! Bought my Freestyle (norsea blue SEL FWD) back in May and have been loving it. Although I know the "tailgate" feature is not supposed to be used, it worked great for me and my two kids to sit and watch the fireworks over the holiday. Just put a blanket over the bumper to protect it. My question is about the luggage rack. Sorry to say I haven't really paid much attention at all to it until now and noticed there are no crossbars. Think I saw a post about this a while back, but not sure. Does anyone know if there are soft luggage bags you can use w/o the crossbars, or do I have to purchase crossbars? Thanks!!
  • northlakesnorthlakes Posts: 368
    Congratulations on your new Freebie. I purchased a RackSack™ soft luggage bag from weathertech.com. It has swivel straps so that it works with siderails like the Freebie has, or crossbars. I hope that helps. :shades:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,828
    lol! you ad me going with that story. did you stay at holiday inn express last night? :)
    den123... i would get the crossbars and a hard shell 'coffin' style cargo carrier.
    you will make up the extra money in gas savings.
  • Well, I am in MI and I called a dealer today that told me.... and I cannot believe this is true....but that I could still get 0% financing P:US $1000 cash back! You know what they say about sounds too good to be true. She said they would back date the deal ...but then would you get employee discount deal????
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    That sounds too good to be true.

    However, it DOES appear that you can get either the $500 cash back or 0% for 36 months (or 0.9% for 48, etc) along with the employee pricing.

    I don't see how they'd give you both the cash back AND the financing, though. Unless it was out of their OWN pocket.
  • oldgwtholdgwth Posts: 25
    Spears2 Y
    Thanks alot for the info.
    :shades:
  • nitromaxnitromax Posts: 641
    I have a question on the information center.

    When I first picked up my Freestyle, the info center would come up with a "0% oil life" message after first starting the car. I mentioned it to the tech when I brought it in to get my sticker and he asked me if it goes away after a few minutes. I told him that I wasn't aware that it did because I usually just hit the info and reset to get to the regular screen.
    He said that it may need to be calibrated and if it keeps doing it then I should bring it in.
    Just coincidently, after getting my sticker I was leaving the dealer and I noticed that the "0% oil life " message was not showing up any more. I haven't seen it since....hmmmm
    I'm guessing that they "looked into it" while the sticker was getting put on? (although the car wa sonly in the techs hands for maybe 10 minutes)

    My question is: Should I be able to access the oil life % at all on the information screen? because now It doesn't show up at all

    I suppose this information might be in the manual...but that's no fun and I'm stuck at work right now
    :-)
  • I just posted a similar question. Have you gotten anything yet? I'm considering having a body shop paint and install a generic set. Can't believe Ford doesn't offer these as, at the very least, an option.
    Thanks
  • indybellindybell Posts: 40
    Two days ago I finally had moldings installed on my black LTD. After a few weeks of deliberation about what I thought might work, I finally decided on the moldings from the Five Hundred. The ones with the chrome strip as part of the molding.

    I checked with the dealer's parts department and found that they would have to order them. ( I also got a confused look when I told him what I was intending to do with them.) Long story short, I ordered them online at Fordpartscheap.com. It's a dealership in FL. Took a while to get them to update their database so I could order that particular strip. I can't find my invoice or I would post the part numbers. They were significantly cheaper online, something in the order of 40 bucks savings over purchasing them from my dealer's parts dept. I think the internet invoice was in the neighborhood of 140 or so with shipping. Not cheap and they still need painting and installation.

    I had mine painted and installed at a local custom shop. Another 100 bucks.

    Now the big question. How do they look? Fabulous! I had the Freestyle's windows tinted and with that, the side profile was a lot of rather plain black expanse. The chrome breaks up all that black, plus it picks up the silver of the wheels and roof rack.

    They were installed approximately 6 inches from the top of the cladding. The only instructions I gave the custom shop was that I wanted them at least 4 inches up or else they would be useless in protecting the door. The "reveal" at either end of the door determined the actual location. They made it about 1/4 (probably more like 3/16) inch at each end. And, of course, the placement of the front door strip determines the back strip location. The back strip has a larger reveal at the back of the back door than the 1/4 inch. An inch and a half or so. Just like on the 500.

    I like them very much and can breath easier when the car parked at the mall and I worry about shopping carts and other drivers dinging up the paint.

    Hope that helps.
  • So the body side moldings come as a set of four, right? One for each door?

    Any way you can post a picture of what they look like?
  • nitromaxnitromax Posts: 641
    I have a question on the CVT....actually any CVT driven car. Anybody have any idea how the HP is calculated on a dynomometer?

    From what I understand, the drive wheels of a standard transmission car are put on a dyno and kept in in one gear, and the engine is brought up through the RPM range. Calculations are made based on altitude, temps, and gearing etc..
    With a CVT, the gearing would constantly change through the RPM range so I'm curious how the HP/Torque readings would be taken/figured out.

    anybody?

    Tidester?
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