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Ford Freestyle - Taurus X

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  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    "Where do you think they will put the Freebie's batteries?"

    More importantly, where will they GET them, and how will we AFFORD them?
  • 428cj428cj Posts: 52
    Barnstormer, the one inch shorter was when compared to the '98 Sable LS sedan I bought the Freestyle to replace. Check Edmunds on that one.

    Again, the 500 and Freestyle share no common metal or glass.

    The Freestyle also sits higher than the 500. I was looking down on one today in traffic.

    Look at the mirrors again. The Freestyle has large SUV type mirrors. And take another look at the dash. Those predominant round vents on the Freestyle are pure Explorer and Expedition -- not found on the 500. Also, the passenger assist handle on the dash. That is not on the 500.

    You have cherry picked a feature here and there from several wagons to find something in common with the Freestyle, but that still does not address the stadium seating or 18" wheels with Pirelli tires. By the way, those are Ford SUV wheel types.

    Several published test drives noted and wondered why the Freestyle rode softer than the 500. Some were referenced in the 3,910 posts above in this forum.

    You mention Edmunds. They call the Pacifica a "wagon" while they call the Freestyle a "crossover." I think the term crossover is the short version of "crossover sport utility", not wagon.

    We can talk about the weight difference later.

    One more thing. The Crown Vic shares the same platform, same engine, same transmission and same rear-wheel-drive as the Lincoln Town car. Would you call the Crown Vic a luxury vehicle? I do not think the taxpayers would let 84% of the police departments drive Crown Vics if they thought they were driving luxury cars.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    "The Freestyle also sits higher than the 500"

    Not by much, if you get the AWD Limited in both.

    "Look at the mirrors again. The Freestyle has large SUV type mirrors."

    Again, my Five Hundred mirrors are also huge.

    "Those predominant round vents on the Freestyle are pure Explorer and Expedition -- not found on the 500. Also, the passenger assist handle on the dash. That is not on the 500."

    Purely cosmetic.

    "but that still does not address the stadium seating or 18" wheels with Pirelli tires. By the way, those are Ford SUV wheel types."

    My Five Hundred has 18" wheels with the same Pirelli tires. The wheels are different, though . . 7-spoke vs. 5, and more chrome-like, go to with the chrome mirrors, etc.

    "You mention Edmunds. They call the Pacifica a "wagon" while they call the Freestyle a "crossover.""

    Actually, if you go to New Cars, select Ford, then scan down, they call it a 2005/2006 Freestyle Wagon. Hmmm.

    "One more thing. The Crown Vic shares the same platform, same engine, same transmission and same rear-wheel-drive as the Lincoln Town car. Would you call the Crown Vic a luxury vehicle?"

    Basically, yup. Just missing a few extras to make it more "plush" and some cosmetic changes. I would call them both VERY LARGE SEDANDS. One just happens to have more gee-whiz and plushness (and a more fitting price tag) on it.

    While the Five Hundred may be a bit closer to "Sedan" than the Freestyle is to "Wagon", I'd still call it a wagon. But both borrow things from other car segments. The Freestyle more so than the Five Hundred.

    They don't want to call it a wagon for purely marketing reasons, IMO.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    "Several published test drives noted and wondered why the Freestyle rode softer than the 500. "

    I doubt they were driving Limited AWD's in both, then.
  • 428cj428cj Posts: 52
    Barnstormer, once again, your arguments are inconsistent. You say the Freestyle does not sit higher than the 500 "by much." The fact is that it does and that is the point. The point is that the Taurus wagon, Sable wagon or any other shared sedan/wagon models are the same height. They also have the same front doors, front end, grille front bumper, windshield, wheels, etc.

    It does not matter how big the 500 mirrors are, they are not as big as those on the Freestyle. The Freestyle has SUV mirrors.

    You say the dash differences in the Freestyle are "purely cosmetic." The point is the dash is A. different and B. an SUV-type dash. Wagons share the same dash as their sedan counterpart.

    If you go back to Edmunds and click one more time, you will see that they have the Freestyle as a crossover. Also, if you go to Edmunds and search on SUV's you will also find the Freestyle. If this is not confusing enough and totally proving my point that the automotive press does not know how to classify the Freestyle, Edmunds defines the following:

    New Car Pricing:
    Select a Type of SUV
    A vehicle that offers available four- or all-wheel-drive and raised ground clearance in combination with a two- or four-door wagon or convertible body.

    It appears that Edmunds defines SUVs as wagons. Check it out for yourself. It is there on Edmunds when you go to select an SUV model.

    The point of the Crown Vic / Town Car comparison is the fact that two completely differently classed vehicles share the same platform, engine, transmission and final drive. By the way, the TC has a lot more than just plushness and gee-whiz. There is air leveling suspension, loads of sound deadening, variable steering, and a completely different interior, totally different sheet metal, passenger compartment and trunk.

    The Freestyle wheels are truck wheels. Your 5-spoke are car wheels. That is the point. Wagons share the same wheels as the sedans they mimic.

    Here is a test to help you with your thinking. First, look at the Subaru wagon, Dodge Magnum and Taurus wagons you mention. Look at them from all sides. Now look at a Freestyle from the back. Now look at it from the front. Now look at it from the side. Look at the height. Does the Freestyle look like a station wagon from any angle? Your answer should be "NO." If not, maybe someone on this forum can recommend a good optometrist for you.
  • northlakesnorthlakes Posts: 368
    It is good that there is so much passionate feeling about the Freestyle. I love my redfire AWD crossover because it has elements of a wagon, SUV, and minivan. Whether I categorize it as a wagon or not is a personal preference. The key point in "Public Relations disaster" is that Ford seems to have trouble figuring out how to sell this crossover. There has been some recent commercial and incentive action. The first acknowledged crossover is the Lexus RX300. Perhaps Ford can study their sales approach... :shades:
  • 428cj428cj Posts: 52
    Barnstormer, I can say for certain that my Alphabet Edition Freestyle AWD Limited rides smoother than the Mercury Montego AWD I test drove.
  • Got it. thanks for the tip.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    If not, maybe someone on this forum can recommend a good optometrist for you.

    As a public service:

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    Hope that helps! :shades:

    tidester, host
  • nitromaxnitromax Posts: 641
    It does not matter how big the 500 mirrors are, they are not as big as those on the Freestyle. The Freestyle has SUV mirrors.

    SUV mirrors? Is that a whole new aisle at the car parts store? Any vehicle can have any size mirror it wants. I think you're trying too hard to categorize this.


    You say the dash differences in the Freestyle are "purely cosmetic." The point is the dash is A. different and B. an SUV-type dash. Wagons share the same dash as their sedan counterpart.

    My Acura RSX has round vents. Doe sthat make it an SUV? heck no...it just so happens that round vents are the "in" thing right now.


    It appears that Edmunds defines SUVs as wagons. Check it out for yourself. It is there on Edmunds when you go to select an SUV model.

    I've known for quite a long time that SUVs were actually "bouncing wagons"...the only problem is that term won't sell them very well.
    :-)


    The Freestyle wheels are truck wheels. Your 5-spoke are car wheels. That is the point. Wagons share the same wheels as the sedans they mimic.

    They're just rims. You're trying too hard again. :-)

    Here is a test to help you with your thinking. First, look at the Subaru wagon, Dodge Magnum and Taurus wagons you mention. Look at them from all sides. Now look at a Freestyle from the back. Now look at it from the front. Now look at it from the side. Look at the height. Does the Freestyle look like a station wagon from any angle? Your answer should be "NO." If not, maybe someone on this forum can recommend a good optometrist for you.

    Actually it does look like a wagon. And when you get up next to it, you realize it's a tall wagon.

    I take it that you need to see your Freestyle as an SUV. If that's the way you want to justify it, then fine.

    Mines a wagon. :P
  • jschreiberjschreiber Posts: 50
    OK I have to give my 2 cents worth on this one.
    I am up to 9500 miles on AWD SE Freestyle--the product is superb--as good mileage as a subaru, wonderful AWD in bad weather, excellent fit and finish, comfort and space. BUT:
    Marketing is terrible, that is why Ford is struggling here, and the name is idiocy. We are inundated with "rough and rugged" crossovers that are advertised relentlessly. Ford seems to have the quiet approach with an ill defined image--what the heck is Freestyle any way? I look on this as a marketing department mess up not product problem.
  • 428cj428cj Posts: 52
    Nitromax, you miss the point. Let me explain it to you. The Freestyle combines the best elements of several classes of vehicle plus a few all its own. A tall wagon does not describe it either. The round vents were brought up to illustrate one difference in between the 500 dash and the Freestyle dash which Barnstormer said were "the same." Same for the mirrors.
    No, I don't call an Acura an SUV. I call it bad judgment. Now I know why you need a Freestyle.
  • northlakesnorthlakes Posts: 368
    Agreed! It has been a year (since Job 1), and it has been a great crossover vehicle for most here. I just looked on safercar.gov. No recalls or product defect investigations - just TSBs (which are important, nonetheless). This is a good sign for such a complex vehicle (a third of the shop manuals are dedicated just to the electrical/electronics systems). Maybe they need to put the enthusiasm of its owners in their TV ads. Anyone in this discussion group photogenic? :shades:
  • nitromaxnitromax Posts: 641
    Maybe they need to put the enthusiasm of its owners in their TV ads. Anyone in this discussion group photogenic?

    The problem with the ads is that the marketing people ALWAYS need to categorize something when talking of it's features. i.e. "best car in it's class!, safest SUV in side impact tests!, greatest ground clearance amongst pick-ups!, quietest pick-up!, best selling 'insert class here' init's class!

    Those sound familiar? I'm sure they do. Marketing wizards do not know any other way to sell a car. It's time they opened their eyes and sell the Freestyle for it's features, not for what it has compared to "insert here"
  • nitromaxnitromax Posts: 641
    No, I don't call an Acura an SUV. I call it bad judgment. Now I know why you need a Freestyle.

    LOL

    You don't want to go there.

    :-)
  • sparcatsparcat Posts: 6
    I just passed 8,000 mi on my gold AWD Freebie. :)

    When I leased mine back in January, I got rid of my '99 Windstar - I was tired of the minivan and wanted something new and different. :P

    The Freestyle was exactly what I needed, a vehicle to carry six people on a regular basis without cramming people into a tight third row. Plus it has been easier than the minivan to carry a wide variety of cargo - without having to remove the seats.

    Discontinuing the Freestyle would be a mistake, there is a market for this vehicle, it just hasn't been tapped yet - and that is unfortunate.
  • mmccloskeymmccloskey Posts: 168
    Greetings:

    There has been some debate regarding the mirrors on the Freestyle and the Five Hundred. The mirrors on both vehicles are in fact the same size/shape with only one difference. The Freestyle Limited has a body-colored 'cap' where the Five Hundred Limited has a bright/chrome 'cap'. I saw one of each parked next to one another and the mirrors are identical. Regardless, they offer great visability which is better than some of the more 'stylish' mirrors which may look good but offer reduced visability. The Explorer (which is a 'real' SUV) has mirrors that are actually smaller overall than those of the Freestyle so I guess they aren't real SUV mirrors.

    The Freestyle does have some SUV type styling cues so one could assume that the Freestyle is an SUV of sorts. I consider my Freestyle a large wagon even though the wagon moniker is passe' . I believe most of the Freestyle owners on this board would classify their Freestyle as a wagon as well but with more advantages than the true station wagons of yesteryear.

    Whatever class/type of vehicle the Freestyle is supposed to be, I have nothing but praise for mine!

    Regards -

    M. J. McCloskey - AWD Limited
  • nitromaxnitromax Posts: 641
    I love how people who drive "Acuras" think they are on top of the world. You are driving a Honda with a different name badge. Your a joke. I have a Explorer, Freestyle, and a 911. Get off your high horse. No one cares about your glorified Honda. You should have saved $15000.00 and accepted the "H" symbol instead of the "A". Maybe then you could afford a Porsche as well. LOL
    I usually don't brag but you really need to be put in your place.


    When I said "you don't want to go there", I was referring to name calling and degrading other posters on the forums. It's frowned upon by the posts and most other people here. Which is what 428CJ (Cobra jet?) was starting to do.

    It's too bad you didn't understand my post.
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    All Freestyle models ride a little softer than the 500 or Montego. Freestyle SE and SEL models use a 65 series tire with a 360 wear rating; the 5OO and Montego use a 60 series tire with a 560 rating. Limited AWD Freebies use a 60 series Pirelli. The top 500 and Montego a 55 series Pirelli. These differences may also mean more road noise. I deplore the increasing use of low profile tires just to go around corners a little faster- the thumps and noise that come with those tires are not worth it to me. I intend to put 225/65/17 on my FWD Freestyle. This size comes very close to matching the 225/60/18 on the AWD Limited. SE and SEL owners could do the same. The softer ride will be retained with some additional poise and traction added.
  • dgulinodgulino Posts: 38
    I might not be 110% correct on this, but my experience is that Helm SELLS the manuals, they don't WRITE them. When I have purchased service literature from them in the past (most recently for a 1991 Acura Legend), I received the Acura service manual written by Acura/Honda. As I understood it, it was the same manual used by the service department at the local Acura dealer. It certainly was as thorough a document as I could have ever hoped for.
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