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Ford Freestyle - Taurus X

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  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    Yesterday i drove a 2008 Taurus and was impressed with the improvement . Not only is the power there,but probably more important the level of refinement has gone way up. The ride has been softened and maybe some won't like that, but to me it was very good. Felt more like a luxury car. And it is a bargain if one stays away from 4wdr and and navigation systems. I would prefer some means to shift manually, but by keeping the OVD off in the city, the drivability was excellent. i expect the Taurus X will be a winner. Now if Ford can convince people to go and try.
  • jrljrl Posts: 39
    Talked to my local ford dealer yesterday about the Taurus X. After much questioning..he finally showed me an invoice sheet that said he had 3 Taurus Xs on order and that one was placed 6/22 and two on 6/28. This makes since with Ford website that claims production of taurus x started on 6/22..same as taurus and sable. He claims the xs should be there in about 1 to 3 weeks..leading me to believe before August. Yet on Ford website you still can not build a 2008 x. Also...just for interest..Dealer was nice..but when I asked him what the difference was he replied.."Well..have you seen the new Taurus..basically it has a new front on it...everything else is pretty much the same as the freestyle." I had to remind him that the engine and transmission is also new...he never mentioned the possibilties of it riding better, or any other "improvements". I'm just saying..if you really wanna sell a vehicle..is that how? Maybe Ford..Gm..has more than just product issues?? Again the man was very nice..but I would give him a low mark on his own knowledge of the vehicles he is trying to sale...something I have encountered many times at different Ford dealers...have a good one!
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    There many nice and informed dealers out there and just as many who aren't.
  • pnewbypnewby Posts: 277
    EXTENDED COVERAGE PROGRAM
    07N10 Certain 2005 through 2007 FWD & AWD Ford Five Hundred, Freestyle & Mercury Montego Vehicles - Rear Brake Wear

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Frank M. Ligon
    Director
    Service Engineering Operations
    Ford Customer Service Division

    Ford Motor Company
    P.O. Box 1904
    Dearborn, Michigan 48121

    July 3, 2007

    TO: All U.S. Ford and Lincoln Mercury Dealers

    SUBJECT: Customer Satisfaction Program 07N10
    Certain 2005 through 2007 FWD & AWD Ford Five Hundred, Freestyle & Mercury Montego Vehicles - Rear Brake Wear

    PROGRAM TERMS

    This program extends the warranty coverage of the rear brake pads to 3 years of service or 36,000 miles from the warranty start date of the vehicle, whichever occurs first. If a vehicle has already accumulated more than 36,000 miles, this coverage will last until December 31, 2007. This program provides one-time replacement coverage, and is automatically transferred to subsequent owners.

    VEHICLES COVERED BY THIS PROGRAM

    Certain 2005 through 2007 Model Year Ford Five Hundred, Mercury Montego FWD & AWD and Ford Freestyle FWD vehicles built at the Chicago Assembly Plant from Job #1 2005 through November 28, 2006.
    Certain 2005 through 2007 Model Year Ford Freestyle AWD Vehicles built at the Chicago Assembly Plant from Job #1 2005 through Job Last 2007.
    Affected vehicles are identified in OASIS.
    REASON FOR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL COVERAGE

    Some of the affected vehicles may have had direct exposure to moisture for an extended period that may have caused the pads to “swell” and create a slight drag condition. Low levels of brake drag might not be noticed by a customer, but could lead to premature brake pad wear and excessive brake dust.

    SERVICE ACTION
    2005 through 2007 FWD and AWD Ford Five Hundred, Mercury Montego & FWD Freestyle Vehicles

    If an affected vehicle experiences the condition of rear brake pad premature wear (below 3mm thickness), dealers are to replace the rear brake pads and if necessary, turn or replace the rear rotors, if they are below the thickness specification. This service will be performed on affected vehicles at no charge to the vehicle owner.

    2005 through 2007 AWD Freestyle Vehicles

    Due to the configuration of the braking system on AWD Freestyle vehicles the front brake pads must be replaced when rear brake pads are replaced. Therefore, this program will allow replacement of front brake pads, but only if the rear brake pads require replacement during the same visit.
    If an affected AWD Freestyle experiences the condition of rear brake pad premature wear (below 3mm thickness), dealers are to replace the front and rear brake pads and if necessary, turn or replace the rotors, if they are below the thickness specification. This service will be performed on affected vehicles at no charge to the vehicle owner.

    NOTE: Brake pad inspection is part of normal maintenance and is not covered as part of this program. If the vehicle is within this extended time and mileage coverage and the owner experiences a brake system symptom or during a normal maintenance inspection (brakes every 15,000 miles or more often, per the Scheduled Maintenance Guide) the vehicle's rear brake pads are found to have less than 3 millimeters (0.118 inch) of lining material, then Ford Motor Company will cover the cost of replacing the rear brake pads.

    OWNER NOTIFICATION MAILING SCHEDULE

    Mailing will begin July 9, 2007.

    ATTACHMENTS

    Attachment I: Administrative Information
    Attachment II: Labor Allowances and Parts Ordering Information
    Attachment III: Technical Information

    Customer Notification Letter

    QUESTIONS & ASSISTANCE

    Special Service Support Center (Dealer Only) …………….…………………….1-800-325-5621
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Also, in addition to the engine and trans, there was a huge change to the front end. Instead of mounting suspension on a subframe, they are using hydromounts which reduces unsprung weight. This will help ride and quiet.

    Mark.
  • jrljrl Posts: 39
    Anyone know when Ford might update their website to build the x? It seems odd that the x is coming out about the same time as the new Highlander....but no one has done a test drive with it. I have a bad feeling about this car..its not getting much attention...kinda like the vehicle it is replacing. I do not see Ford promoting the taurus much either...what gives? Most people probably do not even know there is a new taurus out there...much less a taurus x. Ford needs to get some press time with this vehicle if it is improved as much as some feel the taurus is over the 500. Thanks
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    The Nat'l ads that run on TV seem to still be pushing the Edge. Local TV ads are (of course) trucks. Perhaps Ford is waiting until they have dealerships stocked with both the Taurus and the "X" model Taurus before starting a Nat'l ad campaign. That won't be for a while yet. Labor day would be my guess. Lets just hope they don't bring back the "divorce" themed ad!
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    You can build a Canadian X at Ford.ca now. Just can't tell you how the specs between the US and Canadian might differ. Just started family pricing promo here, so prices are good and more to the point, about C$1900 list over '07. There's an additional 1200 cash back on '07, I wonder what the hidden incentives are for remaining stock? I don't see myself holding the vehicle for 7+ years, so I'd lose more than the stated savings on resale of the one year older vehicle.
  • Anyone know when Ford might update their website to build the x? It seems odd that the x is coming out ...

    I came across a picture of a Mercury CUV on http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4219078.html
    This vehicle is supposed to be a model that was shelved by Ford, well anyway, so says the guys at Popular Mechanics. I think that they are wrong about this. I think that this model will be produced at a later date. This CUV looks to be the Mercury version of the Ford Taurus X. Look closely at the headlight cluster, the new satin aluminum grill, and the lower front fascia. They ALL look like styling cues from the 2008 Mercury Sable.
  • Compare these pictures. The first one is from the Mercury CUV at http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4219078.html and the second one is at http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-taurus-sable-on-track/293664/ , the fact that the Montego has been somewhat redesigned to become the Sable (once again), proves that this CUV had to have been designed recently. This Mercury CUV looks like it is going to be the Mercury version of the Ford Taurus X. What do you think guys?
  • pnewbypnewby Posts: 277
    I don't know if it will ever be produced, but given the number of mistakes in the article, it is a safe bet that the PM writer has no clues. The "Taurus S" and the Lincoln Zephyr that is now called the MK/X? Wonder where they find these writers?
  • northlakesnorthlakes Posts: 368
    The swelling of the rear pads explains a lot. Though many on this post have questioned the ability of Ford engineers to design a brake system, it appears to be a simple materials issue.

    On a different note, I have owned my Freestyle for 2.5 years. It has been a great vehicle. Seeing the new pricing on the Taurus X, I realize what a value the Freestyle has been. :shades:
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    still can't buy the lack of cvt and the 3.5 and its mpg numbers as a move in the right direction...better interior materials, that's what it really needed and still does to compete as other than that it's a great package
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    better interior materials, that's what it really needed

    I just don't get this "better materials needed" nonsense.

    Do you stroke your Freestyle, or something? :P
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    "still can't buy the lack of cvt and the 3.5 and its mpg numbers as a move in the right direction..."

    I like my CVT too, but apparently we're in a very small minority that do. Americans want a transmission that "shifts". Ford has learned this lesson the hard way. Nissan is learning it now too.

    All mileage figures for 2008my vehicles will appear to suck. We're just going to have to go through an adjustment period with our brains. I think it's likely that a sane driver will easily be able to do better than what the new EPA figures would suggest.
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    I paid less money for my passat in 98 even adjusted for the difference in age and the interior quality is light years better. The Ford's hard plastic for the dash scratches, the carpet is the same carpet american cars has come with for an eternity, the monochrome-ness of it all with no visual relief with a bit more trim, accent, something, dash glare(there is NO reason for that to have gotten through to production), I have leather but the cloth stains very easily, but my biggest gripe is the quality of the hard plastics and their suceptibility to scratching. So yeah Ford could improve their interiors and I'm not the only one who has noticed.

    It's not about dash stroking, it's about what you touch and interact with and what we paid for it, they simply could have done a better job.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    I like my CVT too, but apparently we're in a very small minority that do. Americans want a transmission that "shifts".

    You'd think that Ford (and Nissan) could provide a firmware that would simulate a "shift" in the CVT, for those who prefer it.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    I can agree on the glare . . but I've never had scratches on my Ford interiors, and the carpet has been more than good enough.

    Trim? Accent? Eyuck! I don't even care for the simulated wood in my Limited.

    I've been a passenger in plenty of "the competition" (both foreign and domestic), and I just don't get a sense of anything better in their interiors. About the ONLY difference is that I've chosen the light tan interior for both my vehciles, and most other people seem to choose the darker colors.
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    The thing I like most about the CVT in my Freestyle is how it climbs hills- no hestitations, no shift shock, no letting up at the wrong time. it's a bit like full-time cruise control. The CVT in the Nissans is excellent, too. I guess most people like jerky shifts, though.
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    The CVT in the Nissans is excellent, too. I guess most people like jerky shifts, though.

    Like most things in life, most people are idiots. :P

    Is Nissan giving up on the CVT, as well? That would be too bad.
  • kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
    If anything I though Nissan was extending its use of the CVT as it is now used though out the Altima range. However I understand that it is tuned to feel more like a normal auto complete with shift points in its manual mode.

    Thanks to the guy who posted the bulletin on the brakes. My May 2005 AWD Limited goes in for its 15,000 service tomorrow and its nice to have this in my hand, because in the past I have complained about the excessive brake dust from the rears but the last time they were checked the service group claimed their were wearing normally ...

    I would like to have my car covered by the program to have both the front and rear replaced on warranty but knowing my luck my Freestyle will be one of the AWDs not covered under this warranty....
  • barnstormer64barnstormer64 Posts: 1,106
    However I understand that it is tuned to feel more like a normal auto complete with shift points in its manual mode.

    Don't think I'd like that.

    knowing my luck my Freestyle will be one of the AWDs not covered under this warranty....

    I got both my warranty letters (one for my Freestyle, one for the Five Hundred) on this issue yesterday.

    The way I read it, it only covered the REAR brakes.

    Doesn't really matter for me, since I've had very little wear amounts on both vehicles at 15k miles (last checkup).
  • kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
    The service bulletin started that the AWD Freestyle front and rear brakes have to be replaced simultaneously. Hence if the rears need to be replaced under warranty then the fronts will also be covered by Ford.
  • saabturboidsaabturboid Posts: 178
    Well, I'm out of luck on getting anything back from Ford on the brake job on my '05 AWD since I didn't do the job until 38k miles. I did receive a recall notice for my Freestyle but it only extended the warranty to 36k miles. According to the program I should have gotten front and rear pads at the same time but my local Ford dealer only did the rears. I wonder if I have any recourse at all.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    I don't see why you wouldn't. It's 3yr. 36k miles. But the 36k limit is over-ridden by the Dec. 31, 2007 date mentioned in the third sentence of the third paragraph of the letter.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    I saw a Taurus X today driving in the Lowes lot in Howell, MI. I followed it for several minutes before she decided on a parking slot.

    Lady in her 70's, sharp mind and car-knowledgeable.

    She went to dealer to get info. Dealer said they didn't have brochures, but they did have a car. She bought it.

    It's clearly a Freestyle derivative, but with much-improved styling inside & out. Inside looks rich.
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    "Inside looks rich."

    A Limited model I assume.

    Did it have the power liftgate?
    Was she aware of this feature?
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    "It's clearly a Freestyle derivative, but with much-improved styling inside & out. Inside looks rich."

    We more than knew the derivitive part. Not sure how you run with the idea of much improved interior styling as it hasn't changed short of some contrasting colors thrown on the door panels, different gauges and a bit more shiney stuff around gauges and a few buttons. That to me hardly implies much improved and worth the price premiums they are going after. As for the exterior it's more in line worth the corporate look but again I would not give it a "much-improved" on those points.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    1- I think so
    2- Don't know
    3- Don't know
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    I saw two on the lot of the dealer I was having our Explorer's oil changed at today. MUCH better looking now! Freealfas, you mentioned that the interior is not exactly "much improved" because it is basically the old interior with some new shiny stuff. That is true but it does look much better now, could still be improved of course, after seeing it and the interior of the '07 Freestyle next to it all in one look. Didn't get to touch them though.

    They had several Tauruses as well. I have to say, I didn't much like them in pictures but in person they are actually quite nice. More aggressive looking and somehow they look larger.
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