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Ford Freestyle - Taurus X

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,013
    Ha - how about the Mulally Special? :D

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  • saabturboidsaabturboid Posts: 178
    How about "I can't believe it's not a Freestyle!"

    Seriously, I think we should keep these message boards in tact due to the Taurus X simply being an evolution of the Freestyle. They are not two separate vehicles so lets keep everything the same and perhaps just add Taurus X to the message board titles. There probably should be a new forum however for just '08 and newer Taurus X issues... you know for when those new automatic trannies start blowing up while our CVTs run forever. ;)

    - Chad
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,013
    Makes sense - so, is the Taurus X widely available at the dealers yet? I heard late summer, but it sounds like a few posters here have at least test driven one.

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  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,676
    I have had days when I have had strong feelings, other days when my feelings are kinda weak, and the occasional day when I simply feel wishy-washy, indecisive, and noncommittal...and today is one of those days when I just am not quite sure where I fit into the scheme of things...

    Does that information help you at all???...:):):)
  • bobnu75bobnu75 Posts: 21
    I was waiting at a stop light this morning in north suburban Chicago and saw one pass by on the cross street.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    I like this option for its content. I also feel strongly that Taurus X should get top billing, since it's the existing vehicle that people are likely to search for.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,013
    Search is important. I'll quiz management and see how the category is going to shake out on the New Cars pages so we can try to be mostly consistent with that.

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  • Ford doesn't know how to market new models. The truck commercials seem stuck in the 70's. And the only Freestyle commercial I ever saw, was some lame-o thing about a wimpy divorced father seeing his kids (the ex-wife had the Freestyle). Wouldn't make you want to buy.

    I didn't know the Freestyle existed before I bought my '06.
    I saw a used '05 at a dealer, as I was leaving, having not really cared for the Escape and Explorer models I drove.
    :P :P :P
    Ford has never really pushed the Freestyle, always treating it like some poor, unwashed orphan. Now they want to sell Volvo, who provided the chassis (X70 I believe) - so does Ford then put something else down there?

    Dredging up the Taurus name for the 500 and Freestyle has to be one of the most obvious, desperate marketing ploys that has ever been done. It tells the public and the motoring press that you don't know how to do your job.

    We should all write the CEO and tell him just that.
    Thanks,
    Tom
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    FWIW - Freestyle is not in the crossover segment of the website anymore I just found out...
  • jrljrl Posts: 39
    Ford just made 750 million net profit..maybe Mulally should rename some more vehicles? I agree with the marketing though...look at Toyota...their truck commercials are more "American" than Chevy, Dodge, or Ford. I've already seen two diffrent commercials for the new Highlander..and seen both several times! Isn't that the competition? Maybe its like a presidential campaign..and since Ford is low on campiagn money...they wont be doing much advertising! TO BAD :sick:
  • selooseloo Posts: 606
    Anyone? Anyone?
  • geffengeffen Posts: 278
    I would say keep it named Ford Freestyle - Taurus X that way people with Ford Freestyle's wouldn't feel left out and or it would make it easier on searching and there wouldnt be separate discussions on the side about the Freestyle since now their one in the same. :)
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    Despite some obvious similarities, the Taurus X is a significantly different vehicle compared to a Freestyle. The Freestyle I own will always be unique because of it's CVT. The X, on the other hand, will always uniquely have..

    1) a different and much more powerful engine
    2) a 6-speed trany
    3) a completely different AWD system
    4) AdvanceTrac
    5) much better NVT
    6) much better Styling (subjective, I know.. but most would agree)
    7) Ford "Sync" (optional perhaps, but most will want it when they see it)
    8) a much different name. Ford has decided to link the X to the Taurus sedan.. not the Freestyle.

    Give the Taurus X it's own forum listing and topic areas. It will reduce confusion.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    I agree.

    Important to consider is the car shopper in 2008, 2009 & forward. Will they know to search for Freestyle in order to get Taurus X information?
  • geffengeffen Posts: 278
    Well the way i see it, there will be a Ford Freestyle discussion forum just sitting idle if the forum moves to a Taurus X only discussion, as I said that really singles out the owners of the Freestyles and the shoppers who will be shopping for the 2009 Taurus X I would highly think they would know their Taurus X was once known as a Freestyle unless they haven't been keeping up with Ford, Yes I agree Ford did some major upgrades to the Freestyle and its now known as the Taurus X. Just as they did with the Ford Five Hundred to the New Taurus with major upgrades and a new engine etc. My point was if the discussion is called Ford Freestyle - Taurus X and someone is doing a search how could that be confusing? why not have the best of both owners together?
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    yet another reason to buy a FS/T-reX

    FS rated one of best CUV's for rear crash testing...BTW

    edited down for post full link here

    //www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19569300/

    "The test results released Tuesday found several SUVs had improved protections against whiplash injuries but gave poor marks to vehicles made by several leading automakers, including BMW AG, DaimlerChrysler AG, Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp., Nissan Motor Co. and Toyota Motor Corp.

    The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety said the simulated rear crashes at 20 miles per hour showed that many large vehicles fall short in protecting against neck injuries, which lead to 2 million insurance claims a year costing at least $8.5 billion.

    Several SUVs made progress — 17 of 59 SUVs from the 2007 model year received top ratings in the testing, compared with six of 44 SUVs tested in 2006.

    The best performers among 2007 SUVs included: Acura MDX and RDX; Lincoln MKX, Ford Edge and Ford Freestyle; Honda CR-V, Element and Pilot; Hyundai Santa Fe; Jeep Grand Cherokee; Kia Sorento; Land Rover LR3; Mercedes M Class; Mitsubishi Outlander; Subaru B9 Tribeca and Forester, and Volvo XC90.

    SUVs from the 2007 model year rated poorly were: BMW X3 and X5; Buick Rainier, Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy and Isuzu Ascender; Cadillac SRX; Chrysler Pacifica; Dodge Nitro; Ford Explorer and Mercury Mountaineer; Mitsubishi Endeavor; Hummer H3; Hyundai Tucson; Jeep Liberty; Kia Sportage; Lexus GX470 and RX; Nissan Xterra; Saab 9-7X; Suzuki XL7; Toyota 4Runner and Highlander."
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    If you sat in a Freestyle and drove it around and then sat in a Taurus X and drove it around, about the only thing you'd notice are the lack of shift points in the Freestyle and better MPG. Not much improvement in my book. They should have just added the traction control to the FS, and change the name and grill if the advertisers really wanted that too.
  • selooseloo Posts: 606
    Was it faster? Was the cabin quieter? Did it have power rear seats and a power lift gate? Was there anything you liked about the new X?
  • passat_2002passat_2002 Posts: 468
    Those of us who are Freestyle owners shouldn't get defensive about this. Regardless of whether or not one thinks the changes are an improvement or not, they are nevertheless significant changes all the same. My point in my earlier post was that mechanically speaking, the Taurus X is a whole lot different than a Freestyle. A board that is common to both vehicles will lead to a lot of confusion.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,800
    "Regardless of whether or not one thinks the changes are an improvement or not, they are nevertheless significant changes all the same."

    I think that the T-Rex is still a Freestyle underneath. It is true that they are renaming the line, but the design and basic functionality is the same. The length, width, height, weight, seating capacity, and even most of the sheet metal are all the same.

    Would we rename a Mustang forum because they added an engine / transmission, or changed the sheet metal?

    When Ford re-designs the entire platform, THAT is the time to set up a separate forum.

    So long as a new user will come across their vehicle of interest when they search for "Taurus X", I think the T-Rex forum should remain with the FS.

    To this end, I suggest that Edmunds rename this forum as "Freestyle / Taurus X".

    Just the fact that we are having this discussion is an indicator that the FS and T-Rex are the same vehicle. No one had any questions when they created the "Acadia" or "Outlook" forums.
  • tomkat2tomkat2 Posts: 1
    Hi,
    I took out an AWD Taurus X Limited two weeks ago. I was very impressed with the quality inside and out. The new 3.5/6sp drivetrain is an improvement from the 3.0/cvt in my opinion. The color combination of the interior was impressive as was the fit and finish. I have taken quite a few Freestyles out and was looking to purchase one, but after reading the improvements Ford made with the X, I'm glad I waited. Its only a matter of time before we're getting one......
  • slider7slider7 Posts: 33
    As I read through, the 500/Taurus, Montego/Sable, Freestyle/Taurus X forums, and being a new 06 Five Hundred owner, you gotta love the dealer factory reps pretending to be owners coming onto this site to passively/aggressively blame buyers & Edmunds for the "confusion" between these vehicles. If the old motto was Quality Is Job One in a conservative era, the new motto must be Equality Is Job One in the new left era. Where did all those employee "quality circles" go from the 1980's that the company raved about? Too bad employees and stockholders couldn't stop the quack who created the PAG candybasket. Volvo/Mazda are the only beneficial nameplates to Ford because they have impeccable engineering, not "brand implied class status".
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,800
    "As I read through, the 500/Taurus, Montego/Sable, Freestyle/Taurus X forums, and being a new 06 Five Hundred owner, you gotta love the dealer factory reps pretending to be owners coming onto this site to passively/aggressively blame buyers & Edmunds for the "confusion" between these vehicles."

    Well, I own a 2006 FWD SEL. Anybody else care to chime in with their FS specs? BTW, only about 15K on my FS.
  • pnewbypnewby Posts: 277
    Could it be the fact that the test states no ASC at the top, and lists it as standard at the bottom? Or Maybe the 16" tires listed as the tire size? Maybe they don't know what they are doing?
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    start with the pictures

    then the curb weight

    then the fact that the car pictured is NOT an 08 taurus despite being labeled one.
  • You mean a picture of a 1997 Taurus won't do? Oh well...at least it's a trip down memory lane for us older guys.
  • freealfasfreealfas Posts: 652
    the link on the T-reX/ford website indicating the testing and being top rated links directly to that link I mentioned. Seems Ford might want to get that fixed sooner than later.
  • I'm not even sure the NHSTA has tested a 2008 Taurus X. I seem to remember a discussion somewhere that concluded that they were merely using figures obtained from an earlier test of a Freestyle.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,800
    "click on the nhtsa site and tell me what stinks about these links "

    Interesting. The first time I clicked on the link I saw both Taurus and Taurus X. If I click on the link now I see only the Taurus. I wonder if they found the problem with the website?

    The Taurus details don't list DRL, which can be programmed on the FS. I wonder if they still work on the Taurus X...

    UPDATE:

    Yup, they fixed the site, it now refers to the Taurus X in the "SUV" category instead:

    US DOT Taurus X Safety Ratings

    Right pictures, still no mention of ESC (which is standard, I believe, on the 2008) or DRL.
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