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Dest.: $615.00
This price includes 4 Corner Air Suspension, Bi-Xenons, and "OnStar" as Standard Equipment
At that point in time there wasn't anyone on the waiting list at my VW dealer.
I have an 03 Jetta TDI wagon that is an amazing car. It's turned me into a diesel fan. I have an X5 that's about to go off lease - the Touareg is a possible replacement. I think I'll pass on the V10, I understand a V6 diesel Touareg may be coming over to the U.S. in a year or so. If I had something to tow I might be interested in the V10. I'm leaning toward buying my X5 at the end of the lease.
BTW, any news on the w12?
On the interstates, it is very easy to find diesel.
Like anything else, when the number of diesel engined cars grows, so will the places to buy the fuel.
Well that is because it is a V10!!!! Rediculous imo. It the bring the 5 cylinder TDI to the us it will not be above $40k.
I would buy a 4 cylinder TDI in a second from almost any suv producer in a heart beat.
Since the price of a v-8 in the u.s.a. is the same as the price of a v-6 in Europe i really dont see why ANY u. s. consumer who is shopping for a T-Reg that can MOVE would buy the v-6 petrol.
Rather than simply trashing the V6, maybe it would be helpful for people trying to decide, to talk about the things you do with your V8 that you would not be able to do with a V6. People could then decide if that is worth a few extra thousand dollars to them. My V6 has a sticker on the dash suggesting that I not go over 130 mph. Maybe the V8 sticker is a higher number. See, there is one thing that you can do with a V8 that you can not do with a V6, go over 130 mph.
Its NOT the speed we are promoting. Its the torque issue.
Incidently ALL European T-reg versions(namely V-6, V-8, 2.5 TDI)have that 210kmh sticker. (1mile=1.6km)
On the V8 or V6, the altitude one drives at (not attitude, although....) has a lot to do with the "feel" of power. Working with computers I know that "perceived" speed is a very relative thing and SOME cannot get enough but others are happy with improvements.
It has been my attempt (and sorry if I failed) to solicit the same answer from this board.
If the price difference between the V6 and V8 = $0.00, would you still go for the V6?
The answers would demonstrate in part a preference for the V6 over and above the MSRP differences.
Conversely, if the answer to the question was, I would get the V8 if it were the same price as the V6, then one would have to come to the conclusion that money was the driving force behind the V6 vs V8 acquisition.
I believe, as in it is my opinion, that most folks purchase the current V6 moreso out of a desire for less cash outlay (which may or may not be related to their ability or willingness to afford it) -- I just bought a new widescreen TV and it came in a Silver or Black Gloss finish -- Black Gloss was $500 more. Had they been the exact same price, I would have purchased the Silver because it fit with my decore. Money, truly was not an issue -- and the electronics and screen size and all other aspects were identical.
This comparison is NOT the same with the Touareg I understand. But when I read the point and counter points written by the Car and Driver editors and they have a section stating that "Price Independent, I would go for the "X over the Z"," it gives me an indication of which one they would rather have. The fact that sometimes the editors do select the lower priced version is VERY telling.
I have read for example the praises about the X5 BMW, but the sense I get is that even if the sport option were zero cost, many C&D editors would not select it. If I am in the market for a vehicle, I can use this information.
I believe y'all when you say you are satisfied or happy and all the positive things you remark about your Touaregs. I do believe that the V8 is "more than the additional money it commands" and is therefore "mo' fo' yo' money!" It does not exactly mean I think someone here cannot afford something -- in point of fact, I really don't care. I am, in the spirit of a discussion, assuming (a dangerous thing to do) that the V6's were principally acquired because they are lower in cost, monthly lease or some other financial consideration.
Answering the question "which one would you selcted if they were the same price" would assist me in understanding the vehicle from a vantage point that doesn't consider price.
One more example -- I would "take" an Audi allroad 4.2 if I had to have an automatic transmission. On the other hand, I would pay more for the Audi allroad 2.7T with 6spd manual ($1,000 more to put it into perspective).
It just so happens that an Audi allroad 2.7T with 6spd and all options compared to a similarly equipped allroad 4.2 is about $5K less. I chose the 2.7T (knowing that there was an upcoming 4.2) in part becuase I wanted the 6spd, in part becuase of the $5K and in part becuase it would gall me to spend $5K more for a car that was less quick in 0-100kph specifications.
The 4.2, in this example, would be purchased by me to "support" a vehicle that I think has been "ignored to death." And, I mean to death -- the allroad will conclude production the 21st week of 2005 (by some accounts a dismal failure) -- this reminds me, likewise of the Passat W8 which I think is a steal with sport package at $39K and due to benign neglect discounted (if you can find one with a stick, that is).
And, my point about the wisdom of bringing a car that has a lower MSRP certainly could be made if anyone would comment on their purchase and the process they went through to determine to or not to go with the V8 with an eye to "would the do the same thing again if the V6 and V8 cost the exact same?"
I am not trying to convince YOU that the V6 or the V8 is better or more for the money -- even if such data existed empirically, I don't think any minds or hearts would be changed (well, maybe a couple); what I am considering is "what would I do and perhaps the V6 has attributes and benefits that I am overlooking."
Finding someone who would acquire the V6 in the face of an identically priced V8 would be fascinating -- just, to repeat, as the editor's comments are at the end of a particularly interesting review of some new or unique automobile.
That said if the 8 cyl and 6 cyl were the same price and I got the same performance from the 6 cyl that I get from my RX I would prefer the 6 cyl. Cheaper on gas and better for the environment. Now if you say that they use the same amount of gas then I would take the 8. (I know some say it is only 1 mpg difference but I find that hard to believe.)
Thanks for the V6 vs V8 comment -- I have no clue with respect to the 1mpg difference. I simply have to assume that this is correct.
And, while I am assuming, I think I can draw the conclusion that the 1mpg difference, if you find it to be believable [to you] or verifiable (trust but verify) is not a big enough reason to -- under the qualifications of my question earlier -- pass on the V8. Correct?
Sooooo VWoA is going to bring a $60K V10 to the US in the Touareg. But in Europe the 2.5TDI is available? I have been to Europe dozens of times, rented cars there many times and ridden in cars (taxis mainly) hundreds of times -- I have not felt that the "smaller displacement" engines were unsatisfactory. I have only driven a 2.5TDI in an Audi A4 quattro with a 6spd transmission.
If the 2.5TDI is put into Touaregs in Europe is anyone buying it? Is it "dangerously" sluggish or so bogged down when passengers and luggage are put into it so as to render it unacceptable?
Now, I am NOT against a $60K diesel being marketed in the Touareg -- but is there no other diesel alternative that could be perhaps at the V8 price point? Or is the V10 the performance statement and hence this, in some wierd way, makes sense?
What about same engine in a Phaeton or the 2.5TDI in a Passat, etc?
I guess I don't make too many decisions completely irrespective of price. If an apple is $1 and an apple in a leather carrying case is $20, I'm buying the just the apple. Even though I prefer the apple with the case. But the incremental additional benefit of the case is not worth $19 to me. I consider the cost vs the benefit to me. The only reason I'm not buying the case is not price. It is the price vs benefit to me.
Fuel Consumption
Urban 21.4mpg - 13.2l/100km
Extra-urban 36.2mpg - 7.8l/100km
Combined 28.2mpg - 9.8l/100km
Now VW, If you bring get this engine to the states and sell it for under $40k i promiss i will buy one!!! I actually have written VW and asked if i how i can import one from Europe. I will let you know what they say.
I have not yet seen on the Forum any firm date for the 2005's.
Any information on dates or new features?
I have seen Touaregs in Europe and have noticed that there are a few differences. In particular, Touaregs with keyless entry in Europe have a button for starting/stopping the engine (no need to use the key if it is in your pocket).
The Touareg also have the ability to shift gear from the steering wheel (like the Cayenne does here).
I am interested to know if any of these features are likely to come in 2005 US models?
Also, I see that Edmunds now has pricing on the 2004 V10 TDI. But is that really likely to be available in 2004??
Thanks!
And yes, 2.5TDi T-Regs selling very well;one has to wait 4-5 months to get an order. V-6 are sold off the floor, but demand very "sluggish" as is the engine.
I have the tan interior and don't think I would have noticed the wet floor under the mat unless I saw the darker wet area on the center consul. Owners may want to check under their mat and on the center consul for dampness.
BTW, I brought the car in yesterday without an appointment, the service tech called at 6:30 pm to say they had just found the problem. I picked it up today, washed. Everyone wants a good price, but the dealership is important.
That's the bottom line, while there might be some specific uses a v8 might be more appropriate, the v6 would be and is fine for the vast majority of people.
If you are referring to a common rail diesel, yes I have driven several of them, and you are right, they are better than the older design. But the 2.5 tdi with only 174 HP at high rpms means that the high torque number will be great for heavy applications where low rpm are required and just not have it as speed increases. Again all these engines will be adequate for normal applications. I just think that the power curve of a low hp, high torque diesel is boring for driving around town and highway cruising. I am not towing anything and don't care that much about mileage. If I wanted 30 MPG I wouldn't buy a 5,000 lb car.
Fantastic website with brilliant information. Definately the best website out there ranging on all topics for all cars.
I'm looking at purchasing a touareg, but wondering what prices have been paid (obviously depending on spec).
Any help with this would be great.
Thanks
one suggestion if you have a computer with your music: Install a Phatbox. This is a dealer installed option that is basically a 20 or 30GB hard drive that plays back your mp3s. it comes with a USB cradle to sync up your music with your mp3s on your computer. You can find it details on the phatbox at:
http://www.phatnoise.com/vw/downloads/07-07-03%20TOUAREG%20PHATBO- X.pdf
I do not (yet) own a Touareg, so I cannot help you with CF-rs, but I am planning to buy a Phatbox in mine to avoid having those problems..
Hope it helps.
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I have a Touareg with the standard audio system. I can't seem to record CD-Rs that will consistently play. I've tried 4 programs (Roxio, Windows Media Player, B's Recorder Gold 5, and MyMP3 Pro). I've tried WAV, MPA and AIFF files. I've tried blank Music and blank Data CDs. The Music CDs with WAV files will occasionally play, but normally I get CD ERROR on the screen. "Store-bought" CDs play fine. Can anyone tell me what works for them. Thanks "
http://www.tm-techmark.com/tri.htm
Also tells you how to put your cell phone's audio through the car's speakers.
As to CD-R's, the manual says it will play them. It even cautions not to use stick-on labels, but to write on them with a Sharpie. Also the salesman played a CD-R in a Touareg in the showroom. So there must be a way to do it. So I'm still looking for suggestions. Thanks again
They CANNOT be computer type files: MP3, WMA, AIFF, MPA, or WAV files. I burn CDs with .cda files all the time and play them in my Touareg without problem.
The Phatbox can be located where the CD changer is normally located BUT in some installations the Phatbox could not be pushed in far enough and the cartridge sticks out beyond the cover. There have been some people who have been successful in installing the Phatbox deep enough in the space so the cover would close completely.
Also, I was told by the dealer that if the Phatbox was installed where the CD player goes; the cartridge would stick out too far to close the side panel. I'll have to push them a little harder on that as the Phatbox sounds like a good option. Thanks again
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It's a great vehicle except for the annoying door chimes.
The best app for this I have seen.
The Cd changer in the Treg played all mine perfectly
Good luck
Also, any news on 05 Touareg? Timing? Features? Thanks!
No spare tire and no side and underbody protection remains a deal breaker for many of us "real" SUV guys who actually take SUVs in the wild.
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/parminder_singh_devsi/my_photos
VW claims current Touareg to be better than Jeep and even Range Rover for off-roading.They are trying to fool average SUV owners with that claim.
A serious off-road package is already offered in Cayenne which even allows to disconnect front and rear stabilization bars hydraulically.It also has full-size spare tire, side and underbody skid plates.
A Porsche owner is less likely to go off-road than a Touareg owner , still those options are there but Touareg doesn't have those options.
That seems odd to me!
http://www.tm-techmark.com/tri.htm
KarenS "Volkswagen Touareg: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" Feb 2, 2004 9:49am
Please post (and repost) your buying experiences in there. Future shoppers will love you for it. Thanks!
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