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VW Touareg SUV

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  • The 'model year' stuff is confusing. For example, we were also looking into the Infiniti FX35. You know that they haven't come out w/ their '06 model yet ?! It's scheduled for March !!
  • tdo123tdo123 Posts: 102
    I just heard that they have stopped production on the 2006's and they are moving forward with rolling out the 2007. From what I hear the V8 2007 will have 340 horses and more updated options. (i.e. Bluetooth)
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,611
    "VW Celebrates Touareg Milestone With Exclusive Edition."

    Sprechen Sie Bling (Inside Line)

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  • I've narrowed it down between the 4Runner and the Touareg. I currently have a Pacifica and have been very unhappy with it because of the frequent trips to the dealer for service. I decided that I wasn't going to purchase anything that wasn't rated high on dependability, but I find myself leaning towards the Touareg. I love everything about it, except it's ratings. Are there any owners that can tell me they're worth it? I don't necessarily need to make the change immediately (I was just trying to beat the next trip to the dealer with the Pacifica), so if there is something better coming I can wait.
  • lawboylawboy Posts: 9
    I was in the same boat as you just a little while ago; I got an O6 V8 TReg, luv the way it drove and looks etc..., so I cannot attest to reliability yet, mine is to new; but reading posts on this forum and others, seems like V8 has less problems and they seem to have worked out many of the kinks versus the earlier models 04-05; only 2 drawbacks for me so far have been no satellie radio (looking at ways to get installed) and bad gas mileage (oh well, so be it);if you do decide on a Treg and can wait, I would, the 07's are supposed to have bigger engines and some other small changes and you can try one of those and either get that or a great, great deal on an 06'

    I hope this helped
  • panzerpanzer Posts: 125
    I was deciding between the same two vehicles exactly two years ago and went with the Touareg. I also considered BMW but really wanted more off-roadability. I knew what I was getting into. If you are adverse to visiting your dealer post-sale, even if they treat you nice, don't do it. They are no different than Mercedes or BMW as far as reliability and cost to own. Great drive, but not cheap to keep. I doubt if an '06 or '07 is much different. Probably a dozen visits, most not scheduled, in 24 mos. Still some stuff they can't or won't fix (all computer-related)and I'm on my fourth radio, which is starting to make the odd screech again. I'll wait till it refuses to play cd's before I get another one. It will. That said, I plan to keep mine. The Toy is uncomfortable and small (for a 6'4" 250 pounder). It does drive nicely in Sport Edition, with a V8, but lacks soul, IMHO. The Touareg is a sweet ride.

    I just got back from the auto show. There's nothing out there that touches it. The Land Rover LR3 is a bad joke for the money. The BMW X3, Cadillac SRX and Honda Pilot are all pretty nice if you don't need to go off-road.
  • Thanks Panzer and Lawboy. You're insight and experience is very helpful. It's interesting about the radio. I had a Passat a couple of years ago and the radio in it was pretty lousy as well. I took it in a couple of times but never pursued a replacement. Maybe in time I would have, we ended up trading it for the Pacifica for more room.

    How do your backseat passengers enjoy the ride, any complaints? We have 2 girls, 10 and 15, that love the room and comfort of the Pac.

    Thanks again!
  • lawboylawboy Posts: 9
    Back Seats, uh, I am not the best qualified on this; no children and only occasionally plan on transportating friends etc.. so don't care as much about the more cramped quarters back there; did not bother sitting in back seats of 4runner; I did seat in back seats of Volvo (smaller) and BMW(a bit larger and seats recline, a big plus if you ask me which VW does not have); I would suggest taking your girls in and having them sit in back while you test drive and see what they think
  • panzerpanzer Posts: 125
    About the radio: I have the upgraded stereo. The sound quality is pretty good and is what I expected. The cd player is the part that plain quit on the radio, three times. You can tell when it's about to go, when you hear a quick high pitched sound shot when you are playing a cd that you know was not in the music. Some time after that, it will stop accepting cds, or quit playing. By the way, Delco (GM) makes VW radios.

    My little ones are also grown up and have left the nest. My wife thinks the seat is hard in back, but then again, we hardly ever agree on cars or comfort. She has hers, I have mine. I like hard seats, as long as they fit. Whenever I've ridden in back, I 've been comfortable. It is smaller in back than any other 5300 pound car I'm aware of. The 4runner is not bad in back, probably even roomier.
  • klauskklausk Posts: 14
    Anybody know anything about a Touareg Diesel? The V10 is not available anymore, was ver pricey too. In Germany they offer a V6, sounds very good. Mercedes will offer the M Class with a 3.2 l I6 diesel this fall. With todays Gas prices and the fuel economy of the t-reg, an economical diesel would be very nice.
  • cat3126cat3126 Posts: 43
    My son in law who lives in Switzerland has the new V-6 diesel He says it is great.The V-6 diesel is a common rail engine,ultra high injection pressures,with a particulate filter that requires the use of low sulphur fuel. The US trucking industry has stalled the introduction of low sulphur until 07 or 08 in the US. I would think that the V-6 would then be available.
    I understand that the V-10 will be made available in 07.The V-10 is somewhat of a dirty engine and not legal in some states.
  • desertbdesertb Posts: 2
    The V10TDI is coming this late summer and will be in all 50 states. It will be a 2006 MY. California may get delivery any time now. As they are slated to get it first.

    Rumor is VW is working on bringing the V6TDI to the states but no one knows when yet.
    Thats the one I am waiting for. I have the V6 now no problems in the past year of ownership "Knocks on wood" :)
  • laderakingladeraking Posts: 69
    Is there an option for Aluminum or Metal Trim instead of wood?
  • tencjeddtencjedd Posts: 44
    I have an 05 V8 with about 17k miles on it. My decision was down to the X5, Touareg, and Pathfinder after owning to Grand Cherokees. While I loved the Pathfinder's room and functionality, the German cars just drove so much nicer. I was hesistant to buy the Touareg based on the early reliability reports, but chalked it up to the usual glitches associated with a brand new model. I waited for them to work out the first year glitches, and then dove in last summer. With 17k miles, I can only report having to go back to the dealer once due to a problem with the passenger side airbag sensor. My son had been sitting in the seat when I started the car, then got out, which deactivated the airbag, and then got back in, which threw the sensor for a loop. Took 30 minutes to correct at the dealer, and it hasn't happened since (and we've tried to set it off again). Otherwise the car has been a joy to own and drive. Oil changes while infrequent (every 10K after the first one at 5k) are expensive if done at the dealer. In the end, the cost is the same if you had been doing it every 3500 miles. I can't say enough about the adjustable air suspension if you really like to drive. Some days you want it to handle tight, some days you want a soft ride. The car has been a pleasure to drive, and the engine sings all the way to redline without skipping a beat. Certainly other people have had worse experiences, but it appears that quality outside of the 1st year has improved greatly.
  • panzerpanzer Posts: 125
    Congratulations on your experience thus far. You are rolling the dice with the 10K oil changes. The manual says 5K intervals. If you spin a bearing or something, expect VW to laugh at you. I'm not saying 10k is unreasonable, but it is clearly not taking care of your car by the book. Within 5k or less, you are looking at $1000 worth of tires. I guess most high performance cars eat tires about every 18-23k miles. At 40k (or before) you are looking at brake fluid change, new pads, rotors and sensors on all four wheels, all for $1800. Have you had some $100 wiper blades yet? Have you looked at resales lately? Welcome to the club. I love mine too, but the thing is killing me, and I'm not poor.
  • morey000morey000 Posts: 354
    Is it just me...
    or do the rest of you look at the new Hyundai Tucson and think its a pretty good looking little 'ute.

    Looks a lot like the Touareg- doesn't it?

    (I just said "looks")

    They keep catching my eye.
    :shades:
  • klauskklausk Posts: 14
    Why can one not do their own oil change? There are drill motor driven pumps available at boat shops, with which you can suck the oil out through the dip stick shaft. I have done that on my Benz E430 and it orks well. Now I have a Benz E320CDI, where the dealer changes oil for me and they suck it out through the dip stick also. I bring him 8 quarts of Mobil One and they change it for $15.00 plus the price for the filter. Why can a Volkswagen dealer not do the same? I will explore that with my local VW dealer when the T-Reg diesel arrives and if he will not do it, I will just opt for a Benz M-Class diesel as soon as they come out.
  • panzerpanzer Posts: 125
    I do some of my own oil changes on the Touareg. It's no big deal. Just crank the suspension up to full off-road, take off the undershield and have at it. As far as sucking oil out the dipstick tube, that's not necessary if you are changing the filter, and I hope you are changing the filter, especially with a diesel. Why would you go to the trouble of sucking oil out the dipstick tube when all you have to do is drain it out of the pan before you pull the filter off? You are already about 8 inches away, and I would guess you get more oil out than with a pump. Just my 2 cents.
  • pduddypduddy Posts: 4
    Can anyone comment on or have an idea as to when/if the SUV price collapse is coming? I'm patiently waiting and wondering who is dumping inventory ... XC-90's, Explorer, Land Rover, Sequoia etc... any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Looking for a great bargain...35k range...$400/month lease range
  • morey000morey000 Posts: 354
    Apparently, $3/gallon in the US still isn't high enough to get us to change our lifestyles much. If it hasn't happened yet, perhaps it's not going to. However- the touaregs seem to be going very cheap on the used market. So you may be able to get yourself $50K worth of slightly used 'egg for mid 30's.
  • tryntobuytryntobuy Posts: 3
    Thanks for your input. We still haven't made a decision, the PAC has actually stayed out of the shop since my last post. With the price of gas, I'm just finding it hard to take the plunge. I find myself driving our Jeep Liberty more often even though it's not much better on gas. So right now I'll keep admiring as they drive by!
  • jkrug9jkrug9 Posts: 2
    I have a 2004 V6 Touareg and am in the market for new tires. I have 33,000 miles on my Dunlop ST8000's (which wore slightly better than bicycle tires on a mustang) and am on borrowed time. Has anyone had particularly good luck with anything else out there? Certainly not going to get another set of these. Any input is appreciated.
  • panzerpanzer Posts: 125
    You win. I only got 23,000 miles on my ST8000's. You won't find anything with H or V rating that will last longer than you got out of your Dunlops. I've got 20,000 on my second set of tires (Pirelli Zeros) and they are on or near the wear bars in the center. I expect to replace them (or the car) by winter (another 4-6,000 miles). Dealers are putting the other Dunlops (200?) on their certified cars. I guess they are cheaper and wear better than the SP8000's according to my service manager. Michelin makes their Cross Terrain in our size, but it is only rated S. They wear like iron and behave decently in rain and snow. I have them on my kid's Trooper. It might be tough to get a tire dealer to put S rated tires on a Touareg because they are supposed to have H or V speed rated tires. By the way, save up a few bucks for your new brakes. That's a budget buster.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,611
    "The 2007 Touareg SUV in dealers now is what Volkswagen refers to as an "early 2007." It's essentially unchanged from the 2006 Touareg except for a new base 3.6-liter V6 in place of the '06 model's 3.2-liter engine."

    The second coming of the 2007 Volkswagen Touareg (Inside Line)

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  • jholleyjholley Posts: 3
    I just pirchased a Touareg for my wife. We found a 2006 V8 with 10,000 miles on it and are very happy with it. It does have the most complicated electronics system (nav,system controls, sccessory settings) I have ever seen in an automoblle.
    When we put the car in reverse not only does the backup camera come on but the radio comes on as well. My dealer says this is the same as all of them. I find this hard to believe and can think of no reason why this should happen. Any Help? (The radio goes off when you shift fron reverse to drive.)
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    It's probably just a case of the backup camera system being poorly integrated into the system electronics. My guess is that the camera and video screen don't have a separate switch for power and rely on the radio being on to operate. Thus, when you go to reverse, it automatically switches on the radio to get its power.

    I would think a dual-path power source to the screen would solve the problem. One path controlled by the radio power switch and the other controlled by the reverse gear switch. Basically, it could be run inline with the reverse lights. The problem with running it that way would be that the second power path would have to be defeated by the primary power path if it is active. In which case, you'd have no reverse lights.

    But anyway, it could be more logically integrated but VW chose not to.
  • My service book has the oil changes as : 5k, 10k, 20k, 30k, 40k...etc. No different than what the intervals would have been had I bought the X5. I certainly questioned the dealer, and their response was, with the synthetic oil, no need to change every 5k after the first two.

    I had 1 wiper blade replaced under warranty due to a dead spot in the blade, and have used RainX since, which has greatly improved wiper performance. If I had a complaint it would be the auto-rain sensor is unreliable.

    As for $1800 brakes, I look at it this way...I'm driving a 310HP, $55k car which weighs 2.5 tons empty. Good brakes are a small price to pay for safety. I had a minor fender bender when a woman made an illegal left hand turn in front of me. What should have been a major head on was almosted avoided because the car stopped on a dime. Now you want to talk expensive...a cracked headlight lens, scratched bumper, curb rashed 18" alloy, and front quarter panel set her insurance company back $5500.
  • Mine came with Conti 4x4 Contacts. I got 20k out of them, which seemed to be "average" based on other people's experiences. Full time 4x4 will always wear tires faster than a vehicle that allows you to control 4x2 vs. 4x4 mode (which my last 2 Grand Cherokees did - the SelecTrac 4x4's always enjoyed better tire wear).

    I ended up buying Toyo Proxes S/T's which are 109V rated. More than enough for the Treg's load and speed. Tire dealer gave me a 30 day return guarantee since I was skeptical, but have to say these tires have been great. Treadwear rating of 420, so I'm expecting about 30k miles out of them. We'll see. Not so sure they would be great snow tires since there is no siping in the tread design, but I was able to pick up an additional set of take-off 18" Manhattans on the Club Touareg Forum for $500 (for all 4), and put a set of dedicated snows (Pirelli Scorpion Ice and Snows) for $759/set installed. They get great reviews on both 1010tires.com and Tirerack.com. Actually looking forward to the first snow fall.
  • It's actually an inherent design flaw in the Nav Radio system. Much the same way you can't run the Navigation system without the radio or CD player being engaged. They can't be seperated from one another.
  • panzerpanzer Posts: 125
    The oil gets pretty dirty in 5k miles. I change every 5-7k because I do mostly drives over 10 miles with very little stop and go. I think that's reasonable.

    The auto rain sensor could be better.

    To have rotors and pads on all 4 wheels toast at 40k miles, that's a bit excessive. I am not an aggressive driver, mostly highway and easy suburban. Pads at 30-40k and rotors at 60-80k would be a little more like it. While my rotors were just in spec, they would have never made it through another set of pads, hence replacement. The brakes are indeed good, but not that good. Five cents a mile just for brake consumables? I think that's nuts. After this one's sold, it will be a long time before I look at VW's again.

    Parts for all cars are ridiculously high. I'm happier when I have to buy fewer rather than more.
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