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  • zezezeze Member Posts: 4
    Would you care to disclose where you bought yours? I think we live in the same area of the country.

    I'm ready to buy and can't find a dealer who is discounting much, if anything, at all.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    I fall into the camp that VW's including the Touareg and the Passat W8 are relative bargains.

    I just got my new Automobile magazine -- they noted the R32 @ "gulp" $32K was "pricey.

    In the same issue, the Phaeton at $62K base for the V8 and over $70K for the W12 were both "relative" bargins.

    The Audi TT with the same 3.2 6 will be over $42K and it is now back in line with "it's worth it."

    I only differ with these notations by saying that to me the VW R32 does not seem expensive when compared with the $42K TT which it shares many components with.

    I still think that the Touareg will be a hot sale item because of its content for $$$. Clearly we don't all see it that way and I think that is healthy.

    I actaully agree that the Phaeton for $62K could be considered a bargain (it was and is compared with Mercedes costing over $80K) -- but I never thought I'd see it in print in Automobile magazine.
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    I’ve been looking for a wagon/SUV to replace my A6 2.8 for about 6 weeks. Except for a brief (18 month) stint with a lovely but extremely uncomfortable Jag S-type V8, I have driven nothing but VW and Audi products since 1981. I had been following the Touareg since the beginning in the European car magazines, and was certain it would be the perfect vehicle for me, especially in V10 form.

    When the Touareg was finally released on June 30, it was quite a shock. The local dealer marked it up and wouldn’t let me drive it – (he almost wouldn’t let me sit in it). I finally drove one and really liked it, especially the engine, the fit & finish, the design and styling. I was turned off by the smallish back seat and the excess weight and unnecessary (for my needs) off-road equipment. I was also turned off by the expensive and heavy options that drove the price up to $49K and the curb weight to 5600 lbs.

    I expanded my search to the 2004 Touareg, a 2003 allroad 2.7T, a certified 2001 X5 4.4, V8 and a 2004 Volvo XC90 T6. They are all priced in the $42 - $45K range.

    The allroad is terrific, except for a slight turbo lag and tiptronic hesitation off the line. It is beautiful, impeccably built and finished, and fast. But its engine left me cold, it sounds unrefined and strained under load. No comparison to a BMW I6, or any V8. The 2004 4.2 s are available but beyond my target price. In the end I had to eliminate the allroad because it does not meet the 6000 lb. gvwr I need for the section 179 tax break.

    The Volvo was compellingly practical and straightforward. I could make a great case for buying it just based on the clean-cut interior and third row seat. I like the looks. It looked perfect on paper. I seriously considered European delivery at the end of December. But after driving the BMW and VW V8s and coming back to the twin turbo I6, I was totally underwhelmed. For the money, it lacks personality and a decent engine/tranny.

    The X5 was impressive, its power almost brutish. The ride was choppy and hard, it felt like the wheelbase was too short. The finish materials and interior design are inferior to both the Volvo and the VW. The engine is set so far back in the chassis (I assume to achieve the vaunted 50-50 weight distribution) that it robbed space from my right leg, making it somewhat uncomfortable to drive longer distances. The dash was odd and angled up, and I could never see the radio and clock display (with and without nav) in daylight. The car had more wind and road noise than the other three. But that engine was so sweet and flexible, it almost made all these objections irrelevant. In the end, I eliminated the X5 because I intend to keep the car for at least 6 years. After 3 years, the X5 will be six years old and have run close to 90000 miles. Because of pricing, I never considered a new model.

    I drove the Treg again, right after the X5, with the wife and 3 kids. This time, it was a “bare bones” V8, and I couldn’t find anything I didn’t like about it. The steering, handling and engine were right up there with the X5, although it felt a smidgen more ponderous and less loose. The ride and road noise were better. The cabin is impeccable, the front seat is very roomy, and the styling is classy and elegant (more than I can say for the X5). I am not hung up on brand names and labels, and I’ve always liked the low-key nature and image of VWs and Audis compared to the BMW or MB. I’ve had three trouble-free Passats and two Jettas and my A6 has been perfect, so I’m not concerned about reliability.

    And finally, for $42K, I can have a lovely V8, a gorgeous interior with good-quality leather and wood, heated seats, and even rain-sensing wipers. For thousands less than even a 3.0 X5.

    One local dealer has quoted me $2000 over invoice (best I can tell about $1400 below MSRP), and another, $1000 below MSRP. I am checking with several other local dealers before I place an order.

    In my view, this car is an incredible value. The same V8 in the Audi is about $10K more, and the BMW V8 is $14K more. You just can’t beat it. Especially if I can get an even better discount.
  • c5loverc5lover Member Posts: 17
    Sambuca, I couldn't agree more. My V8 has only the NAV option - who needs those complicated air shocks/suspension? "Cricket" leather looks like it will wear better than Nappa, too.
    The V8, with standard equipment, is one helluva bargain!
  • thor8thor8 Member Posts: 303
    Can anyone comment on this, the article says the Touareg V10 TDI will be available in a few months, I have kept up with the development of the V10 since the very beginning and I for once would like to have one of this powerful modern diesels.

    http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=43013
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    Should probably be available by the end of Q1 2004 for 45 States...Ca./NE excluded for emissions. And, with any luck in all 50 States by Q4 2004 as a 2005...;)
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    There are really 3 completely different allroad's available in the US. If you test drive an allroad 2.7T w/tiptronic you are getting, IMHO, the LEAST desirable model. Drive the allroad 2.7T with a 6spd and the car is totally transformed.

    If you MUST have a tiptronic, the only one to go with would be the allroad 4.2.

    Be aware, however, that "tip lag" is still a feature of this transmission. The turbo lag sometimes mentioned is possible but not all that probable, as the engine reaches full torque below 2000 rpm -- most folks find the differences between the two cars (2.7T versions that is) with the two transmissions is like night and day.

    Moreover, the 0 -62MPH time of the 6spd is 6.8 seconds; the V8 can only muster 6.9 seconds and the 2.7T is 7.3 seconds (tip version saps the power).

    The allroad with EVERY POSSIBLE option (except solar sunroof and auto transmission) plus the "factory" phone is just south of $50K -- and is usually discounted decently.

    The air suspension of the allroad gives it nearly Jeep Grand off road capabilities and it can tow 3,300 pounds if that is important.

    The only problem with the allroad right off the truck is that the OEM tires -- kindly said -- ain't worth a damn, they suck! So, truth be told you'll need another $400 - $500 for all new rubber from the get go. My dealer immediately took the factory rubber off and put on Pilot Sport A/S and even plus sized them for me. I decided to keep the stock rubber so when I turn the car in I can put back the new tires and it will be back to "normal."

    For what it is worth, the 2.7T allroad w/6spd is among the quickest if not THE quickest almost SUV out there; it is more off road capable than the BMW and less off road capable than the Touareg.

    The main point, worth repeating, is to test the allroad in both tip and 6spd form before you form any impression.

    Of course I would offer the same advice on the Touareg -- try both engine versions.
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    C5lover, I think that's the trick. The V8 is so well equipped that none of the options are needed.

    I looked at the Teak interior in both Nappa and cricket, and actually prefer the look of the cricket. The premium plus package seems over the top. The air suspension seems great, but it adds weight, complexity and cost - and I for one don't intend to use the Treg off road. I'm more concerned about performance and fuel (in)efficiency and cost. The standard V8 is an X5 beater as is.
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    Markcincinnati, I drove the allroad after reading some of your many posts on the car. I had previously written it off because on previous drives, I felt the tiptronic didn't bring out the best in the 2.7T- the combination didn't quite feel right, either in the A6 or the allroad.

    Unfortunately the 6-speed isn't an option for me since I commute in bumper to bumper traffic and am always on my cell phone. (Also, my wife has to drive my car some three times a year and can't drive a stick).

    The V8 allroad was terrific. It is a class act and is superior to the S6 as a package IMO. I would have bought it if not for the tax break (I have to finance and not lease, so anything over the low $40s gets really expensive, and the car has to weigh more than 6000 lb gvwr).

    The allroad v8 is lighter, more stylish and less imposing than the Treg V8, but a few thousands more expensive. The 2.7T 6-spd is all the above but faster and cheaper.

    In the end, I agree with you that you have to drive all the versions, and decide which one is best for you based on your parameters, like the section 179 tax break.
  • rollierollie Member Posts: 337
    We're in the same situation. My review of these vehicles (X5, Touareg) is nearly identical to yours. In the end we've just about settled on a XC90 T6 or Executive (waiting to see what the price will be) and we'll add a chip for $1k to make up the difference with the V8 SUVs for power. In our case we decided that occasional third row usage was dictated which ruled out the Touareg (the X5 was long scratched due to ride quality and price for the 4.4 in addition to age since its about to be replaced.) Now I've just got to wait until January when the Mrs' lease expires...

    Thanks.

    -rollie
    rdollie@att.net
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Please send in a Feedback Form about that factory thing. An editor may not see your post in here. They may go by the final assembly plant as noted by Dieselbreath though.

    Thanks,

    Steve, Host
  • klauskklausk Member Posts: 14
    Sambuca, where can you get a discount on a Touareg V8? One dealer quotes full sticker and as I understand another dealer wants $2000 over sticker.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Sometimes "humor" doesn't translate well but what I will say is not meant literally: your wife can't drive a stick. Hmmm get a new wife! See, humor, Henny Youngman style "take my wife. . .please" doesn't translate well.

    Seriously, your wife should learn to drive a stick -- there is every reason to believe that sometime somewhere it could be important. So I don't accept that excuse :). Second, and this is serious, may I request that you not drive while using your cell phone unless your phone is both hand and eyes free (which in the allroad with the combination of On*star and the built in/removable "factory" phone you automatically get.)

    If you would like the stick shift and traffic is so heavy that you can't "enjoy it" well that is one thing; but I promise you there will be "laws" removing our rights to even talk on the phone in the car -- and (I'm winking and smiling) you will be part of the reason for this draconian measure.

    Today with the technology that is available there is no reason for anyone to have to hold a phone while driving.

    The other reason I am railing on about this is, even though I don't know you, I have no reason to want you harmed or killed -- and the chances that that fate will befall you are very greatly improved if you continue to drive and use a cell phone that is other than hand and eyes free.

    Now about that weight thing, perhaps we could have a steel plate welded to the allroad V8 and then it would weigh enough to meet the requirements.

    Nothing I am saying suggest however that I think the V8 Touareg is anything less than a genuine value and a great SUV!

    Drive it like you live! (hopefully safely)
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    Cute! I should have known I’d get in trouble when I wrote that! Seriously though, my wife is smart, lovely and talented, but completely incapable of, and disinterested in, learning to drive a manual transmission. Driving is a necessary chore to her, and she just hates it. She’s put enough scratches and dents on her Odyssey to prove it. That's Ok, of course, I always get to drive.

    I appreciate your comments about driving and cellphones. OnStar sounds like a pretty good system. I had a voice activated hands free phone in my S-type, and it never worked right for me. I’ve been using a V60 with one button preprogrammed numbers and a hands-free headset for a while now. Works well for me. I’m pretty careful and take no chances when it comes to driving. I want to make it home to tuck in my 3 kids every night.

    As for the weight thing, at first I was turned off by the whole idea of a 6000+ lb vehicle. But then I spoke with my CPA and drove the Treg with steel springs. A match made in heaven!
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    I live in the San Francisco Bay area. In July, everybody was quoting sticker plus markup, with the exception of a couple dealers quoting straight MSRP. This month, the markups seem to have disappeared, and some dealers have a good supply (8+ cars) and seem more willing to deal.

    I expect to have four firm quotes in hand by Thursday. As soon as I have them in writing, I’ll let you know for sure. Let’s see who follows through on their phone promises.
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    Rollie, good luck with the XC90. the car makes a whole lot of sense. You'll also be buying a second year car, after they've had a chance to iron out the early bugs. I know that's a chance I'm taking with the VW.

    Even though the Treg is less practical, and some would say less of a luxury brand, I have this thing about the burble and power delivery of the Treg and X5 V8s. Passion over reason.
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    is strong in V6s, but certainly not V8s...We have just gotten the last of our original Launch T-Regs from the Port of Houston, and they are all
    sold units...
  • roweerowee Member Posts: 21
    Thanks for letting me know about the Feedback Form. I do hope Edmunds Editors will rectify the misleading info. they are giving their readers re production of the T-Reg. incidently I think Dieselbreath is wrong; T-Regs are not shipped back to Germany. Cayenne platforms are.
  • bklyndougbklyndoug Member Posts: 2
    been reading this thread with interest and was curious about a couple of things. first, many of you seem to made up your minds to not go with the air suspension. however, i'm interested in maxing out the on-road performance. anyone have any thoughts on whether the sport mode on the air suspensiion "outperforms" the typical suspension?
    second, a couple of folks have made reference to a tax break for vehicles over 6K gvwr. can you elaborate on this? what kind of tax savings does this represent? thanks.
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    IMO, the air suspension will outperform the steel springs, and add benefits such as ride height. The option costs only $2,300 but so far I’ve only seen it on cars with the $7000 premium plus package. It also seems to add some 200+ lbs of weight (my rough estimate – not certain) and therefore impacts acceleration and gas mileage, not to mention complexity. OTOH, this system has been used in the Audi allroad since 2001, and in the new Phaeton and A8L, so I’m assuming they’ve worked out the bugs.

    I found a good explanation of the tax break at this link, on autospies.com. http://www.imakenews.com/autospies/e_article000154682.cfm . I have also seen several articles in the NYT and others. Basically, if you are self-employed and purchase a new vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 6000 lbs or more (not the curb weight) for business use, then you can depreciate the entire value of the vehicle in the first year, up to $100,000. I researched this and found that many medium sized SUVs qualify for this, even the X5 3.0 and the XC90 2.5T, as well as the Touareg and the Cayenne. The Explorer/Aviator and even the Lexus GX470 do not. Sadly, the Audi allroad does not either. I discussed this at length with my CPA first.

    So if you buy a $45K Touareg, it looks like you can expense the entire cost on your 2003 taxes. That would be quite compelling.
  • shifty4shifty4 Member Posts: 53
    This link will get you to a listing of both trucks and SUV's eligible along with their GUVW.
    Caution-The Lexus GL470 is listed, but does include a 6000lb GUVW.

    http://kiplinger.com/php/tools/trucktax/tax.php
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    for Touareg simply too new...Edmunds just getting pricing #s....
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    This looks pretty useful. BTW, the Volvo XC90 should be on this list, the 2.5T weighs 6008 lbs and the T6 6080lbs. gvwr. The Gvwr is always indicated in the manufacturers' ID plate which is usually found in the driver's door jamb. I'll be taking a picture of mine (after I get my Treg) as proof.
  • bigeddybigeddy Member Posts: 181
    sambuca: "BTW, the Volvo XC90 should be on this list, the 2.5T weighs 6008 lbs and the T6 6080lbs. gvwr."

    Only with the 7-seat Versatility package. The 5-seaters are under 6000#.
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    klausk, I can confirm that I have four hard quotes (two of which included a bid on my trade in) which are less than MSRP. Two of those dealers even show an additional dealer markup of 5,995 on their windows. So, it can be done.

    I used the Edmunds "get a quote" service to contact a bunch of dealers. I found the majority to be quite responsive and reasonably flexible. At first, they were only interested in dealing on cars they had on the lot, but when they confirmed I was serious and ready to buy on the spot, they all agreed they could locate one for me. I found one very competitive dealer in a post on vwvortex.

    I’ve put down a deposit on the exact car I want, with the dealer who was extremely straightforward: it is scheduled to be delivered by the end of the month.
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    What did they find for you?
  • dieselbreathdieselbreath Member Posts: 243
    So, is the T-reg completely finished in Bratislava? (I'm sure I spelled that wrong)

    I haven't seen any definitive details on final assembly anywhere. I'm curious if you have any more information.
  • dieselbreathdieselbreath Member Posts: 243
    Here's another take on "air-ride":

    I asked the service manager of my Mercedes dealer why they dropped the air suspension (this was decades back, when I was driving a 300SEL 4.5 V8, the last of the monster, air-ride Benz cars). He said: "The air suspension is an expensive system that lets you drive safely at high speeds over bad roads. Mercedes determined that most customers in North America don't actually drive at high speeds over bad roads. The cost exceeded the benefit."

    And he was right ... it was easy to drive nearly double the speed limit on most highways without a feeling that you're travelling fast.

    So, if you're regularly driving on bad surfaces, the air option should be checked out. But if you're on smooth streets and interstates its probably a waste of money. Any feed-back from owners with Air?
  • jaekyun2jaekyun2 Member Posts: 8
    There should be difference... however...
    v6 with air suspension and rear lock(full option) vs. v8 full option.. is there much difference when ride on onroad and offroad? I'm affraid to waste money to get V8.

    I test drived T-reg V8, XC90 t6, Avaitor, Yukon Denali(just for fun), last week...

    The best drive was Tourreg V8 in my experience!! but, how about V6? because I want to get V6 one...
  • c5loverc5lover Member Posts: 17
    Considering the V8 comes with the Cricket leather standard - you're getting a lot for the extra dollars.
    Drove my V8 100 mile round-trip today, passing some slowpokes on a divided two-lane blacktop. I would not have been able to safely execute most of those passes with the V6.

    Get the V8!
  • spockcatspockcat Member Posts: 100
    Depends upon the price difference between V6 and V8 model in your country. Also whether they give extra features in the V8 model versus the V6 model. In the USA, they give a bunch of extra features on the V8 momdel. When you add these features to the V6 model the cost of the V8 engine is only about $3500, much of which you will get back when you sell the car. The cost of the fuel to run the V8 is not so much in the US either (about $150 to $200/year).

    So the V8 is really not that much more expensive here in the USA. Now in Korea, it may be completely different.
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    I'm getting offroad grey w/ teak int. No nav, no air suspension, no premium plus. I would have liked shadow blue or blue silver, but neither of them come with the teak. After two Passats, a Jetta and the A6 with beige interiors, I'm ready for a change.
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    I am presuming that you got the V6...Have you tried driving it in "S" v "D"? Boosts the torque a ton...
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    I'm getting the V8. I figured if I'm spending that much, I should get a lusty engine that I'll never get tired of. Won't have it till the end of the month, though. Can't wait.

    How does the S setting affect your gas mileage?
  • cotmccotmc Member Posts: 1,081
    For those who haven't seen it, the latest Consumer Reports September issue rates several new luxury SUVs, including the V6 Touareg. (Review details are available online via a CRXtra link.) Their 0-60 acceleration time was 11.9 seconds, and overall fuel economy was 15mpg, with premium fuel. With those numbers, why not jump up to the V8?
  • sambucasambuca Member Posts: 17
    I've been browsing the European sites, and found the following links on Auto, Motor & Sport, the leading German car mag. They have tests of the V8 and the V10 TDi, and two comparison tests in which the Touareg V6 beats the X5 3.0 as well as the ML 350 and the XC90. They really like the Treg. The ratings are on page 2. If you don't read German, I think there's a way to translate this through Yahoo.

    http://www.auto.t-online.de/test_technik/vergleichstest_3er_displ- ay.jhtml?repId=/contentrepositories/DE_de_comparisonTestReportRep- ositoryXML/XML/ComparisonTest357.xml

    http://www.auto.t-online.de/test_technik/vergleichstest_3er_displ- ay.jhtml?repId=/contentrepositories/DE_de_comparisonTestReportRep- ositoryXML/XML/ComparisonTest352.xml
  • jaekyun2jaekyun2 Member Posts: 8
    I know that T-reg, well.. I can tell Volkswagen, is cheaper than BMW and Benz in American market..
    In Korea, BMW and Mercedes are also some more expensive than Volkswagen..
    However!! The T-reg price, just issued, is almost same as those two German Luxuries.

    The difference (at price) is sooo little.
    Is T-reg V8 that worth as BMW X5 V8 4.4L or ML500 V8?
  • prajapatiprajapati Member Posts: 33
    NO!
  • talicoattalicoat Member Posts: 1
    I test drove a V8 T-reg a few days ago. It had the air suspension, and a few other options. As a whole it was pretty impressive. One issue that I saw was that there is a noticeable lag during acceleration from a stop. It was akin to a gas powered golf cart, where you step on the gas, wait and then the acceleration kicks in. Not nearly as pronounced in the T-reg as in a golf cart though.
    Has anyone else felt this, or was it just this particular T-reg?
    There were many things that I did like about it:
    1. Great interior, but the Teak is kind of a strange color. Also Cricket looks nicer than Nappa. Maybe a little too much wood though.
    2. Exterior has a high quality feel, even if the profile looks a lot like a Hyundai Santa fe.
    3. Car handled great, very solid, air suspension added a lot of variety, and seemed well worth getting.

    Botom line: To me it seemed worth the money, and I have not seen a SUV that I like better yet.
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    My friend goes through cycles like I do when it comes to getting new cars. He has a 2001 S4 and I have a 2002 Audi allroad. He wanted the T-Reg because of its additional utility. The dealers in the NYC Metro area (including Long Island) are a bunch of morons. They think they have struck gold with this vehicle and have a very cavalier attitude. One dealer wanted a $500 deposit before we even test drove it! Another dealer didn't feel like going for a test drive because it was 8:00 in the evening and they close at 9:00. One other dealer was willing to let us go but he admonished his car jockey in front of us with some four letter words and we left. Why buy close to a $50,000 car from someone who doesn't know how to treat a customer (or his employees for that matter)? I imagine the service will suck too!!
    Well... my friend came up to my house in NE PA and we went to a dealer in Scranton who was actually a nice guy. Once you're out of NY it is like a different world. We test drove the V6 and turned back after two blocks. That car could NOT get out of its own way. We then took out the v8 with all the goodies and as soon as my friend accelerated I loved the sound of that engine. Thing is, VW engineered TOO much sound to enter the cabin. They need to definitely hush it. The car handled fine until my friend crossed some broken pavement which upset the car's poise. We both heard a creak coming from the car and that was the deal breaker for my buddy. He drove back and was OVER the T-Reg. Overall, I think my friend was too critical but he just didn't like buying a luxury SUV from a dealer network that can take lessons from Saturn!! Too bad, because I think this vehicle has a great deal of potential. VW needs to train their sales people on customer service. I can only imagine what it will be like trying to sell Phaetons!!!! Good luck with your purchase. If you can wait, there WILL BE DEALS to be had. Don't pay MSRP!!!!
  • c5loverc5lover Member Posts: 17
    The T-Reg V8 compares in price/trim level with the BMW and Volvo 6 cylinder machines.
    It blows them away, though. Probably blows away the small BMW V8 too, but I haven't compared.
  • escaflowne_sonescaflowne_son Member Posts: 3
    I think we have a same background, even though I'm a K american. I have a 2-week old T-reg V6 w/ full options (except Air), which I've fallen in love with. However, if I were you, I will go for X5 4.4L. As you mentioned, they would not value VW as high as BMW. And still I like the X5-look better. Moreover, X5 has a proven reliability (vs. VW just released.). Better wait though, until October, for a newly face-lift 2004 X5! My suggestion is; surf the web to find VW T-reg or BMW X5-exclusive forum. And do your homework more. If you need to know about those specific forums, drop me a line to escaflowne_song@hotmail.com. The HOST won't allow me to leave info here.

    AND go with V-8, not V-6. To our surprises, they don't make ANY DIFFERENCE at all when it comes to gas mileages! I'm only getting only 14 (average) on local drive, even though I baby it. I should have purchased V-8. I'm regretting now.
  • roweerowee Member Posts: 21
    place of Cayenne and T-reg platforms. While porsche takes the platforms (on trains) to Germany the vw are produced and shipped from there. so I assume (but NOT sure at all) that these two cousin suv have some differences in quality of the finished product(although I suppose the workers in the porche plant are not Germans any way)
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    . . ."tip" lag that is probably a "feature" of the drive by wire set up that virtually all modern cars in this class have.

    The lag is the computer figuring out what you just asked the engine, transmission combo to do based on your input via the accelerator pedal. Presumably, the thing will "learn" what you want and lag will almost vanish -- almost.

    I had the same thing on my Audi A6 4.2 (MY 2001) very slight "turbo-lag" and of course it was not a turbo.

    I got over it -- but I don't have it now with my 2003 6spd manual allroad.
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    I saw over the last week, V-6's are being advertised by a large dealer for $32,999 delivered.
    Personally I'm not interested as the engine has less power than a Chevy Trailblazer V-6, and the T-Reg is close to 5,000Lb. I'm in no hurry to buy a vehicle so I'd like to look at a "owner's demo." Diesel at some time in the future.

    I'd like to see a "baby T-Reg", stripped down to <3500 Lb with the v-6 or a small diesel. Now that I'd snap up in a minute.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    In theory...could the Touareg people sue VW over profits made by using their name and legendary status (at least according to marketing)? Do you have to get a nomadic tribe to sign a waiver to use their name on a global product?
  • spockcatspockcat Member Posts: 100
    Did the Cherokee sue Jeep? The Dakotas sue Dodge? Canada sue GM over the Yukon? New Mexico sue Hyundai over the Sante Fe? No basis for the theory. Too much PCness here.
  • sbcookesbcooke Member Posts: 2,297
    I don't want to stray too far off topic...however not PC, just curious. Good point about the Cherokee's, however I am not sure if sections of land fall under the same umbrella (yukon/dakota)? Cherokee was utilized a long time before such things got legal backing as well as they didn't use imagery of an Indian to sell the vehicle (at least I never saw any). VW is making a direct link to the people from their marketing, slightly different.

    Imagine if they used a negative stereotype like this car kills like XYZ people there would be basis for a law suit. Using a positive stereotype shouldn't be so widely accessible, because positive to some, may still not be to all. (that was kind of PC)

    The answer to my question may be "no", however I think there is basis to the theory.
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