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Mercedes-Benz SL and SLK (all models)

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Not strange at all. They release models fairly quickly for the European market. We don't get the SL55 here until late fall/early winter. The SL600 is the one I'm waiting for. It has been conspicious by it's abscence. I do believe the current 5.8L V12, which is weak at 362hp IMO, is being upped to a true 6 liters and a hp rating of 400+.

    M
  • dschmidt4dschmidt4 Posts: 13
    Thank you for the information regarding the COMAND system. Any info regarding the windows? I am seriously considering not buying the (ordered) 2003 because of the windows. They look terrible on a $100K plus car. Perhaps M-B will fix this along with upgrading the COMAND system in 2004. This is what I am trying to find out, and of course the dealer is not helpful.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well Comand "II" is due early next year all Mercedes cars. It's supposed to be simpler and more reliable than the current version.

    Whats the problem with the SL's windows?

    M
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    Yes, a 'upgraded' version of the current COMAND system is due early in 2003 but the Nokia sourced system will debut with the next generation S-Class in 2005. This will be a completely new menu/joystick/voice controlled device based on a new OS. And I also would like to know dschmidt4 what is wrong with the SL windows?
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    My Tectite Grey/stone SL finally arrived following European delivery, 8 weeks to the day after I dropped it off near Frankfurt. I like it even better here.

    Now I just need someone to give the phone number of a custom floor mat manufacturer, since the light stone mats are already dirty.
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    Congrats on a great color combo. What is the trunk space like with the top down? I am curious to know. I've opened a launch edition at my dealer but only with the top up. Didn't have time to ask the salesman to drop it and then take a look.
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    With the top down, there is at least space for some soft luggage, but stash the clubs in the passenger seat ;-) I'm amused to read storage justification comments on the SC430 forum. Some even view the "back seat" as a leather-lined storage area. I'm really impressed with the new SL... shoes, does yours also have the Sport Pkg?
  • bodydoublebodydouble Posts: 801
    gets my vote as the number one automotive babe magnet. I'm debating whether to put the kids thru college in a few years' time, or to buy an SL and cruise for college babes NOW, :))
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    I have the same lovely stone interior and faced the identical issue. Any carpet shop should be able to help you on custom floor mats.

    I used a cardboard to trace and drawn up the shape and size of the floor mats, picked a heavy duty commercial grade taupe color carpet from local carpet supplier and had two sets made in less than a week, costed me $100/set. Make sure you drill the holes on the new carpet mats, remove the four plastic round fasteners and put them on the new mat for the complete look!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I spent some time at the dealer yesterday. They had several SLs around. I actually think the Launch Edition model with the 18 inch wheels looks better than the Sport package equipped model. The SL's interior is gorgeous. The whole car just sits on the road in such a way to convey speed even when it's parked. The SL once again is my favorite Mercedes-Benz. The CL coupes have been relegated to 2nd place.

    M
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    Thanks for the carpet tips, w210.

    Even though I drove this car for 500 miles in Germany, these are my first true impressions of driving the SL500 on my own streets.

    The ride quality is excellent. I did not get the sport package, because in my experience with the E55, I don't like the effect 18 inch wheels have on my butt. I have the Michelin Pilot Sport tires and they handle extremely well, or at least seem to because of the active body control. Steering is also wonderful, almost electric. The brakes have taken some getting used to, but I am almost there. They clearly work very well, but the pedal effort is light and sensitive. You already know that the car is gorgeous. My wife talked me out of red, which is a good thing because otherwise I would stop traffic. Stereo is excellent.

    The few bad things so far are: visibility with the top up is just so-so. There is a blind spot on the rear quarter and I sit low and have some problems with the front mirrors. There are a few plasticky rattle noises coming from more than one place. Of course the cupholders are useless, even the auxilliary one they gave me that attaches to the passenger seat.

    Overall it is the best covertible I have ever owned and maybe even the best overall vehicle out of the 78 I have owned so far.
  • dschmidt4dschmidt4 Posts: 13
    In response to prior questions, the windows do not go all the way down, front or rear. The front is a sliver, but noticeable. The rear has about 2 or 3 inches showing. Many photos either white the windows out, or take the shot at an angle that covers it up. The dealer said it was a "design feature" and does not know if M-B will fix it. Obviously, this is a great vehicle (mine is still on order), but I was surprised by this mistake in a $100+K automobile.
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    dschmidt4 - I haven't even noticed it until you mentioned, the rear windows only have maybe less than half an inch sticking out, definitely not 2 or 3 inches vertically.

    shoes - did you notice the noise when you have the top down? I did hear some minor rattling on rough surfaces with the top up (from the rear), asked the dealer to adjust the folding top mechanism, all the noises disappeared. yes, handling is amazing better that the E55 in my opinion.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    The more time I spend with this car, the more I like it. I cannot think of a car that drives or handles better in the sense that it is both plush and comfortable and stable at the same time.

    I have to be honest and tell you that there are ratlles, lots of them, mostly associated with the top whether it is up or down. They do not detract from my ownership experience, and I am not surprised given I own one of the very first produced.

    Mercedes has already sent me questionnaires to ask me what I think about the brakes and the cupholders (of all things!). I gave them a hard time about the cupholders before I used the mugs they provided for me when I pickup up the car. There is tall black plastic mug which reads SL Class, which fits perfectly in the cupholder (they also provided) which plugs into the forward part of the passenger seat. I was driving the other day with a full cup and had to stop quite quickly and the cup stayed firmly in its holder. Very impressive (for a German car). I went through this same exercise with my 2002 Porsche 911 and after driving two blocks from my favorite coffee shop, I hit a small bump in the road and the coffee exploded all over the interior of the Porsche. Needless to say, I don't use those snazzy new cupholders in the Porsche anymore.
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    I'm going to design a cup lid that negates the "Old Faithful" experience in a Starbucks cup every time you hit a bump of any kind. Gonna get rich;-) Got tired of cleaning coffee stains off my Oyster Leather and carpeting!

    Have a new MB cup for my CLK that works pretty well, but still want to design something that costs a fraction of a cent to produce that can be sold for a dime... Lookout Starbucks.
  • There is a great write up of 5 of the world's fastest cars in the current Automobile Magazine. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, Ferrari 575M, Lamborghini Murcielago, 911 Turbo, and the SL55.

    The review is very complimentary of the SL55. The article even goes so far as to call it and the 911 Turbo bargains when compared to the rivals which cost $250K+. Make sure you check it out...
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    will be the new E55 with the same engine as the SL55 at half its price?
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Or the Viper. Not to call Vipers well-mannered but supposedly the new one is very liveable and controllable while retaining its existing price point. In terms of performance sports cars, if bolted together well enough it may prove to be the top bargain of all - SL55/911 Turbo performance for under $80k.
  • dschmidt4dschmidt4 Posts: 13
    In response to w210 -- perhaps my two rentals in LA were the exception, or perhaps M-B has figured out how to lower the windows a bit further, but I can assure you that they stuck up at least two or three inches on my rentals. Thanks for responding.
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    dschmidt4 - for what is worth, I just used a ruler to measure, both front and rear windows stick out less than half an inch. Interesting it's an adjustable item I suppose, mine was the first batch got it in March.

    Just curious how much did the rental company charge per day for the SL?
  • free707free707 Posts: 6
    Shoes - How did you get Euro delivery on your SL? The web site does not list the model and my dealer has said no-go. I have a build date of October and would love to pick it up in Germany.

    BTW, are the SL's delivered at Sindelfegen (probably mis-spelled). I thought when I toured there, they said the SL's were build somewhere else.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    There is no formal European delivery available for the first year of new models, so you cannot arrange this via the website. However, my dealer was kind enough to give up one of his allocation and arrange for the car to be delivered in Germany. Since I had purchased five other Mercedes from him, I guess I earned his kindness. This was a hassle for him, so unless you are tight with your dealer, you may have trouble arranging it.

    The SL500's are manufactured in Northern Germany and they shipped my SL to the Sindelfingen delivery center outside Stuttgart because that is where I wanted to receive it. I could have arranged delivery in the North if I had preferred. It was a blast since this was the first and only SL Sindelfingen had delivered and they were pretty excited about it. I dropped the car outside Frankfurt and received it 7 weeks later.
  • free707free707 Posts: 6
    This is my 5th in five years from this dealer, so I will test his customer orientation. Can you elaborate a little on what it means for him to "give up one of his allocation" ? If I am already on the build list, can this be swapped for a European delivery without adversely affecting the dealer's allotment? Thanks.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    If you already have a car being built, your dealer may be able to arrange for the car to be shipped to Sindelfingen for delivery instead of directly to the dealership. This is what my guy did for me, but I had alerted him to my desire about a year in advance so he had time to work on it. If your dealer is confused, have him contact Joe Thomer at Mercedes of Oakland and ask him how he was able to do this. I hope this works out for you because I really enjoyed driving the SL at 135 MPH on the Autobahn.
  • free707free707 Posts: 6
    Thanks for the tip. I picked up an S and after chomping-at-the-bit during the break-in, found a nice open stretch and hit something like 135. As best I can recall, I think the speed governor kicked in at 136. It was a kick to turn on the cruise control and get the digital readout "Cruise Control 136". The SL will be even better - worth the 6-8 weeks delay in getting it back.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well now the SL55 gets 493hp. Gee Whiz! I didn't think Mercedes would ever market a car here with so much power.


    http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container_fm.jsp?/future/sl55/glance.jsp&pl_fm_model=sl55&menu=2


    M

  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Power output is up across the board. ENTRY LEVEL luxury coupes and sedans are hitting 260hp with a ton of torque to boot. You can get a 405hp Z06 without having to pay over sticker. A whole variety of cars are pushing past 400hp, so I'm not surprised to see the company cranking the power.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    There aren't as many cars as you might think that have 400hp+. It's still a pretty exclusive club.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Not for long.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    We'll see about that.

    Here is an online "blurb" for you"

    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/63936/page007.html

    M
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