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Mercedes-Benz SL and SLK (all models)

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  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    Quite agree with everything mentioned in the article except the SL500's top can be lowered in 16 seconds and not 21 seconds..
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I read that blurb yesterday. Seemed like the SL and SC both did very well in not having to answer to their competition. (One being more sporty, the other more luxurious.) Poor Jaguar, will they ever get a good critical review.
  • kdudekdude Posts: 22
    I hear Tectite Grey was discontinued as a choice of color for SL (don't know about other models)! This after only a few months of production!

    Do you guys know if this is true? I can't get the same answers from the two dealers I work with.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    "Seemed like the SL and SC both did very well in not having to answer to their competition."

    What????

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    "What????"

    Exactly what I said. The SL was a heck of a roadster and in most dimensions the best money can buy. The SC was also a heck of a roadster and hands down the most serene and luxurious roadster money can buy. That's what I took away from the article. Jaguar - bad. Porsche - Good. SC430 - Really really really good. SL500 - Really really really really good.

    I've now seen a '03 SL500 and continue to be unimpressed by Mercedes interior design, it doesn't look substantially different from a SLK230... or a C240 for that matter. At risk of starting another fight with you, I do believe the SC430 has the most elegant and beautiful interior in a production car. If that's the top priority for a prospective buyer, the SC really is a heck of a car, irrespective of price, and I thought that came through in the comparo quite clearly.
  • I beg to differ on the interior of the SC430. Yeah it has loads of wood, cool gimmickry, and leather, but I still think the interior of the Jag is more upscale. The Lexus just seems too tacked on. The car does not feel solid. Especially when compared to the 911, Maserati, Jag, or SL. Those cars seem so much more substantial and better crafted.

    I believe that luxury is more than skin deep. Its craftsmanship, heft, chassis solidity, etc. These are all weak points for the Lexus. Perhaps that is where a lot of the cost difference is. For the money, it is a great vehicle. But in no way would I say it has the best interior. If you are willing to trade style for substance, then the Lexus is a good buy. However, most in this price range are too discriminating.
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    Comparison of the new SL interior with the SLK or the C240 is simply nutty. Please let us know what specific styling cues allow you to reach this conclusion - as not a single interchangeable component exists among the three. I'm just going to have to say this... the Lexus simply appeals to the more feminine car buyer... both in "feel" and in driving dynamics. Nothing wrong with that, as my wife, a loyal MB driver, really likes the SC. Would have no problem seeing her in that car, but I probably wouldn't borrow it from her too often!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I have never seen anyone as confused as you. You said the SL and SC did a good job at "not having to answer to their competition". Then you say the SL is the best there is??? The SL and the SC did just that, answer to their competition, mainly the XKR/8 only the Maserati was missing. As far as the SL and the SC themselves they were in the same test, compared with each other.

    If anything the 911 didn't belong, it's a sports car first.

    Now about Mercedes' interior design. You're blind if you don't see a difference between the SL500 and the C240 or SLK. The SLK is no where near the same as the SL. Didn't say you had to like it or be impressed, but you don't see a difference? Yeah sure. I could turn around and say that the SC430 has a nicely trimmed interior but it way to busy with all those constrasting colors and that ugly light-colored wood. With the black leather and dark wood, the SC's interior looks a lot better.

    M
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    I wanted light beige leather and the SC only offers yellowish wood with it.

    Of course, the light colour yellow "wood" clashes with the black steering wheel and dash and looks like cheap plastic. The "early 80s calculator style" grey low tech radio looks completely out of place in the theme. My favourite SC430 interior would be the dark wood with the light cream which does not exist.

    With the MB SL500, you can specify if you want the walnut or chestnut wood (dark or light) or black maple trim; with the SC430, you do not have a choice with the leather and trim combination.

    While styling is subjective, no way the interior of the SC430 is stylish or attractive in my opinion. I much rather have the 996's clean simple interior, the Lexus is just too gaudy in my taste.
  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    For $85k-95K, the Benz better offer every array under the sun, even colors that don't match! The new SL's interior is too similar to the $34k C-Class for my taste (and it even has the SAME headlights!). Sexy outside, chintzy inside......Mercedes is trying with the blue guages. Trying. Wonder where those came from? Very un-Mercedes-like.....
  • w210w210 Posts: 188
    The MSRP of the SL500 is around $85k. The $95k is the special edition which may not be the best value in my opinion.

    Still an expensive car, but you need to drive it to fully appreciate the car. The interior looks like the C-class? Must say I don't follow; different gauges altogether and definitely different headlights. The SL has full leather everywhere, COMAND navigation, etc. standard unlike the C. Blue gauges are quite effective under bright sunlight without the top. It's a break from the tradition, yet in a graceful manner, unlike the new BMW 7 series.

    If you want only the MB badge to impress the neighbor, go for the C-couple. And for showing off a MB convertible, I bet the SLK will be sufficient.

    But then, if you are a car enthusiast and will look beyond the superficial wood, leather and paint, you should test drive the car; what you are paying for is the superior handling, top of the class active (think active electronic brakes proportioning & active suspension) and passive safety - a most solid and technologically advanced convertible money can buy.
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    "The new SL's interior is too similar to the $34k C-Class for my taste (and it even has the SAME headlights!). Sexy outside, chintzy inside......"

    Clueless comments! Describe "chintzy inside"... If you are going to post something worth reading, at least offer an informed thought. Since the C-Class and SL have NOTHING in common other than the manufacturer, you may want to think about a more believable opinion.

    Nothing wrong with not liking a car, as we all gravitate toward certain qualities in an automobile... in much the same way that some people will gravitate toward a Rolex or a Seiko. The Seiko may actually keep better time, but that isn't the only criteria for people to buy this watch or that.

    BTW, many features found on today's leading edge brands have little to do with their historical past... can you say iDrive?
  • boo20boo20 Posts: 85
    Totally idioic, cluless comments coming from a Lexus shill.
  • ksurgksurg Posts: 48
    Has anyone really found a SL500 being sold at MRSP. Admittedly I've chosen to purchase a 911 C4S but when comparison shopping a month or so ago the dealers had people in line to purchase SL500's $20-40K above MRSP. Pretty steep for buying a car you've never driven and in some cases never seen. Talk about blind faith. I don't really want to get into an ethical discussion about "price gouging" but would like to point out that when comparing cars based on price you need to take "TMV " into consideration. I have yet to see this mentioned in the reviews of the SL500. IMHO it is definitely not worth $110-135K!
  • lovemyclklovemyclk Posts: 351
    I bought my CLK in the 1st year of introduction (1998) and was informed that MBUSA would not allow Dealers to charge over sticker. I was on a wait list for the 1st Black CLK sold by my Dealer and paid MSRP. I was offered $6K over sticker on the spot by an Auto Broker, who then wanted to sell at a greater premium. Dealers were doing the same... buying back at a premium, then reselling at inflated prices.

    Wondering if MBUSA is now employing a "hands-off" strategy with it's Dealers? Also, wondering if the new 2003 CLK will find itself in a similar position? I'd NEVER pay a dime over MSRP. Guess some Dealers believe price gouging is an endearing tactic to build brand loyalty!!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    There is really nothing MBUSA can do about dealers and price gouging. Thats exactly why it's call Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price. The key is finding a reputable dealer or waiting a year for the SL to cool off some.

    M
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,644
    Just don't anybody buy cars punched up way over MSRP and that practice will stop in about 6 weeks nationwide.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    Ready for this? I ordered my SL500 more than a year ago. I flew to the Frankfurt Auto show in September, 2001 to see the car. I picked up the car on my birthday in April in Europe. I received the car back from Europe three weeks ago. I have put about 1,000 miles on the car, half in Germany and half here. Now, I have decided to sell the car.

    Maybe my disappointment is a result of the fact that this was one of the first SL's produced. Even my dealer refers to me as a guinea pig. Here is my list of gripes: (1)The car is too heavy (we already all knew that). It really is not much fun to drive. I feel like I should color my hair silver just to drive it. (2) All the electronic gizmo's- the brakes, the engine management, the suspension- all conspire to make you feel like you are watching a video game of driving and not actually driving. When I open the car door or start the car, there is all this whirring of electronics distracting me from the basic FUN of driving. Sometimes these electronics fight with you, for example, the radio makes itself louder or softer depending on your speed, I find this very distracting. (3) The Brakes- I add this for emphasis, I cannot get used to these brakes, they have no traditional feel. Maybe my problem is that my other cars, a Porsche 911 and a BMW 540i, have such fantastic brakes, that the Mercedes seems detached by comparison. (4) Quality control- maybe it is my fault for being first on my block to get one, but there are a ton of rattles from the top, the dash and areas unknown behind the driver's seat. Now there is an SRS warning light that won't go off and the monitor that is supposed to report a problem says there is none, so why is the warning light on the dash still on? This car is very complicated, lots of electronics. If I am having problems so early into my ownership experience, what will it be like in three years?

    Before all the Lexus fans start piling on, remember that I was the guy who owned one of the first SC430 convertibles and hated that as well. Maybe I should stick to BMW's and Porsche's?
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